Kefka's laughing.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Paradoxy

I like the spirit though, you always find something to argue about and defend your favorite MMO. ;p

It's only gonna get even more fierce, prepare!

Keep it up... there is always one on every MMO forum. Atleast, you provide us some entertainment.

Regarding the news. Not surprised at all. B2P or F2P main point is that you don't have to pay any monthly fee but this will mostly help the existing loyal customers. Anyone who will buy this game  will still quit withing couple of weeks due to lack of content.

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Benthon

 About f*cking time. Maybe the game will actually start moving in the right direction now... I just got the email, and find it absolutely hilarious. Delayed payments indefinitely and a delayed PS3 version, yikes.

It was already, hopefully it will happen faster now.

 Your opinion. It needs to happen MUCH faster. :D

The reason the game launched in its current state is because they didn't spend enough time fine-tuning game systems, fixing issues and adding in core/basic content that should have been there in the first place.

The reason the game has been so horribly received and is getting the negative press and feedback it is, is because they got it out too quickly.

Some... many, actually... are already arguing it was rushed to market.

Are you now suggesting that they need to rush it further?

Seems to me that would only be adding fuel to the fire, would it not?

That said...

This is pretty huge. Tanaka stepping down needed to happen, in my opinion. If not for "public face", then for the fact that he just didn't seem to be "getting" it. There were decisions made for FFXIV's development that made no sense in any way.  Some were brought up in Beta and the response was basically "no no... we have great things planned for this system and it'll pan out fine. You'll see". 

Only it didn't, and now they're left apologizing for it.

Huge news to be sure and, to me, heartening as it shows they're quite serious about turning this game around.

The only thing I hope that doesn't include, is the game going F2P. I'll stick with SE through anything they need to do to get this game where it should be... But the moment they say it's going F2P with a Cash Shop... Personally, I'm gone.

Originally posted by Nikkita

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Paradoxy

I like the spirit though, you always find something to argue about and defend your favorite MMO. ;p

It's only gonna get even more fierce, prepare!

Keep it up... there is always one on every MMO forum. Atleast, you provide us some entertainment.

Regarding the news. Not surprised at all. B2P or F2P main point is that you don't have to pay any monthly fee but this will mostly help the existing loyal customers. Anyone who will buy this game  will still quit withing couple of weeks due to lack of content.

I quit after the first day.

Originally posted by Seffren

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Yeah its F2P for existing customers do i have to spell it out? Anyone who wants to buy it for them its B2P. I know the difference between F2P and B2P..CHAP!! doesn't change the fact that right now you don't have to pay a monthly fee for this mess.

Existing customers didn't have to buy the game? Awesome.

They already did that and their free 30 day time (which came alongwith the box) is long gone. yeah it is awesome.

I like the spirit though, you always find something to argue about and defend your favorite MMO. ;p

I think you missed his point. And yes your definition of FTP is wrong.

I get the point. My original statement was in regards with players like me who bought the CE editions. For us game wasn't sold as B2P. We have already used our free 30 days long ago. I wasn't trying to re define tha term F2P. I was  talking in terms of how its free on monthly basis.

Now they just need to look at what worked in FFXI and COPY it.  I don't care if it's old or not at least the game was deep and engrossing.  FFXIV needs to capture that same spirit and make we want to log in to play it.  Until they do that, I'll watch from the sidelines.

lol, I was just rushing here to post this news.

Apparently the early bird does get the worm!

It's interestng news and of course speaks to the fact that making these changes is going to take longer which makes sense. Keeping any players playing would be a top priority.

What a shame it takes this.

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Seffren

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Yeah its F2P for existing customers do i have to spell it out? Anyone who wants to buy it for them its B2P. I know the difference between F2P and B2P..CHAP!! doesn't change the fact that right now you don't have to pay a monthly fee for this mess.

Existing customers didn't have to buy the game? Awesome.

They already did that and their free 30 day time (which came alongwith the box) is long gone. yeah it is awesome.

I like the spirit though, you always find something to argue about and defend your favorite MMO. ;p

I think you missed his point. And yes your definition of FTP is wrong.

I get the point. My original statement was in regards with players like me who bought the CE editions. For us game wasn't sold as B2P. We have already used our free 30 days long ago. I wasn't trying to re define tha term F2P. I was  talking in terms of how its free on monthly basis.

 I got the CE Too!!

*HIGH FIVE*

Love my Tumbler :)

Aye I used my 30 days too, TBH i am glad ti is still Sub free as I proposed to my GirlFriend during September and since then have not really had time to devote to this game :(

I am taking it slowly and waiting to see what changes occur, what plans the new team come up with, how quickly they get a roadmap together for us.

After all if (once Subscriptions resume) the game is still not that good then I am only down my Box Fee rather than X amount fo months sub fees on top of the Box Fee

Originally posted by elocke

Now they just need to look at what worked in FFXI and COPY it.  I don't care if it's old or not at least the game was deep and engrossing.  FFXIV needs to capture that same spirit and make we want to log in to play it.  Until they do that, I'll watch from the sidelines.

Ayep.

Had a great discusion with some ls-mates on Ventrilo about this last night.

After 7+ years, they got various systems in XI to work great. Yes, there were imperfections and yes they could have used improvement at the concept level to make them work even better... Enter FFXIV, where they could have done just that.

Of course, they did what SE always seems to do, and went off in completely different tangents.

I don't blame them for wanting to do something different (I mean, isn't that what many people argue they want to see more of in the MMO space anyway?). But they went off in the wrong directions, in areas they didn't need to and, I'd argue, shouldn't have.

But... All water under the bridge now isn't it?

Now it's all about what they can do to turn it around.

Shall be interesting.

Bold and interesting move. I commend the open statement of their failure. Hopefully my $50 purchase of the game helps them keep things going to improve but making this game have no sub in no way is enticing me to play ever again. The game is poorly designed at the very heart of the game. Vanguard is a great game at it's core and ideas, but it failed terribly in polish. This game failed in all categories and I am very skeptical this game will ever turn around. It's not 2004, no speculation that this game can turn around like FFXI is valid. There are WAY too many games on the market now and even WoW's new expansion is stellar, there is a very small chance this game will make it.

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Benthon

 About f*cking time. Maybe the game will actually start moving in the right direction now... I just got the email, and find it absolutely hilarious. Delayed payments indefinitely and a delayed PS3 version, yikes.

It was already, hopefully it will happen faster now.

 Your opinion. It needs to happen MUCH faster. :D

Rushing will only lead to disaster and shittiness, theres no monthly fee until its in a state of awesomeness, ao they should take their sweet time and make sure to get it just right.

 If they take their sweet time, GW2, SWTOR, RIFT and TERA will also be options. They need a quality speed type thing, which I meant but you didn't catch.

Nor did I. I suspect others who read that remark didn't get that from it either.

Why? Because there was nothing said in that entire series of quotes leading up to your remark about "competing MMOs" and, well... we're not mind readers. At least I'm not.

Old-fashioned 'Impatience' is another reason people might want to see things go more quickly.

Originally posted by theartist

So someone took the fall for a whole lot of bad choices.

Good on him.

I wonder if he got bumped down to making those Square PSP remakes? Or forced to commit seppuku? Now just another year and it'll be playable.

Well.. Tanaka was the game's producer. It did basically fall on him, regardless.

Originally posted by Cereo

Bold and interesting move. I commend the open statement of their failure. Hopefully my $50 purchase of the game helps them keep things going to improve but making this game have no sub in no way is enticing me to play ever again. The game is poorly designed at the very heart of the game. Vanguard is a great game at it's core and ideas, but it failed terribly in polish. This game failed in all categories and I am very skeptical this game will ever turn around. It's not 2004, no speculation that this game can turn around like FFXI is valid. There are WAY too many games on the market now and even WoW's new expansion is stellar, there is a very small chance this game will make it.

They just need to make it better than XI, which is no hard task at this point. That game is great, but not new player friendly, nor has the appeal of a new game.

Originally posted by Zarkanar

It's too late, this game is dead and buried as far as MMORPGs go. It will never achieve the success of its predecessor and will never catch up to the next-gen titles that will dwarf this game. I'm not sure how bad it's doing in Japan, but if it's as bad as it's doing in America, it seems dead already.

Originally posted by Obidom

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Seffren

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Yeah its F2P for existing customers do i have to spell it out? Anyone who wants to buy it for them its B2P. I know the difference between F2P and B2P..CHAP!! doesn't change the fact that right now you don't have to pay a monthly fee for this mess.

Existing customers didn't have to buy the game? Awesome.

They already did that and their free 30 day time (which came alongwith the box) is long gone. yeah it is awesome.

I like the spirit though, you always find something to argue about and defend your favorite MMO. ;p

I think you missed his point. And yes your definition of FTP is wrong.

I get the point. My original statement was in regards with players like me who bought the CE editions. For us game wasn't sold as B2P. We have already used our free 30 days long ago. I wasn't trying to re define tha term F2P. I was  talking in terms of how its free on monthly basis.

 I got the CE Too!!

*HIGH FIVE*

Love my Tumbler :)

Aye I used my 30 days too, TBH i am glad ti is still Sub free as I proposed to my GirlFriend during September and since then have not really had time to devote to this game :(

I am taking it slowly and waiting to see what changes occur, what plans the new team come up with, how quickly they get a roadmap together for us.

After all if (once Subscriptions resume) the game is still not that good then I am only down my Box Fee rather than X amount fo months sub fees on top of the Box Fee

Pictures or it didn't happen!

Just kidding ... If I'm reading this right gratulations are in order.

Originally posted by Obidom

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Seffren

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Paradoxy

Yeah its F2P for existing customers do i have to spell it out? Anyone who wants to buy it for them its B2P. I know the difference between F2P and B2P..CHAP!! doesn't change the fact that right now you don't have to pay a monthly fee for this mess.

Existing customers didn't have to buy the game? Awesome.

They already did that and their free 30 day time (which came alongwith the box) is long gone. yeah it is awesome.

I like the spirit though, you always find something to argue about and defend your favorite MMO. ;p

I think you missed his point. And yes your definition of FTP is wrong.

I get the point. My original statement was in regards with players like me who bought the CE editions. For us game wasn't sold as B2P. We have already used our free 30 days long ago. I wasn't trying to re define tha term F2P. I was  talking in terms of how its free on monthly basis.

 I got the CE Too!!

*HIGH FIVE*

Love my Tumbler :)

Aye I used my 30 days too, TBH i am glad ti is still Sub free as I proposed to my GirlFriend during September and since then have not really had time to devote to this game :(

I am taking it slowly and waiting to see what changes occur, what plans the new team come up with, how quickly they get a roadmap together for us.

After all if (once Subscriptions resume) the game is still not that good then I am only down my Box Fee rather than X amount fo months sub fees on top of the Box Fee

*High Five*

I use tumbler as pen stand and use the nice map for cleaning my PC screen. Haha, what waste of 70 bucks really.  Could have bought myself an awesome pair of nike shoes.

Anyways, i agree if game turns around which is not going to happen anytime sooner, it is going to be tough to move from B2P to monthly fee. people are going to get used to no monthly fee thing. And if they started charging monthly fee now, they will lose whatever players are left in game. Its like a double edge sword.

Originally posted by Nekrataal

At least they have honor in defeat... Not charging a dime for this mess was the only thing to do for it to have any chance of coming back one day. Great news!

Now, I didn't see anywhere that they were going to scrap the leves system... thats where they need to start imo.

Unless thats what they mean by " addressing these issues will call for a reworking of game elements."

Tbh though, they will have to pull a miracle out of thin air to bring this game back to compete with the 2011 heavy hitters.

GL Naoki Yoshida... you'll need it.

Not even getting rid of them, in my opinion.

I think the concept is great, and carries several other aspects of the game.

I think they just need to make them more interesting. They have this great Assault system in FFXI that has a variety of different tasks that are - in large part - quite interesting, fun, challenging and very few of which entail "killing x of y". Those kinds of scenarios will lend themselves beautifully to something like the leve system. They're very similar in their basic concept. Time-limited tasks to be carried out, with difficulty selection and varying group sizes that have a reward proportionate to the difficulty of the task and the number of people participating.

They just need a bit more imagination with them.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by hehey

Originally posted by Benthon

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Benthon

 About f*cking time. Maybe the game will actually start moving in the right direction now... I just got the email, and find it absolutely hilarious. Delayed payments indefinitely and a delayed PS3 version, yikes.

It was already, hopefully it will happen faster now.

 Your opinion. It needs to happen MUCH faster. :D

Rushing will only lead to disaster and shittiness, theres no monthly fee until its in a state of awesomeness, ao they should take their sweet time and make sure to get it just right.

 If they take their sweet time, GW2, SWTOR, RIFT and TERA will also be options. They need a quality speed type thing, which I meant but you didn't catch.

Nor did I. I suspect others who read that remark didn't get that from it either.

Why? Because there was nothing said in that entire series of quotes leading up to your remark about "competing MMOs" and, well... we're not mind readers. At least I'm not.

Old-fashioned 'Impatience' is another reason people might want to see things go more quickly.

 

No but it is almost common knowledge at this point that FFXIV was released in the state it is now to avoid direct competition with Cataclysm, Rift, Tera, SWTOR, or GW2.. I think they will already have a tough time a head of them as it is even without having to worry about competition with the other AAA MMORPG's on the horizon.

1) Square Enix has taken some hits on the market and dosn't nearly have as much money to throw into developement as it did years back.. I'am sure they can find some investors for this game, but not many.

2) they are no longer collecting subs for the game.. and honestly im sure there wern't much to begin with.. Once again a money issue.

3)Alot of the team for FFXIV has been replaced.. Even the new leader producer said this unfimilar grounds for him

4)Lack of money and a new team working on this game = slow development on patches = direct competition with AAA MMORPG's (already competeing with cataclysm.)

Originally posted by Shoju

Originally posted by khameleon

I believe the games about to come out in 2011 will just be so far ahead of FFXIV that there will be no point to play FFXIV unless it goes totally F2P.

And this is going to be the tricky part for Square Enix.  How do you convince or justify to your players (who have been playing a 'free' game for 3-6 months or how ever long it takes) that it is now worth paying for?

A number of people have been saying that from the start; that they'll pay a subscription when SE gets the game where it should be.

And... enough word of mouth can do some good as well. If people - particularly those who have been especially critical of the game - come around and say "you know... I think they've finally gotten XIV to the status of a MMO worth a subscription".. there *are* people who will be influenced by it.

Will it be like "omg overnight explosion and XIV's population soars into the millions"? Nope.

I don't think their population will ever soar even to 1 million at this point. That time is past.. unless they do some *major* revamping that really blows people's socks off.

However, if they can get the population back to a steady 400 or 500k... that would be fine for them, once they get out of the red with the game and start turning profit. For example, FFXI has been a cash cow for them for years now.

Originally posted by elocke

Now they just need to look at what worked in FFXI and COPY it.  I don't care if it's old or not at least the game was deep and engrossing.  FFXIV needs to capture that same spirit and make we want to log in to play it.  Until they do that, I'll watch from the sidelines.

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