Network Sites: FPSguru.com RTSguru.com UnboundGamer.com
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Games:611  Guilds:3,079
Members:1,592,618  Online:0
Guests:0  Posts:4,845,701
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkfall Darkwind: War on Wheels Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Desert Operations Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eden Eternal Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elf Online Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire & State Empire Craft EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forsaken World Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Grand Chase Europe Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall Habbo Hotel Haven & Hearth Hedone Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero 108: Online Hero Online Hero's Journey HeroSmash Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Holic Online Hostile Space Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Infinity Infinity Iris Online Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia Online
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris Terra World Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Elder Scrolls Online The Legend of Ares The Matrix Online The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems There Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Toontown Online Top Speed Torchlight Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War U.B. Funkeys UFO Online Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Valkyrie Sky Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos Voyage Century W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WYD Global Wakfu War Rock War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warrior Epic WebLords Wild West Online WildStar WindSlayer 2 Wish Wizard 101 Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World War II Online World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Tanks World of Warcraft World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xiah Xsyon YS Online ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

General Discussion

General Discussion 

Hardware  » Help! My HMDI picture is horrible compared to DVI on my monitor

11 posts found
  jpnole

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/13/10
Posts: 1366

 
12/05/10 11:16:57 PM#1

I am running a Gigabyte 6850 to a 24" Samsung P2450H 1920x1080. I have the latest drivers installed to include the ATI CCC. There is just an overall washed out, fuzziness and lack of quality to the monitor when an HDMI cable is used. When I use a DVI cable everything is perect and beautiful. I thought HDMI was supposed to be better than DVI. I have searched forum after forum and can't find a solution and many others are also having this problem.

I've tried:

  • Calibrated the monitor with Samsung Magic Tune
  • Switching out another HDMI cable
  • adjusting the scaling slider in CCC (all this does is shrink or enlarge the picture to fit the monitor)
  • adjusting any other settings I could find in CCC and then reverted to default when they failed to work
 
I have my desktop resolution at 1920x1080 and refresh is set to max at 60Hz. Can anyone help me out? Should I return the monitor for another brand? My computer specs are in my sig.
 
Thanks everybody

Playing: Diablo 3, Tribes Ascend, Skyrim

Disappointed by open beta feedback: GW2
Waiting for: TSW

Let's be honest, the only people who are bothered by DRM are pirates. Companies have a right to protect their IP.

  neorandom

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/15/08
Posts: 1552

12/05/10 11:19:37 PM#2

hdmi cables are just smaller then dvi, knowing ati its a catalyst issue and will likely never be fixed.

 

doesnt sound like the monitor is broken, since it works great on dvi according to you yourself

 

ps hdmi cables support resolutions of 1920 1080

 

dvi cables support over 2500 2500 on a big enough screen with a strong enough graphics card driving it

  Admin

Administrator

Joined: 1/29/02
Posts: 4745

Gaming is life...

12/05/10 11:25:44 PM#3

While this won't help you use HDMI - I cannot see the advantage of DVI versus HDMI.  Both formats utilize a purely digital signal with no loss.

If you really want to use HDMI you would need to isolate the culprit.  This would require a second monitor or TV that can accept HDMI (and preferably DVI as well) to see if it is fuzzy on that display as well.  If so then you can pinpoint the video card as the culprit, otherwise it might just be the way your display outputs an HDMI signal.

The really cool thing about HDMI is its ability to carry an audio signal along with the video.  While this is wonderful in the home theater world it likely has no current benefit in the PC world, until perhaps your video card can pass that signal along, and even then it would only help if your display had built in speakers, etc.

I would do more reasearch on the benefits to running HDMI on your PC versus DVI - I am betting in terms of picture quality there is no difference at all.

- MMORPG.COM Staff -

  Komah

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/31/08
Posts: 25

12/05/10 11:27:40 PM#4

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html

 

Read that, it'll explain the whole DVI vs HDMI thing.

 

TLDR; The only major difference between DVI and  HDMI cables is that HDMI cables carry an audio signal on top of a video signal. Personally, I've found that when it comes to computer monitors you're better off using a DVI cable and if you're using a TV monitor you're better off using an HDMI cable.

 

 

Edit: An admin could also beat me to it >.>

  Mehve

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 489

12/05/10 11:30:33 PM#5

Strange, because DVI and HDMI share common digital pins for the image. Not familiar with the monitor, but are there any built-in options for scaling? 1080P televisions often have something of the sort, and you generally want them disabled entirely when using them as a computer monitor, since they can notiably wreck the image quality.

A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.

  jpnole

Apprentice Member

Joined: 2/13/10
Posts: 1366

 
12/05/10 11:32:53 PM#6

Wait I found the answer here!!!:

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/281389-33-cant-1080p-resolution-samsung-p2450h

 

Apparently my monitor has two settings: AV mode and PC mode. It was on AV mode. Upon switching it to PC mode all is good!

Really there isn't any noticeable improvement over DVI, about equal as far as I can tell.

Thank you all for the quick responses! (man I feel dumb)

Playing: Diablo 3, Tribes Ascend, Skyrim

Disappointed by open beta feedback: GW2
Waiting for: TSW

Let's be honest, the only people who are bothered by DRM are pirates. Companies have a right to protect their IP.

  neorandom

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/15/08
Posts: 1552

12/05/10 11:35:33 PM#7

o ya forgot to ask you if it was a tv with av/pc mode options, you said monitor so i figured it was made purely for pc!

  Quizzical

Guide

Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 7323

12/05/10 11:37:04 PM#8
Originally posted by jpnole

I am running a Gigabyte 6850 to a 24" Samsung P2450H 1920x1080. I have the latest drivers installed to include the ATI CCC. There is just an overall washed out, fuzziness and lack of quality to the monitor when an HDMI cable is used. When I use a DVI cable everything is perect and beautiful. I thought HDMI was supposed to be better than DVI. I have searched forum after forum and can't find a solution and many others are also having this problem.

If it works with a DVI cable, then use a DVI cable.  HDMI isn't better than DVI; the only real advantage of HDMI is that the standard includes a way to send audio as well as video.  If you don't need that, then I'd use DVI just so that the cable can't come loose.  HDMI is mainly for televisions, which really do need audio.  Both formats are in the process of being phased out in favor of DisplayPort, but that could take a while to become the standard.  AMD, Apple, and Dell are the main advocates of DisplayPort.

With any digital type of cable, the card computes some picture, it goes through the cable and arrives at the monitor exactly as the card computed it, and then the monitor displays the computer as close as it can to the data it was sent.  Slight distortions are generally the fault of the monitor, but that shouldn't vary by whether it's an HDMI cable or a DVI cable.

Big distortions could be the fault of defective hardware on either end.  It could also be a driver issue, as you're still using very early drivers.  That's a problem inherent to buying a card of a new architecture right after it comes out.  Make sure you get Catalyst 10.12 when it releases later this month (any day now), as that's the first drivers for your card that have a chance of being mature.

  Cleffy

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/09/04
Posts: 4779

12/06/10 12:57:27 PM#9

HDMI is compressed, DVI is uncompressed and has a larger bandwidth.  Use DVI or DisplayPort if at all possible.

The issue with HDMI before is that for Audio it needs a special method with Windows Vista.  This was fixed by ATI in 2006, and nVidia just recently.  If everything is setup properly with the monitor, it should display correctly.

BTW, everyone but Monitor Panel makers advocate for Display Port.  The big reason is the lack of a licensing fee and the superior bandwidth.  Without Samsung and LG onboard, its not going to take off at all.  Luckily LG is starting to use DisplayPort, so Samsung has to follow suite.

  cichy1012

Novice Member

Joined: 9/30/04
Posts: 214

12/06/10 6:29:45 PM#10
Originally posted by Cleffy

HDMI is compressed, DVI is uncompressed and has a larger bandwidth.  Use DVI or DisplayPort if at all possible.

The issue with HDMI before is that for Audio it needs a special method with Windows Vista.  This was fixed by ATI in 2006, and nVidia just recently.  If everything is setup properly with the monitor, it should display correctly.

BTW, everyone but Monitor Panel makers advocate for Display Port.  The big reason is the lack of a licensing fee and the superior bandwidth.  Without Samsung and LG onboard, its not going to take off at all.  Luckily LG is starting to use DisplayPort, so Samsung has to follow suite.

 what about a monitor thats hdmi only.

I have a HDMI cable from monitor to graphics card

I also have one thats HDMI from monitor that converts to DVI to the graphics?

 

Which one should I use?

  chrisleko

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 199

12/06/10 6:36:22 PM#11
Originally posted by Cleffy

HDMI is compressed, DVI is uncompressed and has a larger bandwidth.  Use DVI or DisplayPort if at all possible.

The issue with HDMI before is that for Audio it needs a special method with Windows Vista.  This was fixed by ATI in 2006, and nVidia just recently.  If everything is setup properly with the monitor, it should display correctly.

BTW, everyone but Monitor Panel makers advocate for Display Port.  The big reason is the lack of a licensing fee and the superior bandwidth.  Without Samsung and LG onboard, its not going to take off at all.  Luckily LG is starting to use DisplayPort, so Samsung has to follow suite.

HDMI is not compressed, it's pure digital data.