Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Goldendog!!! I think I remember you from the L2 boards!

I also play LOTRO now as my mmo and I just don't like the AH. It makes the places like Bree seem dead.

Giran in L2 was one of the best cities.

Yep, one and the same.  I used to write those stories with Captain Flash, St. Thomas, Sir Elhoir, Whiteleaf, and Kyra (I can't remember how to spell her name... the wolf girl from Hawaii...)

I thought I had spun you into one of those yarns (The color of her panties) although it was quite awhile ago...  I recognize that same avatar of yours.  It's the same one you've used since 2004!  You used to write music and played a dark-elf nuker if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by GoldenDog

Originally posted by Sovrath

 

Goldendog!!! I think I remember you from the L2 boards!

I also play LOTRO now as my mmo and I just don't like the AH. It makes the places like Bree seem dead.

Giran in L2 was one of the best cities.

 

 

Yep, one and the same.  I used to write those stories with Captain Flash, St. Thomas, Sir Elhoir, Whiteleaf, and Kyra (I can't remember how to spell her name... the wolf girl from Hawaii...)

 

I thought I had spun you into one of those yarns (The color of her panties) although it was quite awhile ago...  I recognize that same avatar of yours.  It's the same one you've used since 2004!  You used to write music and played a dark-elf nuker if I'm not mistaken.

Bingo!

Looking to see if Aion can bring back that ol' nuker feeling.

Originally posted by alin1209

What is the porpuse of this thread?How can the Op asck for himself this question i have played Shaya and i have ben folowed Aion since forever now:P and this thing Shaya vs Aion is retard.First how can u compare Shaya a ftp game with a low budget with a colosos like Aion...I dont eaven bother see futher in this thred,waste of time or bether i sence trols in this thread.

First, i feel insulted when you say "retard". Saying that Shaiya is low budget, that is a mistake and prove you didn't passed lvl 30 or so on normal mode. The owner gain millions of dollars by year with this game and you say is low budget?

Anyway, for sensible persons like you i added the second part: F2P vs P2P.

I really felt bad after i read your reply.

Can i ask you to be more constructive? Not only throwing with mud on the others?

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by stayontarget

you could be right, but I hope not because I hate those dam shops.

Seriously. I hope they're cut entirely from the NA version. I see them serving no purpose with an AH.

 

An aspect that player shops offer that an AH does not is the ability for players to be a bit entrepreneurial. As an example, one could do some research and set up a private store with potions at a hub location next to a heavily trafficked PvE or PvP area.

I was actually in the COB and saw an excellent example of this, right next to the quest giver in the Library there was a personal shop selling the Lephartist symbols for 3k.  I thought it was a great move, the quest gives 4100 as a reward so anyone could just buy one and complete the quest and make 1100 profit without having to head all the way back to that damn farm and grind to find one.  If it hadn't ended I was thinking of doing the same with the Drukal symbols... but it took for &*&%ing ever to find the 2 I got.

I may try it for NA if they are still in game.

Originally posted by beauxaj

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by stayontarget

you could be right, but I hope not because I hate those dam shops.

Seriously. I hope they're cut entirely from the NA version. I see them serving no purpose with an AH.

 

An aspect that player shops offer that an AH does not is the ability for players to be a bit entrepreneurial. As an example, one could do some research and set up a private store with potions at a hub location next to a heavily trafficked PvE or PvP area.

I was actually in the COB and saw an excellent example of this, right next to the quest giver in the Library there was a personal shop selling the Lephartist symbols for 3k.  I thought it was a great move, the quest gives 4100 as a reward so anyone could just buy one and complete the quest and make 1100 profit without having to head all the way back to that damn farm and grind to find one.  If it hadn't ended I was thinking of doing the same with the Drukal symbols... but it took for &*&%ing ever to find the 2 I got.

I may try it for NA if they are still in game.

And that's the power of the player shop!

In L2, people would set up shops in Cruma with slightly overpriced shots (which make one's attacks more powerful each time one uses them).

So, a player could go all the way back to town or they could take advantage of the convenience of a shop.

Same thing with the no grade shots. One could buy them in noob towns but sometimes players were still using no grade weapons by the time they hit gludio.

So players would purchase as many as they could carry and run from, say... dark elf village, to gludio to sell and make 1 or 2 adena more for each one.

Originally posted by Ayase

Originally posted by Synthetick

Originally posted by stayontarget

you could be right, but I hope not because I hate those dam shops.

Seriously. I hope they're cut entirely from the NA version. I see them serving no purpose with an AH.

 

An aspect that player shops offer that an AH does not is the ability for players to be a bit entrepreneurial. As an example, one could do some research and set up a private store with potions at a hub location next to a heavily trafficked PvE or PvP area.

In my humble opinion, the only MMO to get player vendors done the right way was Ultima Online... You purchased NPC vendor contracts and had to set them up on your housing, or guild housing, or friended housing. You had to pay the NPC to keep him working for you, and you stocked his inventory how you see fit... I haven't seen it done any better in any other MMO I've tried.
 

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Originally posted by kattay

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Originally posted by alin1209

What is the porpuse of this thread?How can the Op asck for himself this question i have played Shaya and i have ben folowed Aion since forever now:P and this thing Shaya vs Aion is retard.First how can u compare Shaya a ftp game with a low budget with a colosos like Aion...I dont eaven bother see futher in this thred,waste of time or bether i sence trols in this thread.

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First, i feel insulted when you say "retard". Saying that Shaiya is low budget, that is a mistake and prove you didn't passed lvl 30 or so on normal mode. The owner gain millions of dollars by year with this game and you say is low budget?
Anyway, for sensible persons like you i added the second part: F2P vs P2P.
I really felt bad after i read your reply.
Can i ask you to be more constructive? Not only throwing with mud on the others?
 

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as a fellow L2 vet (left in C3) I agree with Sovrath.

Every time i ran through a city i had to stop by the market.  back in the early days, that meant every time i ran through gludio or dion.  every time i went back to giran i checked all the shops there.  it was exciting, to see what was up for sale.

also, both buy and sell stores.  similar to how EVE has buy and sell orders, you can put up private shops to buy or sell items, not just sell.  I love this.  this makes things eaiser for sellers sometimes.  instead of setting up your own shop, you find some buyer offering a decent price and unload your goods.

AHs are nice, but i prefer private stores, and having both would be even better (though i doubt i'll be using the AH, i just enjoy "browsing" private stores too much)

Originally posted by alin1209

 

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U realy make me bother to get back to you on this replay.Ok now i have played assasin on Shaya on normal mode till max lv(50 if i remember corectly) to be able to unlock hard mode and i have knothice few things, assasins r pimped insane i have won all pvp 1 vs 1 with any class and not becouse i was good 3 skils to use finishing with stun and u as an adversary wont be able to do nothing and i talck about any class i have evean win against players in hardmode with my normal mode assasin and that is balance?Than i start again assasin in hardmode what?is not grind? it make L2 a kid it was take me days to get lv 15 or 20 i dont remember and i was playng 6 to 8 hours a day.Casters being moust retard clases being intrerupt from casting at any hit soo cast run cast run lol...why i buther explaining this?And i dont whant to talck about graphic comparing to Aion and crafting is usles in Shaya and item shop overpower shop junkyes and we still have a chalange? Aion vs Shaya? than i am sory to desapoint but it is realy a waste of time this comparation and for my curiosity what uther games have u play before?to eaven think to a comparation like this?
Have fun playng what u like but having this discution about this subjuct is indeed retard.

 

Yea, is it obvious you never played Shaiya or you played until lvl 20 or so... PLease keep your BS for you, no need to spread it all over the forum.

Just for your knowledge, max lvl is 60, not 50 as you said (1st proof you speak BS). Then another BS is saying you can defeat a hard mode player (you make me laugh). All you've done was to read a bit the forum and that's all.

Last thing: how the heck you reached lvl 50 in normal mode in 2-3 days? I suggest you to read a bit more before posting all your crap.

Now get lost...

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Originally posted by kattay

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Originally posted by alin1209

 

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U realy make me bother to get back to you on this replay.Ok now i have played assasin on Shaya on normal mode till max lv(50 if i remember corectly) to be able to unlock hard mode and i have knothice few things, assasins r pimped insane i have won all pvp 1 vs 1 with any class and not becouse i was good 3 skils to use finishing with stun and u as an adversary wont be able to do nothing and i talck about any class i have evean win against players in hardmode with my normal mode assasin and that is balance?Than i start again assasin in hardmode what?is not grind? it make L2 a kid it was take me days to get lv 15 or 20 i dont remember and i was playng 6 to 8 hours a day.Casters being moust retard clases being intrerupt from casting at any hit soo cast run cast run lol...why i buther explaining this?And i dont whant to talck about graphic comparing to Aion and crafting is usles in Shaya and item shop overpower shop junkyes and we still have a chalange? Aion vs Shaya? than i am sory to desapoint but it is realy a waste of time this comparation and for my curiosity what uther games have u play before?to eaven think to a comparation like this?
Have fun playng what u like but having this discution about this subjuct is indeed retard.
 

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Yea, is it obvious you never played Shaiya or you played until lvl 20 or so... PLease keep your BS for you, no need to spread it all over the forum.
Just for your knowledge, max lvl is 60, not 50 as you said (1st proof you speak BS). Then another BS is saying you can defeat a hard mode player (you make me laugh). All you've done was to read a bit the forum and that's all.
Last thing: how the heck you reached lvl 50 in normal mode in 2-3 days? I suggest you to read a bit more before posting all your crap.
Now get lost...

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Originally posted by alin1209

 

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Originally posted by kattay

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Originally posted by alin1209

 

 

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U realy make me bother to get back to you on this replay.Ok now i have played assasin on Shaya on normal mode till max lv(50 if i remember corectly) to be able to unlock hard mode and i have knothice few things, assasins r pimped insane i have won all pvp 1 vs 1 with any class and not becouse i was good 3 skils to use finishing with stun and u as an adversary wont be able to do nothing and i talck about any class i have evean win against players in hardmode with my normal mode assasin and that is balance?Than i start again assasin in hardmode what?is not grind? it make L2 a kid it was take me days to get lv 15 or 20 i dont remember and i was playng 6 to 8 hours a day.Casters being moust retard clases being intrerupt from casting at any hit soo cast run cast run lol...why i buther explaining this?And i dont whant to talck about graphic comparing to Aion and crafting is usles in Shaya and item shop overpower shop junkyes and we still have a chalange? Aion vs Shaya? than i am sory to desapoint but it is realy a waste of time this comparation and for my curiosity what uther games have u play before?to eaven think to a comparation like this?
Have fun playng what u like but having this discution about this subjuct is indeed retard.
 

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Yea, is it obvious you never played Shaiya or you played until lvl 20 or so... PLease keep your BS for you, no need to spread it all over the forum.
Just for your knowledge, max lvl is 60, not 50 as you said (1st proof you speak BS). Then another BS is saying you can defeat a hard mode player (you make me laugh). All you've done was to read a bit the forum and that's all.
Last thing: how the heck you reached lvl 50 in normal mode in 2-3 days? I suggest you to read a bit more before posting all your crap.
Now get lost...

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Now u make me a lier...at the time i play i belive was max 50 maibe was 60 did not remember corectly but u indeed make me reisnstal it and show u what i got...lol and kik your ass with any clas u have with my assasin.But why bother...waste of time.

 

actually alin has some truth in his words, for 1vs1 battle even nm ranger rock every hm ans nm class .... EXCEPT ones with extra skills .. or .... lol, rec ones .. :)

i had a battle on my hm 45 lvl defender(nothing except rec) against nm 50 lvl ranger .... i was biting him step by step, and when i was low on hp all i needed is to step back for few seconds and regen tons of hp ... and keep biting him again :)

but when in te middle of our long battle we lost bless .... i died, lol

problem about you, alin, you havent met much skilled players, for example mages could root you, trow few spikes, and go instant spells, while keep running back ... and you are gone ...

and in case of hm/um players it's all about gear, a bit abotut natural stats and pvp stats, but mostly about gear ... 

but once again .... in borderlands yuo rarely get 1vs1 fights .. and there comes teamwork, big parties, fun, sometimes defeat and runs for revenge ....

shiya got a lot of flaws, but it has positive sides as well. that's reason why many peoples keep laying it for nearly year ... and many quit ofc.

and realy main advantage of shaiya ... it's f2p system, when you have change to play it if you dont have what to pay(often such peopes has a lot of tme, and end up to be good players as well) or dont have ways to buy time cards even having money (exotic cards, weird money system, political limitation..)...

shaiya is community type game, and it's quite good ... but often peoples seec for mroe content ... and they they seek for new game or community ....

actually i was screaming out my wares and got told to shut up on more then one occasion. more importanlty though the amount of shops bunched up in one area like the crafting area in sanctum you had to scream out your wares to even be noticed. i was more bothered by the gold sellers setting up thier afk shops and dont even have anything for sale  but a website but then setting up shop near that may or may not have had or have a impact on sales out of said shop,

 I don't understand why we are even comparing these games.  One is a lame F2p RMT model with a low production value, the other is a highly polished subscription model with a high production value.  You might as well compare raw ground beef to caviar.

The question you need to ask yourself, is why do these F2P RMT models have such low production values?  They make tons of money off their players, perhaps more per player than a subscription game.  Yet they lean on their F2P model as an excuse to produce games that are subpar in comparison to subscription models.

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Zyllos

Sorry...coming from EQ, I think the player-shops are way better (never liked AH...its like as if you sold your item to a vendor which sells the item on a market *think Wal-Mart* then gives you a cut of the profit when sold). Sorry...but even if they are AFK, I still like to deal with the players directly...

I, like many people, have my computer in my room so leaving it on all night is not on option.  Plus, when you have a 1000w power supply that is a lot of extra cash added to the power bill with it running just to sell items in a game.

Hmm... any reason in particular you can't leave it on? Not picking on  you, just curious. My PC's in my room and I leave it on all night all the time. Just turn off the monitor and mute the sound (if I'm logged into a game, or have any other random noise-makers on the PC)

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Zyllos

Sorry...coming from EQ, I think the player-shops are way better (never liked AH...its like as if you sold your item to a vendor which sells the item on a market *think Wal-Mart* then gives you a cut of the profit when sold). Sorry...but even if they are AFK, I still like to deal with the players directly...

I, like many people, have my computer in my room so leaving it on all night is not on option.  Plus, when you have a 1000w power supply that is a lot of extra cash added to the power bill with it running just to sell items in a game.

Hmm... any reason in particular you can't leave it on? Not picking on  you, just curious. My PC's in my room and I leave it on all night all the time. Just turn off the monitor and mute the sound (if I'm logged into a game, or have any other random noise-makers on the PC)

 

Well, the fan noise or the lights could be distracting. Also, if he is married or has a partner then the significant other might also be bothered by the noise.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Zyllos

Sorry...coming from EQ, I think the player-shops are way better (never liked AH...its like as if you sold your item to a vendor which sells the item on a market *think Wal-Mart* then gives you a cut of the profit when sold). Sorry...but even if they are AFK, I still like to deal with the players directly...

I, like many people, have my computer in my room so leaving it on all night is not on option.  Plus, when you have a 1000w power supply that is a lot of extra cash added to the power bill with it running just to sell items in a game.

Hmm... any reason in particular you can't leave it on? Not picking on  you, just curious. My PC's in my room and I leave it on all night all the time. Just turn off the monitor and mute the sound (if I'm logged into a game, or have any other random noise-makers on the PC)

 

 

Well, the fan noise or the lights could be distracting. Also, if he is married or has a partner then the significant other might also be bothered by the noise.

 

Could see that, I suppose. My current PC is extremely quiet, but my old one sounded like an airplane on takeoff when it was running.

this is not true. i can keep up with the game without buying ANYTHING.