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  choujiofkono

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12/01/10 4:42:17 PM#81
Originally posted by Lahuzer

Sifting through community posts would tell a different story at times but I think people are not really taking the game in the spirit of how it is meant".

Amen.

       >>>>>  LoL @ You're doing it wrong

     I have not played the game and have no opinion on it personally but this excuse used by perma-fans, particularly people that are supposed to be professionals, is insane. 

     There is no right or wrong in player perception.  Reality is reality.  If the majority of players say the game is broken, buggy, and the developer is not trustworthy or follows through with anything he says then that is the reality.  You can sprinkle sugar all over it and it won't change the facts no matter how much you hold your breath or squint your eyes. 

    The intelligent way to defend a game is to debate the critics rationally and provide your own counter-proof to prove your point.  That is not being done.  Fans agree with critics but "like" the game anyway for reasons that are usually not provable with data from reality. 

   It's a seriously disturbing trend that points to the industry itself contributing to players purchasing every game from the genre they like just to find out if it's worth spending money on or not. 

"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"

  ange10

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Joined: 10/20/08
Posts: 340

12/01/10 4:47:50 PM#82

You know what makes most of these negative comments pointless is that..........

Mortal online can only get better.

  linksalu

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Joined: 6/16/10
Posts: 39

12/01/10 4:49:11 PM#83
Originally posted by choujiofkono
Originally posted by Lahuzer

Sifting through community posts would tell a different story at times but I think people are not really taking the game in the spirit of how it is meant".

Amen.

       >>>>>  LoL @ You're doing it wrong

     I have not played the game and have no opinion on it personally but this excuse used by perma-fans, particularly people that are supposed to be professionals, is insane. 

     There is no right or wrong in player perception.  Reality is reality.  If the majority of players say the game is broken, buggy, and the developer is not trustworthy or follows through with anything he says then that is the reality.  You can sprinkle sugar all over it and it won't change the facts no matter how much you hold your breath or squint your eyes. 

    The intelligent way to defend a game is to debate the critics rationally and provide your own counter-proof to prove your point.  That is not being done.  Fans agree with critics but "like" the game anyway for reasons that are usually not provable with data from reality. 

   It's a seriously disturbing trend that points to the industry itself contributing to players purchasing every game from the genre they like just to find out if it's worth spending money on or not. 

Spot on. I was literally just thinking this in my head. Honestly, there are people here that are perma-fans, no matter what. And people here that take their hatred of MO to unhealthy levels, nitpicking and taking everything to extremes -- they're just as bad as the fanboys. But if you look at the area in the middle, at the actual facts, at the way this game is being handled...

Well, it speaks for itself.

Originally posted by geldonyetich

Wow, I knew you guys were pretty desparate to slam the game, but hacking the web page of a major game site so a user review masquarades as an official one? Pretty impressive.

[Edit: no, after seeing there's an actual video associated with it, I guess not, despite the wierd way GameSpot distributes its content making it looks like the reviewer didn't even write this.]

  Lahuzer

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Joined: 5/07/09
Posts: 680

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12/01/10 4:50:13 PM#84
Originally posted by choujiofkono

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Sifting through community posts would tell a different story at times but I think people are not really taking the game in the spirit of how it is meant".

Amen.

       >>>>>  LoL @ You're doing it wrong

     I have not played the game and have no opinion on it personally but this excuse used by perma-fans, particularly people that are supposed to be professionals, is insane. 

     There is no right or wrong in player perception.  Reality is reality.  If the majority of players say the game is broken, buggy, and the developer is not trustworthy or follows through with anything he says then that is the reality.  You can sprinkle sugar all over it and it won't change the facts no matter how much you hold your breath or squint your eyes. 

    The intelligent way to defend a game is to debate the critics rationally and provide your own counter-proof to prove your point.  That is not being done.  Fans agree with critics but "like" the game anyway for reasons that are usually not provable with data from reality. 

   It's a seriously disturbing trend that points to the industry itself contributing to players purchasing every game from the genre they like just to find out if it's worth spending money on or not. 

 

You missed the "Regardless of the bugs and slight unfinished feel, Mortal Online is supremely enjoyable. There are enough developed class-types to keep you occupied while more updates roll out and the game is more than stable enough to play"-part...  And if you read what I´ve written before you can see some of my points on it. I don´t wanna repeat myself every single time.

  seabeast

Novice Member

Joined: 3/24/05
Posts: 766

12/01/10 4:53:45 PM#85

A good review and one that could have been extended on for pages. I like the "group up with this game" deal where feeling as if the game is coming out of beta and growing with is reminds me of Eve when it first came out.

On the postive side, Patches come out often sometimes leading to the negative side, patches create new problems. However, those problems are addressed fastly. It is a give and  take game that has me afixed with the direction it is going. The political status of the map can and is changed by power  and by diplomacy...I like that.

  shakermaker0

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Joined: 5/25/09
Posts: 198

12/01/10 4:58:47 PM#86
Originally posted by choujiofkono

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Sifting through community posts would tell a different story at times but I think people are not really taking the game in the spirit of how it is meant".

Amen.

       >>>>>  LoL @ You're doing it wrong

     I have not played the game and have no opinion on it personally but this excuse used by perma-fans, particularly people that are supposed to be professionals, is insane. 

     There is no right or wrong in player perception.  Reality is reality.  If the majority of players say the game is broken, buggy, and the developer is not trustworthy or follows through with anything he says then that is the reality.  You can sprinkle sugar all over it and it won't change the facts no matter how much you hold your breath or squint your eyes. 

 

I'm not saying that there is a wrong or right way to play a game. What I'm saying is, with sandbox MMOs, if you don't take the adventure and excitement from the little things, then the genre is not for you. If you throw yourself into the experience and take everything in the spirit and context of the setting you will get more enjoyment out of it. You don't play something like Call of Duty and pick out every single inaccurate point and gameplay element. Anyway...thats what I meant.

  mindw0rk

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/31/06
Posts: 1355

12/01/10 5:03:05 PM#87

Please dont call MO a sandbox game. UO is sandbox, EVE is sandbox. MO is an empty ugly looking world where you can do nothing except mine ore from dawn to dusk and PK noobs in boring and buggy combat. Sometimes you can meet 2 headed NPCs staring at walls all days long. Thats about it.

  choujiofkono

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Joined: 9/03/07
Posts: 899

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12/01/10 5:09:02 PM#88
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by choujiofkono

Originally posted by Lahuzer
 
 

You missed the "Regardless of the bugs and slight unfinished feel, Mortal Online is supremely enjoyable. There are enough developed class-types to keep you occupied while more updates roll out and the game is more than stable enough to play"-part...  And if you read what I´ve written before you can see some of my points on it. I don´t wanna repeat myself every single time.

    I didn't "miss" anything.  I have become an expert at "disregarding" things that are nonsense. 

   

re·gard·less/ri?gärdl?s/

Adverb: Without paying attention to the present situation; despite the prevailing circumstances

   

  It is clear the review ignores reality in favor of magic rainbows and roses land but I don't need to hear fandom in a review, I just read it for the facts of what the game actually is.

    Facts:   Bugs  and  unfinished  feel.  

                  Game has been released almost 6 months and players continually make lists of serious issues. 

                  I don't blindly support any game with the label "sandbox" or "themepark" or anything else on it because that's ridiculous. 

"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"

  Lahuzer

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Joined: 5/07/09
Posts: 680

Sit on my face and tell me that you love me...

12/01/10 5:15:35 PM#89
Originally posted by choujiofkono
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by choujiofkono

Originally posted by Lahuzer
 
 

You missed the "Regardless of the bugs and slight unfinished feel, Mortal Online is supremely enjoyable. There are enough developed class-types to keep you occupied while more updates roll out and the game is more than stable enough to play"-part...  And if you read what I´ve written before you can see some of my points on it. I don´t wanna repeat myself every single time.

    I didn't "miss" anything.  I have become an expert at "disregarding" things that are nonsense. 

   

re·gard·less/ri?gärdl?s/

Adverb: Without paying attention to the present situation; despite the prevailing circumstances

   

  It is clear the review ignores reality in favor of magic rainbows and roses land but I don't need to hear fandom in a review, I just read it for the facts of what the game actually is.

    Facts:   Bugs  and  unfinished  feel.  

                  Game has been released almost 6 months and players continually make lists of serious issues. 

                  I don't blindly support any game with the label "sandbox" or "themepark" or anything else on it because that's ridiculous. 

For being a guy that "have not played the game and have no opinion on it personally" you sure know alot of what about whats wrong and don´t work with MO... You seem to be completly blind to the good things people have to say about it. Test it out yourself and ACTUALLY get a REAL opinion on it.... Or just move on.

  username509

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Joined: 3/22/10
Posts: 669

12/01/10 5:17:01 PM#90

No the game has not been released for 6 months yet!

The game will be 6 months old on Dec 9th.

Considering this review was made based off of game play from just before the last patch you can only assume that the game is EVEN BETTER now then it was for the reviewer.

Never trust a screenshot or a youtube video without a version stamp!

  User Deleted
12/01/10 5:17:50 PM#91

First...

Great review. Informative, fair and equally praising and critical.  Enjoyable read.

 

That said...

I think after reading the (all too predictable) responses, two things are absolutely clear:

1. Statements of how "you should give a MMO at least a few months before you can fairly review it" are meaningless. Regardless of how long you wait, the reaction from the community is going to be exactly the same as any other time. When it's reviewed has absolutely no bearing.

2. People were complaining that the Survivor Guy series about MO wasn't leveling enough criticism toward the game.

Here we are with a review that is quite harsh and critical of the game... Yet, people still aaren't satisfied. Why? Because the reviewer had the *nerve* to say positive things about it as well.

Not at all surprising 'round these parts, though.

  rhinok

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Joined: 2/01/07
Posts: 1813

12/01/10 5:24:57 PM#92
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by choujiofkono

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Sifting through community posts would tell a different story at times but I think people are not really taking the game in the spirit of how it is meant".

Amen.

       >>>>>  LoL @ You're doing it wrong

     I have not played the game and have no opinion on it personally but this excuse used by perma-fans, particularly people that are supposed to be professionals, is insane. 

     There is no right or wrong in player perception.  Reality is reality.  If the majority of players say the game is broken, buggy, and the developer is not trustworthy or follows through with anything he says then that is the reality.  You can sprinkle sugar all over it and it won't change the facts no matter how much you hold your breath or squint your eyes. 

    The intelligent way to defend a game is to debate the critics rationally and provide your own counter-proof to prove your point.  That is not being done.  Fans agree with critics but "like" the game anyway for reasons that are usually not provable with data from reality. 

   It's a seriously disturbing trend that points to the industry itself contributing to players purchasing every game from the genre they like just to find out if it's worth spending money on or not. 

 

You missed the "Regardless of the bugs and slight unfinished feel, Mortal Online is supremely enjoyable. There are enough developed class-types to keep you occupied while more updates roll out and the game is more than stable enough to play"-part...  And if you read what I´ve written before you can see some of my points on it. I don´t wanna repeat myself every single time.

"riddled to the core with bugs and is woefully unfinished to the point that is really hard to defend and shield it from criticism"

Fun? Maybe, if you're a fan of the game and genre and have an inhuman tolerance for bugs, desync, lag, and an unfinished beta game.  Fun is only one component of the game's rating, though and there's no arguing the game--as a whole--is a mess.

~Ripper

  LiquidWolf

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Joined: 4/18/07
Posts: 522

12/01/10 5:29:05 PM#93

The spirit of this review was simply this: Bugs-a-plenty... but show me something else that fits my needs and the needs of those that want a sandbox... Show me something that is trying to be more like UO than this game. Show me something better.

Be honest... you can't. How could you know what I want or like? Sure there are some games coming out in the future, other indie projects, but... what? Stop playing this game until those come out?

Or perhaps I should demand perfection... Supporting games that do not meet a certain standard only encourage developers to make crappy games... Right?

With all the patches and fixes this team is trying to do, they certainly seem to be trying to avoid a crappy game...besides... waiting for a future game, or demanding a high level of quality means only one thing:

I don't get to play.

We don't get together to elect winners. We all want more games, we want different types of games, and we want to encourage improvements in the games we play.

UO-Everquest-DAoC-WoW-LotRO-WAR... and so many in-between and around... Look what the industry has progressed to. A certain level of quality is expected, but then we don't really get anything different.

When someone says a game is good, yet buggy, and writes fairly detailed review about it... why call them liars, or try to discredit them? What is the problem? What is your goal?

Is one game the right game? or... if one does not match up to certain expectations... does that make it wrong? Are we supposed to protect people from that? Are we supposed to condemn those that say differently?

Are we extremists here?

Zealotry for a game is one thing, but when zealots attack others for simply having a different perspective and belief, nothing good can come from it.

  Lahuzer

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Joined: 5/07/09
Posts: 680

Sit on my face and tell me that you love me...

12/01/10 5:31:28 PM#94
Originally posted by rhinok
Originally posted by Lahuzer
Originally posted by choujiofkono

Originally posted by Lahuzer

Sifting through community posts would tell a different story at times but I think people are not really taking the game in the spirit of how it is meant".

Amen.

       >>>>>  LoL @ You're doing it wrong

     I have not played the game and have no opinion on it personally but this excuse used by perma-fans, particularly people that are supposed to be professionals, is insane. 

     There is no right or wrong in player perception.  Reality is reality.  If the majority of players say the game is broken, buggy, and the developer is not trustworthy or follows through with anything he says then that is the reality.  You can sprinkle sugar all over it and it won't change the facts no matter how much you hold your breath or squint your eyes. 

    The intelligent way to defend a game is to debate the critics rationally and provide your own counter-proof to prove your point.  That is not being done.  Fans agree with critics but "like" the game anyway for reasons that are usually not provable with data from reality. 

   It's a seriously disturbing trend that points to the industry itself contributing to players purchasing every game from the genre they like just to find out if it's worth spending money on or not. 

 

You missed the "Regardless of the bugs and slight unfinished feel, Mortal Online is supremely enjoyable. There are enough developed class-types to keep you occupied while more updates roll out and the game is more than stable enough to play"-part...  And if you read what I´ve written before you can see some of my points on it. I don´t wanna repeat myself every single time.

"riddled to the core with bugs and is woefully unfinished to the point that is really hard to defend and shield it from criticism"

Fun? Maybe, if you're a fan of the game and genre and have an inhuman tolerance for bugs, desync, lag, and an unfinished beta game.  Fun is only one component of the game's rating, though and there's no arguing the game--as a whole--is a mess.

~Ripper

Well you apperantly haven´t played the game then. Cause the bugs aren´t making the game unplayable. Me and my fellow clanmates are having a blast together. Ofc we run into bugs, but it´s not as bad as it would make any of us quit, or bring down the experiencce of it. Also the bugs gets fixed. And I can say that the desync has improved ALOT with yesterdays patch. Just read up on it on the MO forums. I´m not making this up. And having fun, at least to me, is the most important part with playing a MMO or any videogame for that matter.

  Lahuzer

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Posts: 680

Sit on my face and tell me that you love me...

12/01/10 5:42:07 PM#95
Originally posted by LiquidWolf

The spirit of this review was simply this: Bugs-a-plenty... but show me something else that fits my needs and the needs of those that want a sandbox... Show me something that is trying to be more like UO than this game. Show me something better.

Be honest... you can't. How could you know what I want or like? Sure there are some games coming out in the future, other indie projects, but... what? Stop playing this game until those come out?

Or perhaps I should demand perfection... Supporting games that do not meet a certain standard only encourage developers to make crappy games... Right?

With all the patches and fixes this team is trying to do, they certainly seem to be trying to avoid a crappy game...besides... waiting for a future game, or demanding a high level of quality means only one thing:

I don't get to play.

We don't get together to elect winners. We all want more games, we want different types of games, and we want to encourage improvements in the games we play.

UO-Everquest-DAoC-WoW-LotRO-WAR... and so many in-between and around... Look what the industry has progressed to. A certain level of quality is expected, but then we don't really get anything different.

When someone says a game is good, yet buggy, and writes fairly detailed review about it... why call them liars, or try to discredit them? What is the problem? What is your goal?

Is one game the right game? or... if one does not match up to certain expectations... does that make it wrong? Are we supposed to protect people from that? Are we supposed to condemn those that say differently?

Are we extremists here?

Zealotry for a game is one thing, but when zealots attack others for simply having a different perspective and belief, nothing good can come from it.

Amen. Couldn´t have said it better myslef. That actually was so good, that I won´t write more on this topic, cause I can´t top that argument.

  skeaser

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Don't die mad, just die.

12/01/10 5:45:24 PM#96
Originally posted by DLangley

Hey guys, just a little advice. If you have a lot to say please try and edit it into a previous post instead of posting right after yourself continuously.  It keeps everything that you want to say in one spot :).

Can we get a multi-quote option? Pretty please?


A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
-Friedrich Nietzsche

  thorppes

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Posts: 480

12/01/10 5:45:59 PM#97

The review looks fair to me and accurate.

I myself do not play until they add the PvE and social features I've been waiting for. The game is fun for a 3-4 months with the current content but I understand the game needed major fixing and now needs content.

  rhinok

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Joined: 2/01/07
Posts: 1813

12/01/10 5:50:25 PM#98
Originally posted by WSIMike

First...

Great review. Informative, fair and equally praising and critical.  Enjoyable read.

 

That said...

I think after reading the (all too predictable) responses, two things are absolutely clear:

1. Statements of how "you should give a MMO at least a few months before you can fairly review it" are meaningless. Regardless of how long you wait, the reaction from the community is going to be exactly the same as any other time. When it's reviewed has absolutely no bearing.

2. People were complaining that the Survivor Guy series about MO wasn't leveling enough criticism toward the game.

Here we are with a review that is quite harsh and critical of the game... Yet, people still aaren't satisfied. Why? Because the reviewer had the *nerve* to say positive things about it as well.

Not at all surprising 'round these parts, though.

Readers aren't dissatisfied with the overall review.  It's that the overall score doesn't accurately reflect the written word.  It seems arbitrary and artificially skewed high based on nebulous concepts like potential and overall preference for the genre, despite the game's many glaring technical and design issues. As I said in my other post, the tooltip for the Mediocre rating states "has a few stand-out features with few, if any, glaring detractors". That seems perfectly reasonable, except that the definition is totally contrary to the state of the actual game, per the reviewer's own words, which is "woefully unfinished", "Star Vault’s creation is riddled with bugs, glitches, errors, misjudgements and everything in-between", " riddled to the core with bugs", "buggy as all hell", "the game falls flat in many directions" and  "this game is nearer to state of closed-beta rather than retail release".  

You're right, the review was "quite harsh and critical of the game", but the score didn't reflect that. That's what people are upset about.

~Ripper

  Slapshot1188

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12/01/10 5:56:19 PM#99
Originally posted by LiquidWolf

When someone says a game is good, yet buggy, and writes fairly detailed review about it... why call them liars, or try to discredit them? What is the problem? What is your goal?

 My problem with the review is a philosophical one.  I strongly believe that reviews should be based on the product that exists when being reviewed.  If a reviewer has high hopes for future changes in a game.. those should be factored in seperately and not listed as a key factor in the rating.  Again.. that is simply MY opinion.   If the review simply stated, "The game is currently rated as X... but I think it has the potential to get a rating of Y down the road if they can fulfill all this potential"... I would have no issues with it.

 

Just look at the title.. it's called  "Six Month Review".  But that's not actually true, as the vast majority of the positives relate to something it could be later on.

 

As I said perviously... every MMO game in existance has had the potential (no matter how small) to eventually turn into a "10".  

"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator

Starvault's reponse to criticism related to having a handful of players as the official "test" team for a supposed MMO: "We've just have another 10ish folk kind enough to voulenteer added tot the test team" (SIC) This explains much about the state of the game :-)

  DLangley

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Posts: 1430

12/01/10 6:06:23 PM#100

Hey guys, lets not attack or bait other users into personal arguements. Discuss the review and express your opinion. Please also remember to respect other's opinions.

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