He is also wanted by Interpol in relation to some sexual assualt allegations. What's the bet these are trump charges seeking to discredit him? I gotta give it to him, he's got some balls because he's pissing off the type of people you don't want to piss off.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

Originally posted by Xirik

lots of this could be solved by US diplomats learning that insulting foreign leaders over a system that can be hacked into is stupid.

I think that's the wrong way to look at it. US diplomats have to communicate somehow. Anything can be hacked, espeically in this case where it was an inside job.

This wasn't an outside hacker attack. Someonew with access copied the data, and took it outside.

You're looking at it as "insults". 

But diplomats can't be politically correct if they are to be effective.

If a head of state is a pompous ass, you need to know that when you are dealing with that head of state.

You don't want to tie the hands of diplomats so they don't know this, because everyone is trying to be PC.

But you don't say in public, you have to deal with this head of state this way, because he is a pompous ass, or an idiot, or has a short attention span, or whatever.

But you damn well better know that if you're dealing with that person. That's your job.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

Originally posted by Gameloading

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

That was before this incident. I remember reading about that a couple months ago.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

It is not treason. The man is Australian, not American.

Also, the US has spies all over the world. It continues to spy on multiple countries. I suppose it's only wrong if someone spies on the US because we're actually not supposed to know that the war in Iraq was an even bigger fail than previously thought? We're not supposed to know how diplomats actually see things instead of suggercoating? Please.

Freedom of speech includes freedom of press.

To Dekron:

This isn't the first time wikileaks published US government material. They did so a while ago after which he was suddenly accused of a raping incident in Sweden. They decided to kick it up a notch after Wikileaks published even more things and decided to put them on the most wanted list.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

To Dekron:

This isn't the first time wikileaks published US government material. They did so a while ago after which he was suddenly accused of a raping incident in Sweden. They decided to kick it up a notch after Wikileaks published even more things and decided to put them on the most wanted list.

I know. I read the previous leaks as well. There is evidence he raped the girl. I've read various sources and they are inconsistent. Some claim it is a statutory rape charge of an underage girl with consential sex. Other sources state it was flat out rape.

As your comment on spies - yes, it is true we have spies. But other countries do as well and punish them according to their laws if they are caught. The question which should be asked is will Sweden will extradite him to the US?

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

It is not treason. The man is Australian, not American.

Also, the US has spies all over the world. It continues to spy on multiple countries. I suppose it's only wrong if someone spies on the US because we're actually not supposed to know that the war in Iraq was an even bigger fail than previously thought? We're not supposed to know how diplomats actually see things instead of suggercoating? Please.

Freedom of speech includes freedom of press.

To Dekron:

This isn't the first time wikileaks published US government material. They did so a while ago after which he was suddenly accused of a raping incident in Sweden. They decided to kick it up a notch after Wikileaks published even more things and decided to put them on the most wanted list.

Everyone spies and nothing is going to stop it.  Diplomats like businessmen talk about each other behind their backs.  Its also NOT going to stop.   Revealing this info isn't HELPING anyone, except Assange of course.  Until he gets lead poisoning that is.  What possible benefit do the American people get out of this?  None, since I can't imagine someone here being shocked that we spy on people and consider the leaders of other countries panzies=)   He obtained classified intel that makes the US look bad and spread it to the world.  Sounds like aggressive actions to me.  He better be prepared to take the heat.  Its only fair right?  Until he starts revealing info that helps us, hes an enemy.

We can't accuse him of treason, but we can accuse him for espionage.  Freedom of the press isn't going to protect him much longer.  To me, if he's trying to battle it out with us, he better be able to take punches too, and these are just slaps=)

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

To Dekron:

This isn't the first time wikileaks published US government material. They did so a while ago after which he was suddenly accused of a raping incident in Sweden. They decided to kick it up a notch after Wikileaks published even more things and decided to put them on the most wanted list.

I know. I read the previous leaks as well. There is evidence he raped the girl. I've read various sources and they are inconsistent. Some claim it is a statutory rape charge of an underage girl with consential sex. Other sources state it was flat out rape.

As your comment on spies - yes, it is true we have spies. But other countries do as well and punish them according to their laws if they are caught. The question which should be asked is will Sweden will extradite him to the US?

My point is that I find it a bit hypocritical to cry foul over someone publishing US documents that prove the US government isn't telling the truth (As an American, How can you not want to know this?) when the US themselves continues to spy on everybody else.

I don't think the US is going to claim him, as that would blow up their cover. It's pretty obvious that this whole raping incident is nothing more than a set up to get more nations going after him. He's not breaking any laws by publishing those documents.

to Josher: Who said anything about benefiting American people? He is not in service of the American people.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Would that count as fighting fire with fire? I'm sure the Christian Indoctrination Agency wouldn't mind fighting some terrorism with terrorism.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

To Dekron:

This isn't the first time wikileaks published US government material. They did so a while ago after which he was suddenly accused of a raping incident in Sweden. They decided to kick it up a notch after Wikileaks published even more things and decided to put them on the most wanted list.

I know. I read the previous leaks as well. There is evidence he raped the girl. I've read various sources and they are inconsistent. Some claim it is a statutory rape charge of an underage girl with consential sex. Other sources state it was flat out rape.

As your comment on spies - yes, it is true we have spies. But other countries do as well and punish them according to their laws if they are caught. The question which should be asked is will Sweden will extradite him to the US?

My point is that I find it a bit hypocritical to cry foul over someone publishing US documents that prove the US government isn't telling the truth (As an American, How can you not want to know this?) when the US themselves continues to spy on everybody else.

From what I have read so far of cablegate, I have not seen any lies. Granted, I am not saying I've read a good portion of it because it is very large. I know my government, as well as every other government (including yours), performs some sort of espionage. To think otherwise is naive.

What I am suprised about, and rather impressed with, is the ordering of spying on U.N. leadership. The U.N., in my opinion, is an organization which should no longer exist. It shows, with good reason, our government does not trust them.

Are others so naive to think political interaction between a nation's leaders/representatives is nothing more than a show? Truth will always come out behind closed doors.

Should Assange (sp?) be charged with espionage and extradited to the US? No, I think not. I think the person within in the military which accessed these files and passed them along should be punished up to, and including, a dishonorable discharge. So far, none of the information was even classified as "Secret". In my opinion, such communique could have easily been retrieved under the Freedom of Information Act as such items do not appear to be on the exemptions list.

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

to Josher: Who said anything about benefiting American people? He is not in service of the American people.

Correct, he's not, which is why I don't care what happens to him.  He's only serving his own ego, which needs some squashing.  He's not spreading lies that help the US.  He's helping our enemies.  He's trying to ruin diplomacy which hurts us and our allys.  He's basic scum UNTILL he exposes some lies that Americans actually care about hearing.  its not like HE can obtain anything anyway.  He just sits back and pleads freedom of the press.  We'll see what Russia or China think about that once he goes too far.

Originally posted by Josher

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

to Josher: Who said anything about benefiting American people? He is not in service of the American people.

Correct, he's not, which is why I don't care what happens to him.  He's only serving his own ego, which needs some squashing.  He's not spreading lies that help the US.  He's helping our enemies.  He's trying to ruin diplomacy which hurts us and our allys.  He's basic scum UNTILL he exposes some lies that Americans actually care about hearing.  its not like HE can obtain anything anyway.  He just sits back and pleads freedom of the press.  We'll see what Russia or China think about that once he goes too far.

To my opinion wikileaks is good. He merely exposes things everyone knows and certain things the people should know (spying on UN and Saudi Arabia helping terrorists) . If the US disliked country X why shouldn't country X know? Unless it ruined a surprise invasion there is no reason why to keep that veil of hypocrisy .

Maybe it's because i'm too honest and straight forward but i despise hypocrisy. People should say what's on their mind unless the consequences would be too disastruous. But surely what he revealed wasn't too bad. (appart from the Saudi demand to attack iran perhaps ).

Is it worth the fuss it is creating? meh . Is it good? boah . Does he deserve the capital punishment? surely not

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Josher

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

to Josher: Who said anything about benefiting American people? He is not in service of the American people.

Correct, he's not, which is why I don't care what happens to him.  He's only serving his own ego, which needs some squashing.  He's not spreading lies that help the US.  He's helping our enemies.  He's trying to ruin diplomacy which hurts us and our allys.  He's basic scum UNTILL he exposes some lies that Americans actually care about hearing.  its not like HE can obtain anything anyway.  He just sits back and pleads freedom of the press.  We'll see what Russia or China think about that once he goes too far.

To my opinion wikileaks is good. He merely exposes things everyone knows and certain things the people should know (spying on UN and Saudi Arabia helping terrorists) . If the US disliked country X why shouldn't country X know? Unless it ruined a surprise invasion there is no reason why to keep that veil of hypocrisy .

Maybe it's because i'm too honest and straight forward but i despise hypocrisy. People should say what's on their mind unless the consequences would be too disastruous. But surely what he revealed wasn't too bad. (appart from the Saudi demand to attack iran perhaps ).

Is it worth the fuss it is creating? meh . Is it good? boah . Does he deserve the capital punishment? surely not

Military notes on troop formations, position and the names of our people on the ground are borderline acts of war.  The other stuff is mostly meaningless stuff that happens in EVERY business.   The hypocrisy is how the guy leaking all this info, hides and skulks around.  Now why would you hide, when your whole goal is revealing everything to the masses.  Now THAT's being a hypocrite=)  

Diplomacy works BECAUSE people don't speak everything on their mind.  If they did, no one would get along=)  

Originally posted by Josher

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by Josher

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

to Josher: Who said anything about benefiting American people? He is not in service of the American people.

Correct, he's not, which is why I don't care what happens to him.  He's only serving his own ego, which needs some squashing.  He's not spreading lies that help the US.  He's helping our enemies.  He's trying to ruin diplomacy which hurts us and our allys.  He's basic scum UNTILL he exposes some lies that Americans actually care about hearing.  its not like HE can obtain anything anyway.  He just sits back and pleads freedom of the press.  We'll see what Russia or China think about that once he goes too far.

To my opinion wikileaks is good. He merely exposes things everyone knows and certain things the people should know (spying on UN and Saudi Arabia helping terrorists) . If the US disliked country X why shouldn't country X know? Unless it ruined a surprise invasion there is no reason why to keep that veil of hypocrisy .

Maybe it's because i'm too honest and straight forward but i despise hypocrisy. People should say what's on their mind unless the consequences would be too disastruous. But surely what he revealed wasn't too bad. (appart from the Saudi demand to attack iran perhaps ).

Is it worth the fuss it is creating? meh . Is it good? boah . Does he deserve the capital punishment? surely not

Military notes on troop formations, position and the names of our people on the ground are borderline acts of war.  The other stuff is mostly meaningless stuff that happens in EVERY business.   The hypocrisy is how the guy leaking all this info, hides and skulks around.  Now why would you hide, when your whole goal is revealing everything to the masses.  Now THAT's being a hypocrite=)  

Diplomacy works BECAUSE people don't speak everything on their mind.  If they did, no one would get along=)  

Sure it would work , with the ones you truly want it to work :p

And i fail to see the hypocrisy in him hiding?

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

It is not treason. The man is Australian, not American.

Also, the US has spies all over the world. It continues to spy on multiple countries. I suppose it's only wrong if someone spies on the US because we're actually not supposed to know that the war in Iraq was an even bigger fail than previously thought? We're not supposed to know how diplomats actually see things instead of suggercoating? Please.

Freedom of speech includes freedom of press.

To Dekron:

This isn't the first time wikileaks published US government material. They did so a while ago after which he was suddenly accused of a raping incident in Sweden. They decided to kick it up a notch after Wikileaks published even more things and decided to put them on the most wanted list.

Freedom of the press doesn't encompass publishing classified information.

Someone stole the information. I believe that was an American. That would be treason.

A foreign national obtaining  the info from teh US citizen would be espionage.

I'm not saying the US doesn't do it.

But if a US spy is caught, they are sometimes executed, or jailed for a very long time.

What do you expect would happen if a US spy were caught in N. Korea, or Iran?

They would say, oh, that's ok, because we use spies too. You can go home.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

To Dekron:

This isn't the first time wikileaks published US government material. They did so a while ago after which he was suddenly accused of a raping incident in Sweden. They decided to kick it up a notch after Wikileaks published even more things and decided to put them on the most wanted list.

I know. I read the previous leaks as well. There is evidence he raped the girl. I've read various sources and they are inconsistent. Some claim it is a statutory rape charge of an underage girl with consential sex. Other sources state it was flat out rape.

As your comment on spies - yes, it is true we have spies. But other countries do as well and punish them according to their laws if they are caught. The question which should be asked is will Sweden will extradite him to the US?

My point is that I find it a bit hypocritical to cry foul over someone publishing US documents that prove the US government isn't telling the truth (As an American, How can you not want to know this?) when the US themselves continues to spy on everybody else.

I don't think the US is going to claim him, as that would blow up their cover. It's pretty obvious that this whole raping incident is nothing more than a set up to get more nations going after him. He's not breaking any laws by publishing those documents.

to Josher: Who said anything about benefiting American people? He is not in service of the American people.

What "truth" that was being hidden from the US citizens?

That our diplomats think Jong Ill is fat?

That's not a "hidden truth" the American people need to know. 

Originally posted by Briansho

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Would that count as fighting fire with fire? I'm sure the Christian Indoctrination Agency wouldn't mind fighting some terrorism with terrorism.

I'm not a Christian. I wouldn't know.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

To Dekron:

This isn't the first time wikileaks published US government material. They did so a while ago after which he was suddenly accused of a raping incident in Sweden. They decided to kick it up a notch after Wikileaks published even more things and decided to put them on the most wanted list.

I know. I read the previous leaks as well. There is evidence he raped the girl. I've read various sources and they are inconsistent. Some claim it is a statutory rape charge of an underage girl with consential sex. Other sources state it was flat out rape.

As your comment on spies - yes, it is true we have spies. But other countries do as well and punish them according to their laws if they are caught. The question which should be asked is will Sweden will extradite him to the US?

My point is that I find it a bit hypocritical to cry foul over someone publishing US documents that prove the US government isn't telling the truth (As an American, How can you not want to know this?) when the US themselves continues to spy on everybody else.

I don't think the US is going to claim him, as that would blow up their cover. It's pretty obvious that this whole raping incident is nothing more than a set up to get more nations going after him. He's not breaking any laws by publishing those documents.

to Josher: Who said anything about benefiting American people? He is not in service of the American people.

 

What "truth" that was being hidden from the US citizens?

That our diplomats think Jong Ill is fat?

That's not a "hidden truth" the American people need to know. 

but if it was just that, i don't think the American Government would be so livid about teh whole affair..

Originally posted by murdera2k7

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think the CIA should take him out just to send a message.

Yeah what a message that would be. We are the land of the free and you can say whatever you want...unless it's something that we don't want the population to know.

The CIA is not going to kill him. Instead, he is now accused of raping in Sweden and is now placed on the Interpol most wanted list. It's as if the CIA isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You can't say whatever you want. There is such a thing as espionage and treason.

Obtaining and releasing classified information is not "freedom of speech". It's called spying, a capital offense.

You can say Obama sucks, or Bush sucks, or criticize the government however you want. THAT is freedom of speech.

You can't say, oh, I obtained secret information from teh US government, and this will compromise their relationship with other governments, so I'm going to tell you all about it becaues I have freedom of speech.

I suggest you not try that.

To Dekron:

This isn't the first time wikileaks published US government material. They did so a while ago after which he was suddenly accused of a raping incident in Sweden. They decided to kick it up a notch after Wikileaks published even more things and decided to put them on the most wanted list.

I know. I read the previous leaks as well. There is evidence he raped the girl. I've read various sources and they are inconsistent. Some claim it is a statutory rape charge of an underage girl with consential sex. Other sources state it was flat out rape.

As your comment on spies - yes, it is true we have spies. But other countries do as well and punish them according to their laws if they are caught. The question which should be asked is will Sweden will extradite him to the US?

My point is that I find it a bit hypocritical to cry foul over someone publishing US documents that prove the US government isn't telling the truth (As an American, How can you not want to know this?) when the US themselves continues to spy on everybody else.

I don't think the US is going to claim him, as that would blow up their cover. It's pretty obvious that this whole raping incident is nothing more than a set up to get more nations going after him. He's not breaking any laws by publishing those documents.

to Josher: Who said anything about benefiting American people? He is not in service of the American people.

 

What "truth" that was being hidden from the US citizens?

That our diplomats think Jong Ill is fat?

That's not a "hidden truth" the American people need to know. 

but if it was just that, i don't think the American Government would be so livid about teh whole affair..

Then you have no understaning of diplomacy.

We're dealing with human beings, not robots, even if they are heads of state.

Does a diplomat negotiating with other countries need to know the personality and quirks of the person he is negotiating with?

Absolutely!

Do you need to tell those unflattering traits to the person you're TRYING to work out a deal with?

Absolutely not!

Let's say Putin is a pompous ass that likes his ego stroked, or Sarkozy is insecure and needs reassurance.

Is that helpful to know when dealing with these people? Yes!

Is it helpful to walk into a negotion and say, Hello Mr. Putin. I understand you're a pompous ass and I should stroke your ego.

No dumbass, it's not helpful. And it's even MORE insulting when such a statement is broadcast to the entire world.

Or maybe you'll understand this. It's like playing poker with all your cards face up on the table.

How you gonna bluff then?

Or in this case, like someone standing over your shoulder telling the other player, he's only got a pair of 4's.

Yes, it's enough to piss the US off.

What? You think they uncovered that the US actually blew up the trade towers on 9/11, and it was an inside job so Bush could go to war with Afghanistan or something?