Known fact 3/4 of the running nation around wondering where their next bowl of rice is coming from.PLZ

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by deviliscious

I think many people are missing the long term strategy here that is beneficial to the US. They have been doing this for quite some time, but most overlook it. The US is not utilizing the majority of it's resources for a reason. Allowing other nations to deplete their resources first will allow for the US to be the only ones in the end with the resources. We buy up their oil, rare metals and such now, and when push comes to shove later, they are not going to have any and ours will be in high demand, driving up the prices. Due to the depletion of their resources, we basically allowed them to sell theirs to us cheap and then increased the value of our own. win win situation for the US in the long run.

There are still untapped resources being found around the world. Your so called theory won't happen won't happen for hundreds of years. Not to mention the big countries around the world are buying up specific sectors.

Also what about the People who own those mines and such who are foreign owners? does Capitalism fail in the US in your pipe dream?

Your indigenious peoples rants were way more fun then this.

 Some of those rare metals only have large deposits in China and the US. Those were the ones I am addressing.

And there are some metals that are mostly found in other countries. Guess we will have to share/trade like normal countries do..

We are not even tapping them here. Just sitting on them., and from what I read about them, no they are not foreign owned.. at least not yet. LOL

You think indigenious rants are entertaining? You are twisted.

No... you spefically ranting about them is entertaining.

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by deviliscious

I think many people are missing the long term strategy here that is beneficial to the US. They have been doing this for quite some time, but most overlook it. The US is not utilizing the majority of it's resources for a reason. Allowing other nations to deplete their resources first will allow for the US to be the only ones in the end with the resources. We buy up their oil, rare metals and such now, and when push comes to shove later, they are not going to have any and ours will be in high demand, driving up the prices. Due to the depletion of their resources, we basically allowed them to sell theirs to us cheap and then increased the value of our own. win win situation for the US in the long run.

There are still untapped resources being found around the world. Your so called theory won't happen won't happen for hundreds of years. Not to mention the big countries around the world are buying up specific sectors.

Also what about the People who own those mines and such who are foreign owners? does Capitalism fail in the US in your pipe dream?

Your indigenious peoples rants were way more fun then this.

 You think indigenious rants are entertaining? You are twisted.

No... you spefically ranting about them is entertaining.

 And why is that entertaining to you?

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by deviliscious

I think many people are missing the long term strategy here that is beneficial to the US. They have been doing this for quite some time, but most overlook it. The US is not utilizing the majority of it's resources for a reason. Allowing other nations to deplete their resources first will allow for the US to be the only ones in the end with the resources. We buy up their oil, rare metals and such now, and when push comes to shove later, they are not going to have any and ours will be in high demand, driving up the prices. Due to the depletion of their resources, we basically allowed them to sell theirs to us cheap and then increased the value of our own. win win situation for the US in the long run.

There are still untapped resources being found around the world. Your so called theory won't happen won't happen for hundreds of years. Not to mention the big countries around the world are buying up specific sectors.

Also what about the People who own those mines and such who are foreign owners? does Capitalism fail in the US in your pipe dream?

Your indigenious peoples rants were way more fun then this.

 You think indigenious rants are entertaining? You are twisted.

No... you spefically ranting about them is entertaining.

 And why is that entertaining to you?

Because in the past couple years I have been watching the OT and I never saw you talk about it before until suddenly a month ago you create threads and multiple posts complaining about it.  So I asked myself... why is she talking about it now? I my conclusion turned out to be funny.

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by deviliscious

I think many people are missing the long term strategy here that is beneficial to the US. They have been doing this for quite some time, but most overlook it. The US is not utilizing the majority of it's resources for a reason. Allowing other nations to deplete their resources first will allow for the US to be the only ones in the end with the resources. We buy up their oil, rare metals and such now, and when push comes to shove later, they are not going to have any and ours will be in high demand, driving up the prices. Due to the depletion of their resources, we basically allowed them to sell theirs to us cheap and then increased the value of our own. win win situation for the US in the long run.

There are still untapped resources being found around the world. Your so called theory won't happen won't happen for hundreds of years. Not to mention the big countries around the world are buying up specific sectors.

Also what about the People who own those mines and such who are foreign owners? does Capitalism fail in the US in your pipe dream?

Your indigenious peoples rants were way more fun then this.

 You think indigenious rants are entertaining? You are twisted.

No... you spefically ranting about them is entertaining.

 And why is that entertaining to you?

Because in the past couple years I have been watching the OT and I never saw you talk about it before until suddenly a month ago you create threads and multiple posts complaining about it.  So I asked myself... why is she talking about it now? I my conclusion turned out to be funny.

 ? Apparently you haven't been around here very long, or have difficulty reading because when I first came to this site I discussed this at length.

Hi double book-keeping China Commies! You sneaky bastages...  I need to read Art of War =( 

(very soon) 

10.11.04

In 1986, the US national debt was around 2 trillion dollars. Today, it is rapidly approaching 14 trillion dollars. The American Dream is being ripped apart right in front of our eyes, but apparently some of the major networks (ABC, A&E and The History Channel) do not want the American people to really understand what is going on.

Month after month, thousands of jobs and billions of dollars gets transferred permanently from the United States to China.

In 1985, the US trade deficit with China was 6 million dollars for the entire year. In the month of August alone, the US trade deficit with China was over 28 billion dollars.

The Chinese government has accumulated hundreds of billions of excess dollars, and US government officials now regularly make trips over there to beg them to keep lending more money to our government so that we can continue to go on living far beyond our means.

But the borrower always ends up as the servant of the lender, and we are rapidly becoming the servants of the Chinese.

But it did not have to be this way.

We did not have to merge the US economy into a globalized one-world economy where US workers are put in direct competition for jobs with millions of Chinese workers that make less than a dollar per hour.

Factories, wealth and jobs are leaving the United States at a blinding pace. Since 2001, approximately 42,400 American factories have closed their doors.

America is being deindustrialized, and the sad thing is that most Americans do not even realize that it is a major problem.

As of the end of 2009, less than 12 million Americans worked in manufacturing. The last time that less than 12 million Americans were employed in manufacturing was in 1941.

Does that sound like progress to you?

Today, the United States spends about $3.90 on Chinese goods for every $1 that China spends on goods from the United States.

China is accomplishing this by openly manipulating currency rates, by allowing their population to be paid slave labor wages and by putting up unfair barriers to US goods.

And our politicians are letting them get away with it.

So China is winning and we are losing. In fact, one prominent economist is now projecting that the Chinese economy will be three times larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2040.

Meanwhile, formerly great American manufacturing cities such as Detroit now look like post-apocalyptic war zones. ref

Yesterday, The Fed (Federal Reserve) released a statement, confirming that it is to buy at least $500 billion of long-term securities (aka quantitative easing, QE2) in the form of printing money out of thin air.
The Fed’s “QE2" risks accelerating the demise of the dollar-based currency system (e.g. a 20 percent decline in the dollar is possible... gold goes from $1400 to $1700/oz) to the crippled world economy.

This here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSQozWP-rM

is most telling as well as chilling reality!

Originally posted by xpowderx

This here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSQozWP-rM

is most telling as well as chilling reality!

I hoped for something good but i got some silly propaganda.

Originally posted by generals3

Originally posted by xpowderx

This here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTSQozWP-rM

is most telling as well as chilling reality!

I hoped for something good but i got some silly propaganda.

I figured as much.  Good for you to realize it is propaganda, although I'm a joker of the world so this stuff just makes me laugh. We can all sit around and watch it burn :)

I agree with Bhug mostly...

We really need to rethink increasing tarrifs against some of these nations.  I'm by no means in the loop when it comes to talking about ecomonics.  The thing is It doesn't take a lot of sense to figure out that if you've got nations that pay slave wages to employees and can ship goods over here for cheaper than we make them.  Then something is seriously wrong with our government's standing on letting these countries continue to opperate this way. 

These countries do not play by fair rules, they do not care about their own citizens.  They only care about what makes their government/nation richer.  In our country we have things to protect our citizens against these type things.  We can't enforce these rules on them, but we can sure make it where what they are shipping to us costs approx the same as what it costs us to produce it without forcing people to live in poverty.

This is really really killing our nation!  I think this is one of the major contributors to the situation we are in right now.  Just like Marty had said about outsourcing our work and industries moving to other countries because of pay and regulations.  Well just jack up the taxes on these things being imported to where it isn't feasible for them to export our jobs and manufacturing anymore.  Then you produce jobs and also the government makes more money on the taxes they impose on these goods that are coming in from somewhere else.

If these nations then start giving fair wages, we can start backing off the tarrifs accordingly.

Anyway, we need to get back control of this situation.  URGENTLY!!!

***Edited***

Meant Bhug, not Mardy... :p

Japan has a very high tariff on importing foreign cars, to have a Cadillac there means you are either part of the government, or Yakuza.  Germany also has a high tariff on foreign cars, I remember reading Modified, or Import tuner where they brought some STI's and Evo's to run around the autobahn and the funny thing was the Germans thought they were more "exotic" than Ferraris and Lambos.  If the U.S. started to do this, maybe we wouldn't need bailouts for major U.S. auto makers.  It's ok if other countries do this to us, but it's forbidden for the U.S. to do this.  Double standards suck!

On a side note, I was walking in the mall today window shopping... (I rarely have time to do this and had to kill a few hours while waiting on some school meetings for an internship project) ... So I decided to walk into the Oakley store and to my surprise they started to sell snowboarding pants/gear whatnot, I looked at the tags and everything was made in China! 

Really? I thought Oakley was an American company, with some of the few remaining "Made in the U.S tags", but I guess everyone has their price.  I was disgusted and walked out the store.  The stuck up sales people didn't even bother to help me, and the Ironic thing was I walked into the store with some polarized Oakley fuel cells glasses I picked up at Sunglasses Hut a few months earlier.... as soon as I stepped out of the store I took them off the back of my head to see where they were made, and surprisingly they were made here in the U.S. 

You should really stick to making and selling glasses/goggles Oakley and stop being sellouts.

On that note, why can't India start stealing China's jobs?  Obama was stuttering tonight on TV, I lol'd when he stuttered something along the lines of "The American people think you are stealing their jobs?"  .. with some hesitation, I died a little inside.  Wait, let me give you a cookie because you retrieved 50K jobs, while MILLIONS were lost in the first place.  And to see this new TV show "Outsourced" airing now is just a slap in the face that adds some real insult to injury to the American people.  

Oh, I also dropped $85 on some Nike 6.0 Encores that were made in Vietnam.  That's China right? 

/rant off

1) Canada can produce rare earth metal, we just don't because the value is so low. If China cut out the higher price would likely make it viable.

2) Do some more research on India and China. Its really common for people to think they are these sound, growing nations, but they are both having HUGE social issues as well as an entire economy that is built around trying to make ends meet rather than improve. If you've ever been to India, you'd know the place is a giant garbage hole. There is dead bodies everywhere, garbage piles up in streets and rivers. People kill with no fear of retribution from government and there is rampant disease.

I wouldn't jump on that fear bandwagon just yet...

Originally posted by slippyC

I agree with Bhug mostly...

 

We really need to rethink increasing tarrifs against some of these nations. 

The very first country we should put tarrifs on is Mexico.

They ENCOURAGE their citizens to cross the US border illegally, and actually help them do it. They raise hell when the US talks about enforcing it's border, although they sure as hell enforce their Southern border.

I say we put major tarrifs on Mexico, until they stop this policy, and cooperate with the US on policing the border.

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Oh, I also dropped $85 on some Nike 6.0 Encores that were made in Vietnam.  That's China right? 
/rant off

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Originally posted by SoulSurfer

 

On a side note, I was walking in the mall today window shopping... (I rarely have time to do this and had to kill a few hours while waiting on some school meetings for an internship project) ... So I decided to walk into the Oakley store and to my surprise they started to sell snowboarding pants/gear whatnot, I looked at the tags and everything was made in China! 

Really? I thought Oakley was an American company, with some of the few remaining "Made in the U.S tags", but I guess everyone has their price.  I was disgusted and walked out the store.

lol, be careful of the new thing that they do these days... "Assembled in China....using U.S. parts".  I laughed when I saw that tag on something, it's like...oh that's supposed to make me feel better that the company cut corners by hiring foreign workers to assemble?

I try very hard to buy American, I really do.  I look at the tag on everything I buy.  But there just isn't a lot of Made in USA items anymore. 

The concept of superpower is relegated to history now.  It cannot exist anymore.  Global economic and social ties are much deeper than they ever have been in the past, making having one lone superpower not only undesirable, but unsustainable.  All the "First World" countries are going to have to come to grips with the need to promote unity rather than division.  Proclaiming a superpower promotes the situation we are currently in today.  One in which 2nd and 3rd world nations rail against a common "enemy." 

The sooner the USA drops it's status as "lone superpower" the better it will be for the US and the world.  Sadly, our political leaders have too much ego to do the right thing and pass the "world leader" title off to the global community.

Originally posted by Mardy

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

 

On a side note, I was walking in the mall today window shopping... (I rarely have time to do this and had to kill a few hours while waiting on some school meetings for an internship project) ... So I decided to walk into the Oakley store and to my surprise they started to sell snowboarding pants/gear whatnot, I looked at the tags and everything was made in China! 

Really? I thought Oakley was an American company, with some of the few remaining "Made in the U.S tags", but I guess everyone has their price.  I was disgusted and walked out the store.

lol, be careful of the new thing that they do these days... "Assembled in China....using U.S. parts".  I laughed when I saw that tag on something, it's like...oh that's supposed to make me feel better that the company cut corners by hiring foreign workers to assemble?

 

I try very hard to buy American, I really do.  I look at the tag on everything I buy.  But there just isn't a lot of Made in USA items anymore. 

So what about foreign car makers building their cars here in the U.S. like what BMW did with Greenfield, S.C. - A lot of Japanese car makers such as Honda, Toyota, and Nissan are built here as well and set up shop south of the old rust belt because political grease gave these companies incentives to move over and set up shop and could apply their business production models/techniques while using American Labor.

Enter the newest contestant: Hyundai: (This car has 274 Hp and gets 33 MPG!!!)  

http://www.allsmallcars.com/blog/1049735_2011-hyundai-elantra-to-be-made-in-u-s

http://www.kbb.com/car-news/all-the-latest/2011-hyundai-elantra-will-be-made-in-america

America builds these cars for overseas companies, but it's still with raw materials from this country, with American sweat.  The product is high-quality, it was built here!, but just under the name-tag of different owners.  There is no doubt in my mind that if American car companies wanted to build really really great cars here in the states, that they can, and their future depends on it.

I'm interested in seeing how after some of  the major U.S. car makers got bailouts, and with Obama's new CAFE standards for MPG/emissions based on California's progressive and strict standards, IF we will once again start to see that innovative and creative design Americans' are famous for.  It's time to redefine the paradigm that the rest of the world can follow.  Ford is doing a great job at this imo.  We got lazy, greedy, and complacent, and in returned got a harsh slap in the face for a wake-up  call.

It's crazy when China can devalue their currency enough, so that the entire world feels its' rippled effects not only in the first world, but also second and third worlds as well.  This is everyones' problem, not just the United States'.  We have invested in so many foreign overseas markets for so long, and when it's time to bring some of that money back to the center to the FED reserver ...(and those economies of scale don't want to pay the piper)... this is how wars start.  Why do you think our economy is so out of whack right now?  China knows exactly what it is doing, at the expense of its own people. 

Originally posted by daeandor

The concept of superpower is relegated to history now.  It cannot exist anymore.  Global economic and social ties are much deeper than they ever have been in the past, making having one lone superpower not only undesirable, but unsustainable.  All the "First World" countries are going to have to come to grips with the need to promote unity rather than division.  Proclaiming a superpower promotes the situation we are currently in today.  One in which 2nd and 3rd world nations rail against a common "enemy." 

 

The sooner the USA drops it's status as "lone superpower" the better it will be for the US and the world.  Sadly, our political leaders have too much ego to do the right thing and pass the "world leader" title off to the global community.

You're right.  The new world superpower is comprised of Rich and Industrialized Countries all over the world.  (It's not just exclusive to one or two countires)  I think India was just indoctrinated into the club last week (they got their spot on the UN security board) and Obama is in Korea with the G20 Summit discussing the stability of the world economy.

The American people are starting to show signs of leaning towards living more simplistic lifestyles and are downsizing and streamlining everything towards sustainability.  I know my standards of living must come back down to earth and future generations won't be able to enjoy the gross - over consumption type of life-styles we have been abusing and taking for granted for so long.  Sometimes the truth hurts, but it's still the truth.  

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

So what about foreign car makers building their cars here in the U.S. like what BMW did with Greenfield, S.C. - A lot of Japanese car makers such as Honda, Toyota, and Nissan are built here as well and set up shop south of the old rust belt because political grease gave these companies incentives to move over and set up shop and could apply their business production models/techniques while using American Labor.

I think they build cars here because they want to sell them here, and it looks good to have a plant here or two.  With Toyota and Honda being the most popular cars in US, why wouldn't they want to build plants here to build these cars?  They have to pump so many out just to meet the demands.  They're still foreign design and import parts.

My complaint is with US companies killing jobs here and shiping parts overseas to assemble.  Then they sell the products here, attempting to label them as "made in USA" but "assembled elsewhere".  They really aren't made in USA if they aren't built & assembled in US imo.  I would love to see more tech companies in US, and see us start manufacturing & building things again.  There isn't one computer part you can find that's made in USA these days.