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  User Deleted
10/26/10 2:33:57 PM#41

Silly? It looks joyful to me. You are just jealous because people are full of energy and have fun doing something that you consider serious tiresome work.

In seriousness, it shows how lacking is one of the most major parts of MMO - travel. There are precious few MMO where movement has some meat to it - one I know being Maple Story, another being EvE. The worst I played is LOTRO - tons of running around with no challenge or variety.

  mackdawg19

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10/26/10 2:38:44 PM#42

I think people tend to forget we are playing fantasy driven games, where things you dream of should be possible. Even if you try to make a game seem realistic, you can't. Because let's face it, realistic is boring hence the reason we play games in the first place. Seriously, if I had to play a game where I went to work, drove home, woke up, fed my kids and what not. I would freaking cry, seriously shed tears. I doubt anyone would code a game that way because that's just plain boring. Look at how slow we walk. Would you really want that in a game. I'd take bunny hopping any day, because it fits.

  zaxxon23

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10/26/10 6:15:04 PM#43
Originally posted by Ozreth

OP, people like you make MMORPG's look silly : p

I don't qft much, but....QFT

  ototo147

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10/26/10 6:31:37 PM#44
Originally posted by bloodaxes

I'd wish if mmos made jumping like on mount & blade...

Yes it's usefull sometimes to dodge a hit or 2 but you can't bunny hop, after jumping you have to wait like 2 seconds before jumping again this way you use it when you really need it not to be stupid.

Yeah, I agree with this. Although I guess it should be game-dependent. Since M&B is obviously going for a more realistic feel, they made jumping a bit restrictive. Although if you think about it, even M&B's jumping is pretty ridiculous when it comes to reality.

 

Another game that did jumping different was Everquest. It would drain your stamina, and it wasn't really hopping, but more like leaping, like if you were required to jump over a gap in the floor. Stamina was also important for other things, but I think you still saw people bunny hopping in the end. You could probably never get rid of it, unless you got rid of jumping altogether, or so it seems.

 

I think I agree with SuperXero89 though, in that it only really bothers me if it's in PvP. And even there, it isn't too big of a deal - just slightly annoying. If it's a class that's required to be fast, then it makes sense, and it bothers me even less. If it's a big tank class in full plate armor, eh, it's a stupid sight to see, but it does little to affect my overall immersion of the game.

  User Deleted
10/26/10 6:36:26 PM#45

bunnyhopping... tis a silly thing. not a tragedy though. i say either do like in mount in blade or like in asheron's call. if someone wants to be a bunny, make them work for it. also make it armor-dependent. 

  svann

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10/26/10 6:58:22 PM#46

Has there really been any mmorpg besides wow that went so over the top with jumping that it could be called bunny hopping?  

  User Deleted
10/26/10 7:06:22 PM#47

Yes! - Every bunnyhopper is on my ignore-list before his/her third hop. I have a zero-tolerance-policy in this case.

  leumasx7

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10/26/10 7:20:12 PM#48
Originally posted by Ometeotl

Yes! - Every bunnyhopper is on my ignore-list before his/her third hop. I have a zero-tolerance-policy in this case.

 

Then play a free MMO. Problem Solved. (70% of the free MMOs ive played dont have jump at all.)

  Mardy

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10/26/10 7:22:53 PM#49

I hop, subconsciously, I don't do it to annoy people, but it's just something I do.  I probably got the habit from the Quake days, but whatever, I hop.  My g/f can't stand people that hop, she can't explain to me why other than "it's annoying".

 

So there you have it, it bothers some people, but doesn't bother others.  Chulk it up to coke vs pepsi thing.

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  leumasx7

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10/26/10 7:24:24 PM#50

I HAS A SOLUTION TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY.

 

1. Add CD, until u can jump again (1second, to 1.5)

2. Add delay; where character recovers from jump, and takes short delay to jump. (.5second delay to jump; 1second after jump)

3. Have a Stamina meter where jumping drains it by 35%, (if in there, sprinting drains 5% a second).. Stamina regens 10% a second, cannot be enhanced to a higher precent...

 

L2P if u think all these are un-reasonable and you can't even deal with 3-hops. which is not hard.

 

 

(I hop Automatically, being a surfer/ Bhop server in CSS). MMOs are not hard to deal with that. QQ~..

  leumasx7

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10/26/10 7:28:31 PM#51
Originally posted by elocke

 


Originally posted by Tailz2k7


Originally posted by elocke
I voted no because bunny hopping doesn't make MMO's look silly, it just makes the player doing it at the worst possible time look silly. Like the guy in the dungeon bunny hopping through or the guy in pvp bunny hopping around you as if that makes any difference on whether you hit him or not.



 In non auto target games... it does make a difference.

I tend to not play non auto target games but I see your point. Still think it's the player. Jumping isn't a skill, to me at least.

Theres a reason they Hop.. Its not PVE, you can't just click spells and hope they stay still and just auto attack you. L2Strafe, use keyboard and don't click your stuff. Other than that, only advice i have.

  leumasx7

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10/26/10 7:32:04 PM#52
Originally posted by choujiofkono
Originally posted by SuperXero89

I bunny hop, and I'm even more likely to do it around people whom I know it irritates and in games full of people who look down on it.

Seriously, lighten up people.

 

After watching the video, that sort of thing "does" annoy me in PvP.  I mean, we're playing MMORPGs not Unreal Tournament.  Winning a battle should mean you know how to play your class and have better equipment more than it should mean you make your character impossible to hit.

     I think you hit the point on the head here.  PvP in MMO's is a joke.  There is no skill in the "you win because you have the shiny weapon" scenario.  They put PvP in MMO's so they can tack on the catchphrase "PvP" on the box, not because it's actually a sport.  Unreal Tourney was fun because it set up each team with the same chance to win and took skill and planning to beat your opponent. 

     What makes it worse is with item shops they now sell the advantage in a convenient micropayment.  That sounds like tons O' fun.  No.

     Jumping is an important part of a games immersion and can be abused like anything else in a game.  The same as camping out and "farming" a rare drop is ridiculous to gain an advantage in PvP but tons of people find that behavior acceptable as well for some reason. 

PVP in MMOS. Or we just talking WoW?. WoW is a Gear Over Skill game. As for comparing something like... Dark age of Camelot. It is more based on Skill. Gear helps a lot, but skill is the main motive. 

 

Anyway. in most cases. Gear is skill?. Or just someone who knows how to listen to directions in PVE.

Its debatable really.

  Codenak

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10/26/10 7:39:19 PM#53
Yes, to the OP. Bunny hopping to me is unrealistic, would you in real life bounce your way around in a dangerous area? No, because you'd be too tired if/when you do encounter something nasty to do anything about it and you'd probably have knackered knees/ankles to boot, and you'd probably attract the attention of something you didn't actually want to meet, or a good sniper would time your hops and headshot you. For me it reduces the immersion watching an unrealistic mechanic being used because it gives an "advantage" in pvp. Just because our characters are all energiser bunnies with no fatigue doesn't make it right, now if it was explainable with "magic boots of hopping like a frog" i might be able to accept it, as long as that's all the movement that could be done while wearing the boots. Edit: apologies, it was paragraphed but it seems to have lost some of the formatting.

F2P/P2P excellent thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/282517/F2P-An-Engineers-perspective.html

  xaldraxius

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10/26/10 9:32:09 PM#54

I don't mind bunny hopping in MMOs, but I hate it in FPSs. I don't hate that people do it so much as I hate the crowd that thinks it's the greatest skill you can have and if you strafe and use a machine gun you are just 'spraying and praying'. If people would learn to play 'the right way', and I hate saying that because there is no real 'right way', but still, if people would play the game and take the time to develop actual skills they wouldn't need to rely on a gimmic move like bunny hopping.

  Hekket

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10/26/10 9:41:28 PM#55

yes

  Daitengu

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10/26/10 9:45:05 PM#56

As always, it depends. Generally speaking, no not in an mmo. Although it is retarded in a fps.

  travdoty

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10/26/10 9:47:09 PM#57

Not even gonna read through the replies on this post.

 

My answer is: who the fuck cares? To people that do: are you really so much of a nerd that you feel bunny hopping around in MMO's hinders your quality of play? That it doesn't "fit with the lore of the game"? Are you telling me that if those games were real life those 'people' couldn't continually jump if they wanted to?

 

Gah the stupidity on these forums still ceases to amaze me sometimes... 

  drake_hound

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10/26/10 9:48:19 PM#58

This is silly so you explain the RP in MMORPG , but then in your poll you set MMO .

Sorry this is a selfdefeating threat .

So no bunny hopping doesn´t make MMO silly , its normal for MMO to have a lot of bunny hoppers .

I can´t imagine a mmo where i can´t jump , fly mount but have to walk .

 

RP stands for Roleplay , but what the heck is roleplay nowadays ?

A normal person acting like a jerk is roleplay .

A kid that acts so l33t but  hasn´t gotten any experience at all in Real Life is roleplaying .

Sorry RP stands nowadays for a ugly word , but half the idiots bashing it are Roleplaying !.

 

Sorry the universal roleplay already changed to beavis and butthead roleplay that people so adore .

  jdlamson75

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10/26/10 9:54:44 PM#59
Originally posted by SuperXero89

I bunny hop, and I'm even more likely to do it around people whom I know it irritates and in games full of people who look down on it.

Seriously, lighten up people.

 

After watching the video, that sort of thing "does" annoy me in PvP.  I mean, we're playing MMORPGs not Unreal Tournament.  Winning a battle should mean you know how to play your class and have better equipment more than it should mean you make your character impossible to hit.

Some people play games where classes don't exist, gear is a factor but not the only factor, and player skill is what matters more than anything.  Just sayin' bro.

  cukimunga

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10/26/10 10:08:58 PM#60

I sometimes bunny hop in game but I sometimes randomly do dumb shit like that in real life for a few seconds.  But just imagine if in the real world people were always jumping around like in the game. I personally think it would be quite odd to see people constantly jumping around.

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