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  Ramonski7

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10/24/10 10:31:07 PM#101
Originally posted by SaintViktor

I never expected Diablo 3 to look like a carbon copy of 10 years ago but yet I did not expect it to look WoW either. From the art style to the lore it is all coming from Warcraft. I mean my god is this Diablo fans have really been waiting for ? The 5th class reveal looks like Sylvanas Windrunner with crossbows. I'm just waiting for the term "dark lady watch over us" spill out on a Demon Hunter cutscene. It really is a major disappointment how Blizzard is treating Diablo. Some things they have done well liek the rune system and the gems but overall its a big disappointment from a Diablo fans perspective. I'm seriously on the fence if I should even buy it now.

This is up there with the rest of the "I hate Blizzard's success with WoW and it's rubbing off on my other Blizzard IP!" crowd. If you look at the actual gameplay videos (not crappy still pics cause they don't do any game justice), you'll be hard press to see how it looks anything like WoW. So they give a nod to Sylvana Windrunner huh? Big deal. I mean they are both rangers right? Well one is a demon hunter and the other is a ranger, but then again I bet you caught the double nod about the class being called a demon hunter (something only Sylvana's race to strive to be).Or did you?  But isn't this game call Diablo? So wouldn't it make since that sooner or later a class would pop up that specialized in "hunting" demons? You know, hunters that use range weapons...

 

Anyway I think your real beef is that Blizzard is using illustrators that have done previous work for them with WoW, on the Diablo side of things. And I hope that's your real beef because you do know you can play a MR. Sylvana Windrunner right?


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  Ichmen

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10/24/10 10:34:24 PM#102

i agree it looks too much like WoW from the game trailers. im not impressed with this duel crossbow system they have.... seeing as the most skilled crossbowmen would still take 30-60seconds to reload a normal crossbow...be impossible to reload 2 crossbows at once... /)_<"

 

as for the art... i can see where the WoW hate comes from. its far too "bright" for a game based around occult stuff. D1 and D2 as i recall was very dark and gritty had that sense of foreboding and "fear" watching the game play videos for D3... you dont have that... it looks like your walking outside in the bright sunlight while you are in a tomb..

they could have done soo much with Ambiant light and effects to make it more down to earth and gritty.. kind of like deadspace in a sense... give you that fear feeling.. as you turn a corner in a dark musty crypt... but instead they give you sunshine... and rainbows

but time will tell how decent a game it is.. its not very "true" to the IP IMO... too much WC/WoW lighting effects not enough dark impending doom effects

 

 

 

 

OH and Lan has nothing to do with pirating...some people dont WANT to have to connect online to play MP... just look at the debuckle that UBIsoft hit with its anti-pirate system for The settlers game.....no one should have to be 24/7 connected to the net to play a game. it doesnt stop piracy. it actually promotes it cause people have to get pirates to mod the game for them so they can do offline play..

i for one hate having to connect 24/7

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  Thane

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10/24/10 11:07:08 PM#103

i actually start to wonder if you guys ever played diablo before.

 

 

how does that look like wow? that's diablo, and that's it.

 

don't like it? prefer the old engine of d2? it's still running, buy a copy and play it.

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  MisterSr

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10/24/10 11:18:40 PM#104

I just don't understand the point of this, Diablo 3 looks like Diablo, and nothing like WoW or Warcraft.... I mean sure there are some similarities even in D2, but honestly, I just find this post silly. 

  mackdawg19

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10/24/10 11:31:26 PM#105

First off Diablo 3 is Diablo 3, not WoW. Gameplay is alot different that what you will get with WoW. That being said, people need to understand this game semi-resembles WoW and pretty much every game Blizzard does because of one huge thing, it's called low-poly count. Blizzard does this so all there games are compatible across almost all systems. If you were expecting something else like high end graphics etc., you will not get that from Blizzard. And to be honest, I think it's a good thing. Blizzard is a business, and business's like to make money and profit. You can't profit from a MMO if your selling yourself short by reducing your playerbase because of computer specs. Take a step back and see it from that perspective, and you will see why every game Blizzard churns out looks similar. And it will never change, so are we done here? Or shall we make more posts about how much Diablo is like WoW. Also, just for giggles. When Blizzard made WoW, they did use alot of the systems Diablo uses such as sets, skills, and skill trees. It's pretty common for game companies to share systems across multiple games. Cheers!

  Necrite666

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10/24/10 11:32:26 PM#106

If they were to re-release D2 including HD graphics I would prefere it over this D3 crap.

Far to bright and coloful artwork for a dark fantasy game. Hurts my eyes.

I Hope they have mercy on us and at least release a limited edition coming with a pair of shades.

Having to djust the brigthness level of my monitor each time i play would suck big time.

  Gothikaboy

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10/25/10 12:02:24 AM#107
Originally posted by SaintViktor

They look nothing alike and if some think they do take the rose colored glasses off. Diablo never ever looked like Warcraft until now.

 

Diablo 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuRLAuLuj9A

Warcraft - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxwSdjitqfs

He wasn't comparing D2 with WC3.

WC2 or SC.

Starcraft looks like the new diablo as it does with the old warcraft with a few upgrades.

Please do not hype any gam.. oh wait, nevermind... forgot what forum I was on.

  Stonedeye

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10/25/10 12:45:35 AM#108

 Well,hello!

Is my first time here and maybe the last.Like an introduction i'm an Diablo fan series and i've played those games since start.When b.net has started ive been there since 2000 to actual ladder,every ladder 10 years ( last 7years only on hardcore).

 I found on this site one of the most horrible comunity .The common words here are only "fail","hater","fanboy" "hype" started from the self-called "hardcore-elitist" gamers.Looks like u guys wait to bash every game and from my point of view , the MMORPG era is in continue regression bcs of this kind of people..For me is simple, games are maded to be played and have fun,when is not fun anymore im moving on another one.Games is an industry, was maded to make money ,even u liked or not this is the truth.About my favourite game i  want to take some points:

Diablo1 was maded as an pure dungeon crawler.Nothing more nothing less.From construction the game was darker bcs u got only underground levels without sunlight.

On Diablo2 u got  the same reason on dungeons and caves but on surface maps bcs of the old technology and shitty resolution  u maybe didnt realise but looks the same as Diablo 3 screens if u can try to imagine D2 on 1920x1200 resolution,maybe worst.

About cartoonish characters on D3,maybe u'll need a test,see pls character-creation screen on D2 and compare with D3 one.Characters have more similarities than differences.In my opinion they really tried to cover the lines even is not anymore Blizzard North.As a player who faces almost day by day Diablo 2 i'm not dissapointed with that.

I loved every D2 class and i've played all of them year by year and u think guys after 10 years of continous playing Im dissapointed about not being in D3? No! I'm very happy to try the new classes. As far as Blizzard will deliver pure fast-paced action , solid game-play and the adrenaline rush on hardcore mode i'll enjoy every moment.The only point who worried me on D3 was pvp arenas since ive enjoyed every PK kill on open world but if the rest of game is going right , i can live with that.
About the guys who rant about crossbows firing as automatic rifles im just laughing.Why the hell barb can spinning arround on whirlwind? is that real? hell no.Ama can split 1 arrow from her bow in 24+ arrows. Is that real?well..no, or a sorc firing her frost or fire bolts from an old rusty sword. No, it's not real. In Diablo world everything is possbile

Believe me or not i've been one of the Bill Ropes&co followers,i've played  Hellgate London a game with great ideas but bad decisions and after Torchlight who tried to re-invent the old good dungeon crawler,was fun for the moment but have no essence.After all i was dissapointed and came back on D2 the best action-rpg from my opinion.

As conclusion  some of u might take a breath of fresh-air,get away a while from ur sanctuary called MMORPG site, meet some friends if u got and after just go and play what u like and enjoy every moment.Life is short and deserve to be lived

 

ps: Sorry if i wrote something wrong but english is not my native language

  Jetrpg

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10/25/10 12:57:34 AM#109

My iussue is the small groups, whats up with that i have more than 4 e-gammers .... what is this the 80s?

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  devoux

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10/25/10 1:05:30 AM#110

Has anyone mentioned that Diablo 2 was released in 2000 and the expansion (which is what I played mostly online) was released in 2001? Blizzard would've taken some idea's from Warcraft but they would be minor in reference to characters. If anything World of Warcraft took idea's from Diablo 2. Keep in mind that they are the same F***ing company of course its going to match up in a lot of ways. Similar minds, similar games. ALSO keep in mind that prreeetty much every p2p game out there is the same in terms of quest system, interface, xp system, character party system, leveling system. Ya pretty much everything system out there.

Moral is, stop being such a turd and get on with your life.

  midmagic

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10/25/10 1:16:02 AM#111
Originally posted by devoux

Has anyone mentioned that Diablo 2 was released in 2000 and the expansion (which is what I played mostly online) was released in 2001?

Its funny. When WoW first came out, people whined quite a bit about how the green equipment was "copy/paste" of Diablo 2 (ability modifiers in the name of the item) and did not belong in an MMO world.

There is always some group that will whine about any decision made.

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  ThomasN7

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OP  10/25/10 8:08:18 AM#112
Originally posted by Ramonski7
Originally posted by SaintViktor

I never expected Diablo 3 to look like a carbon copy of 10 years ago but yet I did not expect it to look WoW either. From the art style to the lore it is all coming from Warcraft. I mean my god is this Diablo fans have really been waiting for ? The 5th class reveal looks like Sylvanas Windrunner with crossbows. I'm just waiting for the term "dark lady watch over us" spill out on a Demon Hunter cutscene. It really is a major disappointment how Blizzard is treating Diablo. Some things they have done well liek the rune system and the gems but overall its a big disappointment from a Diablo fans perspective. I'm seriously on the fence if I should even buy it now.

This is up there with the rest of the "I hate Blizzard's success with WoW and it's rubbing off on my other Blizzard IP!" crowd. If you look at the actual gameplay videos (not crappy still pics cause they don't do any game justice), you'll be hard press to see how it looks anything like WoW. So they give a nod to Sylvana Windrunner huh? Big deal. I mean they are both rangers right? Well one is a demon hunter and the other is a ranger, but then again I bet you caught the double nod about the class being called a demon hunter (something only Sylvana's race to strive to be).Or did you?  But isn't this game call Diablo? So wouldn't it make since that sooner or later a class would pop up that specialized in "hunting" demons? You know, hunters that use range weapons...

 

Anyway I think your real beef is that Blizzard is using illustrators that have done previous work for them with WoW, on the Diablo side of things. And I hope that's your real beef because you do know you can play a MR. Sylvana Windrunner right?

 How can I hate when i been a Diablo and Starcraft fan for many years ? Stop downplaying  it as hate because hate has nothing to do with it. Can't deal with others opinions then perhaps forum posting is not for you.

  Ramonski7

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10/25/10 3:50:06 PM#113
Originally posted by SaintViktor
Originally posted by Ramonski7
Originally posted by SaintViktor

I never expected Diablo 3 to look like a carbon copy of 10 years ago but yet I did not expect it to look WoW either. From the art style to the lore it is all coming from Warcraft. I mean my god is this Diablo fans have really been waiting for ? The 5th class reveal looks like Sylvanas Windrunner with crossbows. I'm just waiting for the term "dark lady watch over us" spill out on a Demon Hunter cutscene. It really is a major disappointment how Blizzard is treating Diablo. Some things they have done well liek the rune system and the gems but overall its a big disappointment from a Diablo fans perspective. I'm seriously on the fence if I should even buy it now.

This is up there with the rest of the "I hate Blizzard's success with WoW and it's rubbing off on my other Blizzard IP!" crowd. If you look at the actual gameplay videos (not crappy still pics cause they don't do any game justice), you'll be hard press to see how it looks anything like WoW. So they give a nod to Sylvana Windrunner huh? Big deal. I mean they are both rangers right? Well one is a demon hunter and the other is a ranger, but then again I bet you caught the double nod about the class being called a demon hunter (something only Sylvana's race to strive to be).Or did you?  But isn't this game call Diablo? So wouldn't it make since that sooner or later a class would pop up that specialized in "hunting" demons? You know, hunters that use range weapons...

 

Anyway I think your real beef is that Blizzard is using illustrators that have done previous work for them with WoW, on the Diablo side of things. And I hope that's your real beef because you do know you can play a MR. Sylvana Windrunner right?

 How can I hate when i been a Diablo and Starcraft fan for many years ? Stop downplaying  it as hate because hate has nothing to do with it. Can't deal with others opinions then perhaps forum posting is not for you.

That's like a grain of salt coming from a forum equivalent of a conversational rambler. Who is the one that can exactly deal with another person's opinion? You basically said that D3 was a carbon copy of WoW's graphics and myself along with a substantial amount of Diablo fans posted responds by pretty much saying we think you have your "WoW Influence Detection" goggles on too tight.

Both games ARE from the same freakin company. I'm sure you can spot a Bioware game from a Bethesda game. You know why right.....right. So why is it a suprise now that you think a Blizzard game won't feel like a Blizzard game? I think you've been irritated by Blizzard to the point that you want a totally different company to make D3. But that's not gonna happen. Blizzard has 3 IPs in 3 genres:

  • Starcraft-RTS genre
  • Warcraft-MMO genre
  • Diablo-Action RPG genre
But what you don't want to realize is that the RPG moniker links Warcraft and Diablo on more than one level and the fact that their both from the same company takes that a step further. Either you like Blizzard or you don't. But don't think that if you date two different sisters from the same family, you won't run into any familiar situations in your "new" relationship.


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  190100

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10/25/10 7:25:23 PM#114

Blizzard needs to fire whoever came up with the idea to use fugly WoW-style toon graphics. This isn't 1999.

I like realism, kthx.

  Frostbite05

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10/25/10 7:28:26 PM#115
Originally posted by 190100

Blizzard needs to fire whoever came up with the idea to use fugly WoW-style toon graphics. This isn't 1999.

I like realism, kthx.

Yup once realism becomes popular again we will talk.

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

10/25/10 7:33:56 PM#116
Originally posted by SaintViktor

I never expected Diablo 3 to look like a carbon copy of 10 years ago but yet I did not expect it to look WoW either.

I entirely agree OP

The game does not look dark or creepy or give me goose bumps in the cutscenes they've revield, I feel like I'm looking at the trailer to the burning crusade.

Diablo was dark, VERY dark, freakishly creepily dark, like disturbingly dark.

This looks... yes I'll say it, cartoonish, makes me laugh instead of the desired result.

  reguba

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10/25/10 9:08:45 PM#117

Hmm, I'm a little bit in the same boat as the OP. However, I guess I never really thought of it as WoW looking, but yes it is leaning much more towards cartoony than I would prefer. What I liked about the old Diablos was simply how DARK it was. I mean, the first two were very dark games. From what I've seen in trailers and gameplay footage it looks no where near as dark : / I'll still get it, because I'm sure it will be a blast. Just not the atmosphere I was hoping for.

  User Deleted
10/25/10 9:20:19 PM#118
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by SaintViktor

I never expected Diablo 3 to look like a carbon copy of 10 years ago but yet I did not expect it to look WoW either.

I entirely agree OP

The game does not look dark or creepy or give me goose bumps in the cutscenes they've revield, I feel like I'm looking at the trailer to the burning crusade.

Diablo was dark, VERY dark, freakishly creepily dark, like disturbingly dark.

This looks... yes I'll say it, cartoonish, makes me laugh instead of the desired result.

 Normally I try not to let graphics bother me, but I do agree in the case of Diablo, it feels like they're ruining the dark/horror feel that the first two games had.

Part of what made Diablo unique, at least for me, was it's scary atmosphere.

  twrule

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10/25/10 9:28:20 PM#119
Originally posted by Wolfenpride
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by SaintViktor

I never expected Diablo 3 to look like a carbon copy of 10 years ago but yet I did not expect it to look WoW either.

I entirely agree OP

The game does not look dark or creepy or give me goose bumps in the cutscenes they've revield, I feel like I'm looking at the trailer to the burning crusade.

Diablo was dark, VERY dark, freakishly creepily dark, like disturbingly dark.

This looks... yes I'll say it, cartoonish, makes me laugh instead of the desired result.

 Normally I try not to let graphics bother me, but I do agree in the case of Diablo, it feels like they're ruining the dark/horror feel that the first two games had.

Part of what made Diablo unique, at least for me, was it's scary atmosphere.

While I agree, I'm thinking that has less to do with the art style and more with the removal of the "light radius" mechanic.  Atleast, none of the screenshots seem to show that mechanic in place, but it could just be that they keep it off for exhibition purposes /shrug.

  mlambert890

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10/25/10 9:28:34 PM#120

I see what people are saying to some extent, but I also think that whats really happening is the inevitable power of nostalgia.  

 

Gaming franchises with a huge IP are damned if they do, damned if they dont.  If they never produce a sequel, people pine endlessly for one.  If they do, it is forced to compete with whatever personal, emotional, historic bond the fans have with the original.  An impossible task.  Nearly everyone is incapable of being objective with this, even if they *really* believe they are.

 

I was already an adult when I played Diablo.  It didnt seem "dark", "disturbing" or "scary" at all.  It looked liked little tiny, really well detailed, cartoons hacking away at each other.  Great game, but it was like Gauntlet on SUPER steroids to me.  Great art style, but it was still an isometric action dungeon crawler.

 

I agree that the art style has changed a bit, but to anyone with *zero* familiarity with the franchise, I am almost *certain* they'd see almost no difference.  To anyone whose memories of the original are *that* strong, I ask that you, for your own good, take a step back and consider where you were when you played it.  If you were an 11 year old sneaking game time in after mom and dad went to sleep, and now you are a cynical, jaded 21 year old arch gamer, PLEASE for the love of all that is unholy ACKNOWLEDGE that there is a CHANCE this is effecting your perception.  I know I know... You're objective, Im wrong, blah blah... LOL  Go poll a dozen non gamers and show them two screenshots and see if they agree with you that the difference is worth endless crusading and debate.

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