Originally posted by Harleking89

Yes, this is exactly what Diablo fans has been waiting for. EXACTLY. Because Diablo 3 is being made by people who LOVE Diablo and knows what kind of game it is. This is very apparent after listening to the developers. Diablo 3 is not World of Warcraft, at all, whatsoever. If you think Diablo 3 is "WoWablo 3", then I suggest you listen to makers of this game a few times. Art style you say? Oh I'm sorry, but DIablo 3 is not a 2D game. If it was, it would look alot like its predecessor right now. Yes, it would.

 We all know it isn't 2D but clearly they are avoiding the obvious like always. Noone ever said don't play Diablo 3 so if WoW fans get all defensive about other people's opinions then there obviously must be some truth to it since WoW fans do not wish ot understand. It its like they act like a bunch of 4 years crying If you tell them the power rangers are bad for you. It is mildly amusing I must say.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by Harleking89

Yes, this is exactly what Diablo fans has been waiting for. EXACTLY. Because Diablo 3 is being made by people who LOVE Diablo and knows what kind of game it is. This is very apparent after listening to the developers. Diablo 3 is not World of Warcraft, at all, whatsoever. If you think Diablo 3 is "WoWablo 3", then I suggest you listen to makers of this game a few times. Art style you say? Oh I'm sorry, but DIablo 3 is not a 2D game. If it was, it would look alot like its predecessor right now. Yes, it would.

 We all know it isn't 2D but clearly they are avoiding the obvious like always. Noone ever said don't play Diablo 3 so if WoW fans get all defensive about other people's opinions then there obviously must be some truth to it since WoW fans do not wish ot understand. It its like they act like a bunch of 4 years crying If you tell them the power rangers are bad for you. It is mildly amusing I must say.

What does that even mean? Looks to me like you wrote a nonsensical post that included "4 years crying" and the word "WoW" with a generally insulting attitude. But none of it actually made sense.

Why so angry?

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by Harleking89

Yes, this is exactly what Diablo fans has been waiting for. EXACTLY. Because Diablo 3 is being made by people who LOVE Diablo and knows what kind of game it is. This is very apparent after listening to the developers. Diablo 3 is not World of Warcraft, at all, whatsoever. If you think Diablo 3 is "WoWablo 3", then I suggest you listen to makers of this game a few times. Art style you say? Oh I'm sorry, but DIablo 3 is not a 2D game. If it was, it would look alot like its predecessor right now. Yes, it would.

 We all know it isn't 2D but clearly they are avoiding the obvious like always. Noone ever said don't play Diablo 3 so if WoW fans get all defensive about other people's opinions then there obviously must be some truth to it since WoW fans do not wish ot understand. It its like they act like a bunch of 4 years crying If you tell them the power rangers are bad for you. It is mildly amusing I must say.

No more than a pathetic opinion based on hatred of another game.

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by Harleking89

Yes, this is exactly what Diablo fans has been waiting for. EXACTLY. Because Diablo 3 is being made by people who LOVE Diablo and knows what kind of game it is. This is very apparent after listening to the developers. Diablo 3 is not World of Warcraft, at all, whatsoever. If you think Diablo 3 is "WoWablo 3", then I suggest you listen to makers of this game a few times. Art style you say? Oh I'm sorry, but DIablo 3 is not a 2D game. If it was, it would look alot like its predecessor right now. Yes, it would.

 We all know it isn't 2D but clearly they are avoiding the obvious like always. Noone ever said don't play Diablo 3 so if WoW fans get all defensive about other people's opinions then there obviously must be some truth to it since WoW fans do not wish ot understand. It its like they act like a bunch of 4 years crying If you tell them the power rangers are bad for you. It is mildly amusing I must say.

What does that even mean? Looks to me like you wrote a nonsensical post that included "4 years crying" and the word "WoW" with a generally insulting attitude. But none of it actually made sense.

 

Why so angry?

 Who said I was angry about anything ? I'll bite this last time but sersiouly, if you aren't bringing anything something of substance to the conversation we are all having then why try to stray away from the subject at hand ? Nice try.

Meh, i'm disappointed with the artstyle and the 5th class too.

Anyway i'll just set the contrast up and the brightness of my monitor down to play it.

I'm not a ranged fan so no problem to me, i'm sticking with my monk.

One nice thing is that at least the blood is still in. Monks exploding palm for the win.

Feels bad for all the people expecting a good ranger class though.

I know my opinion won't mean jack crap to a lot of people, but the reason I quit playing WoW was because Blizzard changed the warcraft lore based on what fans want. The game became something totally different from what it started out to be and I am not saying that was a bad business choice or that I hate blizzard for making a choice like that. What I dislike is that they ruined probably my favorite game franchise of all time. WoW is not what I grew up playing, the storyline and lore is something made to get children and non-gamers into the market, it's smart for blizzard but bad for warcraft fans. That being said starcraft and diablo were also favorites of mine, they were unique and it seemed blizzard was putting out games no one could touch. I LOVED them. What I see now though is that blizzard is taking all the successful parts of their games and including them into other games. While this is smart business wise I feel like diablo doesn't have that same dark edge that it did in the original, it's more an RPG then that dark, gritty, shadowed dungeon crawler it started as. I remember entering the cypts and being chased by hordes of zombies, being lucky enough to find one tome to get a skill up. Now its leveling a skill tree with skills found in wow, it's playing starcraft and seeing wow and diablo references. I am not saying this wasn't smart by blizzard, or that people can't enjoy the games because of what blizzard did. But if you have played all three franchises you have to see the connection, it's not about hating the games or trying to be a jerk. I do see what the OP was saying, I miss the originality that each game had, the uniqueness that you had when you put them in. I know that all games steal from each other, but the stories have lost something by this convergence of the three games they offer. I know people will try to flame me for this but it isn't my intention to bash the games, simply to say I miss what they were and I am sad that games have lost that originality I had growing up.

I can't believe the ignorance in this thread and how much flak the posters are giving the OP....

Yes I CLEARLY can see WoW in Diablo 3 freaking bright as day.... I DO not want this AT ALL. Anyone who states otherwise is blind or lying. Also Blizzard make so much money, for those saying oh they use the same engine... their games take so damn long to make if they need a new game engine to make a darker grittier more realistic game than do it!

Honestly though I really thought Diablo was going to evolve into something much bigger than just a top down dungeon crawler, I don't think this game style can hold my attention like it use to back in the 1999.

Oh and also with the latest announcement of arenas it seems like its gonna be like playing DoTA except if you pick a $hitty character / build combination with your friends there goes months of time down the drain.

Originally posted by tswthoradin

I know my opinion won't mean jack crap to a lot of people, but the reason I quit playing WoW was because Blizzard changed the warcraft lore based on what fans want. The game became something totally different from what it started out to be and I am not saying that was a bad business choice or that I hate blizzard for making a choice like that. What I dislike is that they ruined probably my favorite game franchise of all time. WoW is not what I grew up playing, the storyline and lore is something made to get children and non-gamers into the market, it's smart for blizzard but bad for warcraft fans. That being said starcraft and diablo were also favorites of mine, they were unique and it seemed blizzard was putting out games no one could touch. I LOVED them. What I see now though is that blizzard is taking all the successful parts of their games and including them into other games. While this is smart business wise I feel like diablo doesn't have that same dark edge that it did in the original, it's more an RPG then that dark, gritty, shadowed dungeon crawler it started as. I remember entering the cypts and being chased by hordes of zombies, being lucky enough to find one tome to get a skill up. Now its leveling a skill tree with skills found in wow, it's playing starcraft and seeing wow and diablo references. I am not saying this wasn't smart by blizzard, or that people can't enjoy the games because of what blizzard did. But if you have played all three franchises you have to see the connection, it's not about hating the games or trying to be a jerk. I do see what the OP was saying, I miss the originality that each game had, the uniqueness that you had when you put them in. I know that all games steal from each other, but the stories have lost something by this convergence of the three games they offer. I know people will try to flame me for this but it isn't my intention to bash the games, simply to say I miss what they were and I am sad that games have lost that originality I had growing up.

Blizzard "use" to be a great corporation back when Diablo, Warcraft, and Starcraft were fame, but now it's all just greed.

I used to play WoW during vanilla and it was great, good texture excellent content and balanced game. But when they released TBC it just ruined it completely not only that the content they released is just garbage. If they release Expansions aren't the expansions suppose to have all the contents? Also ever since when Starcraft 2 came out i was hoping to see some mod designs like how it was in Starcraft 1 but instead they removed the modding support,  removing freedom from what we can create or do. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/08/starcraft-2-the-latest-game-to-control-user-created-content.ars

And what about this "The fee is used to support the costs associated with the high-quality levels of service, support, and ongoing content creation that go into World of Warcraft* i called that BS the real true their just Money making scam. Want proof here's proof http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3870630#3870630 this is credited to Shinami for this well excellent info. 

Originally posted by Kenaoshi

Instead of making a comparison with wow why not make a comparison with ALL OTHER FUCKING GAMES ON EARTH and you will see there´s NOTHING original, it´s all very similar beacuse DAMN a crossbow here is the same in wow, in torchlight in gothic 4 and all other damn FANTASY games. ¬¬

I had no idea a crossbow was fantasy related.

Originally posted by Jimmy562

Originally posted by Kenaoshi

Instead of making a comparison with wow why not make a comparison with ALL OTHER FUCKING GAMES ON EARTH and you will see there´s NOTHING original, it´s all very similar beacuse DAMN a crossbow here is the same in wow, in torchlight in gothic 4 and all other damn FANTASY games. ¬¬

I had no idea a crossbow was fantasy related.

What you think that crossbows are real? You need to take a step back from the games buddy and join the rest of us on earth. Next thing you'll tell me people actually ride horses.

Originally posted by colddog04

Is this just some indirect way to express your extreme dislike for WoW?

That is just wrong and beside the point. Diablo is it's own IP and have it's own fans, mixing it with Wow is as smart as putting in things from Wow into Starcraft.

If and I say if the game actually is closer to Wow than Diablo it would be a huge mistake by Blizz and would be the end for the fans of the IP. In that case making a Warcraft action game would have been a lot smarter because they wont sell much of Diablo 4 then if they make a sequel at all.

Mixing up your IPs have never been a good idea.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by colddog04

Is this just some indirect way to express your extreme dislike for WoW?

That is just wrong and beside the point. Diablo is it's own IP and have it's own fans, mixing it with Wow is as smart as putting in things from Wow into Starcraft.

If and I say if the game actually is closer to Wow than Diablo it would be a huge mistake by Blizz and would be the end for the fans of the IP. In that case making a Warcraft action game would have been a lot smarter because they wont sell much of Diablo 4 then if they make a sequel at all.

Mixing up your IPs have never been a good idea.

I think that if you would go and look into his post history you would quickly see that it was indeed just another way to express his dislike for WoW.

That's not to say that I don't think the person in the video he mentions looks like Sylvanas. It kind of does look like Sylvanas. In the end, much of WoW is based on Diablo. And they are actually creating Diablo 3, not WoWablo or whatever this rubbish is.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

I never expected Diablo 3 to look like a carbon copy of 10 years ago but yet I did not expect it to look WoW either. From the art style to the lore it is all coming from Warcraft. I mean my god is this Diablo fans have really been waiting for ? The 5th class reveal looks like Sylvanas Windrunner with crossbows. I'm just waiting for the term "dark lady watch over us" spill out on a Demon Hunter cutscene. It really is a major disappointment how Blizzard is treating Diablo. Some things they have done well liek the rune system and the gems but overall its a big disappointment from a Diablo fans perspective. I'm seriously on the fence if I should even buy it now.

I really agree with you mate.

I had the same feeling when i saw demon hunter and it totally sucks.

Diablo is dead Blizzard is dead.Why they dont vanish from earth so they can make something good to this world.

Wake up guys Blizzard has been abandoned by core development teams that created these games and formed their own studios.

Do not support them for the good of gaming.

I could care less what the game looks like or what some character class looks likes.

I could care less that the game has arenas and WOW does too.

I could care less that there are both a Paladin and Druid class in both games.

As a long time player on the Diablo franchise, all I care about is that there will be millions of mobs for me to fight and kill and lots of loot to be had.

Everything else is icing on the cake.

The only thing stopping me from buying the game is lack of LAN support.

The OP has a history of Blizzhate. Move along, nothing intelligent to see here. Your posts are really annoying to come across.

Also about Lan support, do you really need it anymore? The internet is so accesible these days that playing online is a pretty easy prospect. I can't see why lan support could stop you from buying a game that will have multiplayer online and offline singleplayer.

What do you need lan support for?

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by colddog04

Is this just some indirect way to express your extreme dislike for WoW?

That is just wrong and beside the point. Diablo is it's own IP and have it's own fans, mixing it with Wow is as smart as putting in things from Wow into Starcraft.

If and I say if the game actually is closer to Wow than Diablo it would be a huge mistake by Blizz and would be the end for the fans of the IP. In that case making a Warcraft action game would have been a lot smarter because they wont sell much of Diablo 4 then if they make a sequel at all.

Mixing up your IPs have never been a good idea.

Loke, I usually agree with you. You probably noticed this as I did when WoW was launched. Word of Warcraft was a mix from the beginning of Warcraft lore and Diablo. I mix you are seeing is Diablo mixed with WoW but the other way around. Warcraft went from being an RTS to a fantasy RPG. 

The only reason I can think of why this was done and not World of Diablo, was because they were afraid devil being in the title would hurt sells.

Originally posted by Ranyr

The OP has a history of Blizzhate. Move along, nothing intelligent to see here. Your posts are really annoying to come across.

 

Also about Lan support, do you really need it anymore? The internet is so accesible these days that playing online is a pretty easy prospect. I can't see why lan support could stop you from buying a game that will have multiplayer online and offline singleplayer.

What do you need lan support for?

We have guy weekends where we eat junk, play LAN games. Diablo has always been a fun one. I don't like having to be online to play the game. There is no need for that. 

We can also still play Diablo at our LAN games. I don't want to have to rely on Blizzard servers to play a game I purchase with friends. What happens when the game gets old and they discontinue support of the servers? There goes the product I purchased.

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by Ranyr

The OP has a history of Blizzhate. Move along, nothing intelligent to see here. Your posts are really annoying to come across.

 

Also about Lan support, do you really need it anymore? The internet is so accesible these days that playing online is a pretty easy prospect. I can't see why lan support could stop you from buying a game that will have multiplayer online and offline singleplayer.

What do you need lan support for?

Pirating the game.

 

Really the only huge reason to care about lan is if you planned on piratting the game.

 

And yes, installing one copy of a game on 20 pcs is pirating it.

It's about freedom. You look like an ass assuming that you know why people prefer LAN option.

Originally posted by qombi

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by Ranyr

The OP has a history of Blizzhate. Move along, nothing intelligent to see here. Your posts are really annoying to come across.

 

Also about Lan support, do you really need it anymore? The internet is so accesible these days that playing online is a pretty easy prospect. I can't see why lan support could stop you from buying a game that will have multiplayer online and offline singleplayer.

What do you need lan support for?

Pirating the game.

 

Really the only huge reason to care about lan is if you planned on piratting the game.

 

And yes, installing one copy of a game on 20 pcs is pirating it.

It's about freedom. You look like an ass assuming that you know why people prefer LAN option.

And yet here you are not giving any more reasons.

Wanting it for the sake of having it isnt a good reason, and the only thing ive ever sene people complain about is how now they cant buy onje copy and have multiple people play it.