I agree that the article was something along the lines of pitting a toddler up against a rottweiler - it was just not going to end well for STO.

That said, there have been a few interesting match-ups mentioned that I'd like to see:

Darkfall vs. EVE would be a good one given the similar player-bases.

SW:TOR will be really interesting after it's been released.

...and for nostalgia's sake, pre-CU SWG vs. EVE.  I love both games, but I'd personally have to give EVE the nod here, though it'd be close; pre-CU SWG just had too many awesome and unique mechanics and methods of gameplay.

Originally posted by mirkrim

Originally posted by jaxsundane

Originally posted by colddog04

I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...

 

EVE was released in 2003.

 

STO was released in 2010.

 

In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.

 I think for what was compared the release dates of the games don't matter much if at all.  Many of the problems that give STO low marks are based strictly off of design decisions and not a lack of development time, will they add more places to go in the game sure but if it is still designed like open space is now it will always compare unfavorably against EVE which actually feels like a vast expanse of space.

I think we all know older doesn't mean better even in mmorpgs Dark And Light is now an older game and is still worse than most anything released since it.

 

This.  The majority of problems with STO have to do with the fundamental design of the game.  It is literally built on the Champions Online game engine, which is why it has the exact same heavy instancing, grossly oversized proportions, and lack of mission depth, among other issues.  The Champions Online engine is simply not built for the kind of massive universe exploration that defines the Star Trek IP.  What the game needs isn't more development time; it needs a significant overhaul of the game architecture.

People would have said the exact same thing about eve 7 years ago. "This game has fundamental design flaws." Actually,  a lot of people used those words exactly and often.

Right! Today counts.

I am so tired of released games that should be still in development state.

And I am tired of games that are just to simple to be more than some weeks to "endgame".

I do not like to fight children. There has to be more than a competition who hits the button faster or has almost unlimited time to play and improve.

Thats why I play EVE... brain counts.

Pointless article. Its like making World of Warcraft vs Alganon fighting thread

I see, there is no need for any Ali or Tyson vs. "insert tomato can here" references as it appears I've already been beaten to the punch (pun intended).

Originally posted by viditorum

Yeah I agree with this one hands down and I have never played EVE. I unfortunately did get suckered and dropped the cash to get the lifetime on STO. So here I sit waiting for STO to hopefuly get it's version of an NGE 

 So you want STO to die then.

Originally posted by toxicmango

EVE is garbage because of one fundamental and fatal flaw:  the developers have sticky fingers and cheat.  No amount of bling or features can compensate for players paying to play a rigged game for the amusement of the developers.   It's no true sandbox when you can find yourself on the opposite team from the developers and their buddies and they set up or "rig" your side to take the fall for their jollies. 

Endgame in EVE is a joke.  Sorry but I don't call being a faceless cog in some alliance an endgame, when all they're really doing is doing the same thing street gangs do: an endless largeley pointless fight for turf. 

 

CSM was made to counter that dev cheating, it's worked far beyond it's orginal purpose imo. Not to mention the first part of the comment is about something that is years old and the alliance that was part of it is no more.

Now the second part of your comment, your point?  " an endless largeley pointless fight for turf. " Can be said about any game. "Just endless shooting stuff for kills." 

It's your problem you have a problem being part of something greater then yourself.

Originally posted by AG-Vuk

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by shakermaker0

 

Also, Eve Online versus Star Trek Online- is it a fair comparison? I am going to say yes, as both share a common genre element. Sure, it's sand box versus theme park but on the general idea that these are the foremost representations of Space MMORPGs, I think it fair to consider these worthy of the comparison.

lol.... no it isn't a fair comparison. Not just because it's sandbox vs. themepark though. The reason it isn't a fair comparison is that this just aren't 2 balanced opponents. There was never any question on anyones minds who would be the victor, even the STO fans know that EvE is light years beyond what STO could ever hope to be. You compared basically a name brand item to an off brand item thats been recalled and asked which is better. You just took something that everyone else already knows, wrote up an article on it and said "in your opinion". 

I mean come on, you have to see how the article is akin to things as asinine as what I'm writing below. 

 

"In my opinion the world is round, here is an article of mine discussing both theories written in 2010"

 

"In my opinion Mike Tyson could knock out your average 10 year old boy if they were to fight him, here is why"

 

"In my opinion I think diet and exercise is better than taking fen-phen" 

 

 

 

lol... 

 

 Yes , but whose fault is that ? Cryptic launched the game with full knowledge that it wasn't ready . Once they entered the market the gloves were off , putting it mildly , they exposed themselves to criticing and comparison . To say it's not fair is childish and immature. Cryptic bears the responsiblity for releasing a half-assed product in a genre that contains a tough competition and will get tougher with time.  Someone needs a nappy , I think.

lol, well I hate to burst your bubble but I'm not saying it's not a fair comparison because I like STO or think it should get a fair shake. 

I said it wasn't a fair comparison to show my disinterest in the subject. Also it was part of the whole, stating something thats common knowledge and saying in my opinion is a bit asinine lol. 

STO was bad, still is, everyone already knows it. It's been weighed and measured already and the results are in, it sucks. So ... the author of the article took something thats been bashed and slammed just about everywhere and known to be a shoddy inferior product,  put it in a vs. type article against an award winning MMO, thats been one of the few MMO's to see a steady increase in it's subs and never the large dip most MMO's suffer. 

Do you see my issue yet, or do I need to break it down even more for you?

Hope this was simple enough for you to grasp this time around :) 

And it's ok if you need a nappy but theres no need to inform us about it. 

Just give me EVE Online with a more active combat system similar to STO's and I'll be happy.

dis be funny shits..... ones an mmorts/ and the others just shit....

Originally posted by Sanguinous

Lack of mission depth?  Have you ever played Eve lol

Yeah I have, and I'm not a particular fan of the game.  But the fact that EVE also has grinding doesn't make STO a better game.

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by mirkrim

Originally posted by jaxsundane

Originally posted by colddog04

I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...

 

EVE was released in 2003.

 

STO was released in 2010.

 

In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.

 I think for what was compared the release dates of the games don't matter much if at all.  Many of the problems that give STO low marks are based strictly off of design decisions and not a lack of development time, will they add more places to go in the game sure but if it is still designed like open space is now it will always compare unfavorably against EVE which actually feels like a vast expanse of space.

I think we all know older doesn't mean better even in mmorpgs Dark And Light is now an older game and is still worse than most anything released since it.

 

This.  The majority of problems with STO have to do with the fundamental design of the game.  It is literally built on the Champions Online game engine, which is why it has the exact same heavy instancing, grossly oversized proportions, and lack of mission depth, among other issues.  The Champions Online engine is simply not built for the kind of massive universe exploration that defines the Star Trek IP.  What the game needs isn't more development time; it needs a significant overhaul of the game architecture.

People would have said the exact same thing about eve 7 years ago. "This game has fundamental design flaws." Actually,  a lot of people used those words exactly and often.

 

True, but unless I'm mistaken, an open persistent world has been EVE's foundation all along.  Seven years of development time hasn't changed that fact.  STO, on the other hand, is literally Champions Online with a Star Trek skin.  That's about as far from an open persistent world as you can get in an MMO.

onto the next matchup, mike tyson vs steven hawking

Originally posted by colddog04

I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...

 

EVE was released in 2003.

 

STO was released in 2010.

 

In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.

 

agreed 100% with this, as someone who has played both games and is currently logged into STO as I type.

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by colddog04

I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...

 

EVE was released in 2003.

 

STO was released in 2010.

 

In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.

You think STO is going to make 7 years, 7 years full of developments and upgrades?

 

absolutely. SWG was ruined by SOE and is still running. STO has tons of potential with dstahl at the helm, but it needs some serious work in these Seasons (major content upgrades/patches) to come.

Originally posted by patient32

Wo wo wo. I got to the start of your article and had to stop reading to post this.

Star Trek Online is NOT Gene Roddenberry's creation and if Gene is returned to us one day he will be very unhappy with Cryptic forcing the "perfect circle" shape of Star Trek into their "square hole" of a game that is severely lacking.

 

Star Trek has been free of Gene's vision from quite some time now. It was nice, but very unrealistic.

Originally posted by TookyG

Originally posted by HitechLolife

The trek lore-heads (the remaining players..) should do some great work with it.

Trek fandom is 99% crap (STO very much included!).  I highly doubt anything good will come out of user-generated content for STO.

 

lol I can pull things out of my ass too

MMORPG.com articles are 99% crap! (this article very much included!)

Originally posted by ClingingMars

Originally posted by TookyG

Originally posted by HitechLolife

The trek lore-heads (the remaining players..) should do some great work with it.

Trek fandom is 99% crap (STO very much included!).  I highly doubt anything good will come out of user-generated content for STO.

 

lol I can pull things out of my ass too

MMORPG.com articles are 99% crap! (this article very much included!)

Stating my opinion that the vast majority of Trek fandom is crap is pulling things out of my ass?

Because the writer of the article is judging both games as if they were released at the same time.  Instead of one that has been established with a committed following and another that has just barely learned to walk.

I agree completely. While I myself don't like EVE Online, I have to admit it's a great game.

While I love Star Trek, I have to admit Cryptic butchered/blundered and cheated everyone they came in contact with.