Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by Kriosis

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Kriosis

Originally posted by impiro

This is the problem with you fanbois, you CHOOSE the things to reply to and ignore the rest and take the things you do reply to out of context for convenience. I have no hate for ToR. I do not completely dislike this game as it isn't even out yet and much can still change. Yet, I am critical of the info and actual gameplay videos released.

I'm gonna take you for what you come off as, a moron. Look, you've given me nothing to prove. What has BioWare claimed and not shown or talked about in depth, they haven't talked about Endgame or shown it, what else? I find it ironic that you're GW2 cheering ass (In the wrong forums I'll add) is here talking about fanboism. GG, moron. I have no reason to convince you, I'm offering you information, if you don't like it take your ass back to the GW2 forums. Christ, you can't be this ignorant, can you?...Oh right, mmorpg.com, it's notorious for your type.

Edit: Actually use that brain, learn to research, there are plenty of LEAKED videos that show recent gameplay and map exploration. Or do you need to be spoon fed like the rest?

I wouldn't go that far Kriosis,   the problem with impiro is that he looked over the thread,  but he didn't bother to track down the links at the bottom to view the information.  Anyone with any genuine interest would take 5 minutes to type in something like SWTOR Gameplay into a site we call YouTube,  maybe even sort by date and look at the most recent ones.  Theres more then enough information out there,  but those that want to downplay TOR like to be kept in the dark, and give no quarter on any gameplay features, new, improved, or otherwise.  The basic stance is "We are not impressed".  

 

Lets not bother with trying to police these kinds of people.  We cannot change their opinion,  just point out there misinformation.  

Ignorance is bliss. It's a quality for them, stay ignorant and you can never be wrong because you will never know if you're right.

I hate resorting to insults, but damn, I'm gonna start using this fancy little ignore list.

Maskedweasel really that was low especially considering you are aproving of the behavior of Kriosis which is offensive and out of line. Also the things is that still my point isn't really false at all. Again you people asume that when I say that there is no proof of something, that I automaticly think the oposite. I never did that in any of my posts at all. All i was talking about was hype of GW2 and ToR and how I felt that GW2 deserved more hype because it had more actual footage. That doesnt even say I like GW2 better and ToR less. You peopel read what you want and that is what I pointed out to Kriosis......

I doubt he agreed with my insulting, he doesn't seem like that type. I think he agreed more with you ignoring information and/or not actually looking into it. You can argue that you're not against or with TOR all you want, fact is you're in the TOR boards and wasn't here until GW2 was mentioned. Btw, you've already admitted to not looking into TOR for months, you couldn't even recall your last look at the game properly.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Drachasor

Funny.  Sanya thinks he's legit, but was wrong about the reason she was fired (but doesn't deny the event Louse says happened, just some of the details).  So you conclude the guy isn't legit even though people who know more think otherwise.

I think you'll find pretty much any employee has some wrong ideas about events they aren't directly connected to.  That happens.  Interestingly enough, Sanya didn't think anything else needed to be corrected.

That said, Open Beta should tell us how things will be.  People shouldn't get so worked up.

 

Sanya also couldn't comment about the TOR information,  and truthfully neither could "Louse"  yet he did.  The entire idea behind the blog was to lash out irrationally at anything having to do with EA or Mythic.  He could have kept to only the problems with Warhammer,  but he went on to talk about EA financials and a game that he did not work on,  and he spoke as if he had inside information.

 

His claims on why he believes the game itself is a failure cannot be proven and is less likely to have any merits at all considering the bloggers position and location.  Had this been a blog by Sean Dahlberg,  maybe I'd take it seriously.

 

 

::edit:: Also Drachasor,  when I say your name in my head I think of Drachasaur... like you're a dinosaur.  I think you should have a dinosaur avatar.....   lets make this thing official.

I agree we can't tell about the TOR information at all.  Maybe Louse works on the TOR team or interfaces with them, maybe he doesn't (obviously he can't say since that would probably reveal his identity if he was on the team).  Info at this time is going to be sketchy anyhow, even if ti was accurate.  Things can change, especially when it is some nebulous stuff like Louse implied (and truly, the TOR stuff was just a tiny comment on his part).  Like I said, the Open Beta should tell us a lot about the game's quality.  If a lot of content isn't in the Open Beta (that's a bad sign), then I'd suggest holding off on buying the game until a month or three after release.  In any case, today prudence shall be our watchword.

Hmm, my friends when I played FFXI thought I was an paleontologist because of my name.  I usually get a dragon avatar of some sort ("Drache" is German for "Dragon").  It's similar to a dinosaur.

Originally posted by impiro

 

Maskedweasel really that was low especially considering you are aproving of the behavior of Kriosis which is offensive and out of line. Also the things is that still my point isn't really false at all. Again you people asume that when I say that there is no proof of something, that I automaticly think the oposite. I never did that in any of my posts at all. All i was talking about was hype of GW2 and ToR and how I felt that GW2 deserved more hype because it had more actual footage. That doesnt even say I like GW2 better and ToR less. You peopel read what you want and that is what I pointed out to Kriosis......

What do you expect when every post you make is throwing around an accusation of fanboism? Here's the bottom line, no one is a fanboi because they are shooting this blogger down. It doesn't matter who he is, his information said nothing, there's absolutely nothing of value in what he said.

You can feel however you want about how Bioware has been releasing information. If it's not enough for you, it's simple, avoid the game until everything about it is known, then you can make a decision based on the information that comes to light. There's nothing to argue about here, it's mind boggling a few short sentences about TOR can cause so much bickering.

Regarding GW2 who gives a flying ****, this the TOR forum, GW2 has no place in these discussions.

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by Kriosis

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Kriosis

Originally posted by impiro

This is the problem with you fanbois, you CHOOSE the things to reply to and ignore the rest and take the things you do reply to out of context for convenience. I have no hate for ToR. I do not completely dislike this game as it isn't even out yet and much can still change. Yet, I am critical of the info and actual gameplay videos released.

I'm gonna take you for what you come off as, a moron. Look, you've given me nothing to prove. What has BioWare claimed and not shown or talked about in depth, they haven't talked about Endgame or shown it, what else? I find it ironic that you're GW2 cheering ass (In the wrong forums I'll add) is here talking about fanboism. GG, moron. I have no reason to convince you, I'm offering you information, if you don't like it take your ass back to the GW2 forums. Christ, you can't be this ignorant, can you?...Oh right, mmorpg.com, it's notorious for your type.

Edit: Actually use that brain, learn to research, there are plenty of LEAKED videos that show recent gameplay and map exploration. Or do you need to be spoon fed like the rest?

I wouldn't go that far Kriosis,   the problem with impiro is that he looked over the thread,  but he didn't bother to track down the links at the bottom to view the information.  Anyone with any genuine interest would take 5 minutes to type in something like SWTOR Gameplay into a site we call YouTube,  maybe even sort by date and look at the most recent ones.  Theres more then enough information out there,  but those that want to downplay TOR like to be kept in the dark, and give no quarter on any gameplay features, new, improved, or otherwise.  The basic stance is "We are not impressed".  

 

Lets not bother with trying to police these kinds of people.  We cannot change their opinion,  just point out there misinformation.  

Ignorance is bliss. It's a quality for them, stay ignorant and you can never be wrong because you will never know if you're right.

I hate resorting to insults, but damn, I'm gonna start using this fancy little ignore list.

Maskedweasel really that was low especially considering you are aproving of the behavior of Kriosis which is offensive and out of line. Also the things is that still my point isn't really false at all. Again you people asume that when I say that there is no proof of something, that I automaticly think the oposite. I never did that in any of my posts at all. All i was talking about was hype of GW2 and ToR and how I felt that GW2 deserved more hype because it had more actual footage. That doesnt even say I like GW2 better and ToR less. You peopel read what you want and that is what I pointed out to Kriosis......

I wasn't approving of any behavior,  I was trying to make him realize that you were not interested in finding this information for yourself.  I didn't want Kriosis to lose his temper over something that cannot be helped, which are posters that can very well be oblivious to current features in the game.    In an earlier post you said you weren't sure what you were looking at (in regards to the link he posted),  and that the link/thread he posted had a lot of the information (but nothing was shown). What you didn't know is that the thread linked all of the information too, and even expanded on it in some aspects.

Everyone who knows me here knows that I'm excited for TOR,  but I cannot (or rather would not) police peoples opinions because I don't want people to not voice them.  I may not agree with them, but I can't change them.   The most I can do is direct others to a larger wealth of information as Kriosis tried to do.  We can't be held responsible for what people choose to do with that information,  we can only react afterwards.

Originally posted by cyphers

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by cyphers

2 Sorry, but I must admit I do nto post often but do read a lot of the forums. You always jump on anyone being critical and go in full defense mode and most of the time it is totally unnecessary.....

Nope, uninformed gut-feeling comments, or hate campaigns as some disgruntled SWG vets and sandbox lovers hold or overtly biased repetitive criticising just because a game isn't their type, is what can get me annoyed. Sometimes it just makes me roll my eyes or chuckle, but when the annoyance reaches a threshold or when the mood strikes I post.

WOW, again you prove to be someone who takes things out of context. I;m clearly not the only one was refering to the previous sentence.. I do not think this will be a SRPG at all, I do not think anything. I just havn't seen anything yet, that tells me otherwise. That doesn't me it is not there till I see it, it means I do not know till I see it. Clearly I have missed info though. So what? Is this some kind of contest? Or maybe this wasn't a discussion but a debate?

Maybe you read my post wrong: you said you weren't convinced SW:TOR would be a full blown MMORPG, right after that you say "I'm clearly not the only" and then you use as an example people saying SWTOR is a SRPG with some multiplay elements. The way you worded your comments highly suggest that you consider yourself to "not be the only one" but to be among other people saying that SW:TOR isn't a fullblown MMO and/or a SRPG. That is what your post led to be concluded. If that is as you say the wrong interpretation, alright, no problem with that. That's what discussions are for, sharing insights and viewpoints and where needed clarifications.

In orangy

Well thanks this repsonse.. What I meant with the context issue is that I am not convinced this is a full blown MMO and that other people also arn't and SOME actually think that its just a SRPG, proving that people really arn't convinced at all. I do not think it will be a SRPG, yet I am also not 100% convinced it isn't. The outcome will be either release or actual proof (that I have missed clearly :P).

I might have come of a bit pissed, but really I was just trying to have a discussion with these people here but they kept twisting my words (which are sometimes indeed poorly chosen as my spelling in english sucks so I use a more limited vocab) and pulling things I said out of context.

As far as I remember sanya weathers never said she thought he was or was not legit. She only spoke so she could clear up some misinformation that was in his post about her. Than she said that she didn't mean to give "fanboys ammo"  , because she also has some sort of an axe to grind with this company.

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by cyphers

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by cyphers

2 Sorry, but I must admit I do nto post often but do read a lot of the forums. You always jump on anyone being critical and go in full defense mode and most of the time it is totally unnecessary.....

Nope, uninformed gut-feeling comments, or hate campaigns as some disgruntled SWG vets and sandbox lovers hold or overtly biased repetitive criticising just because a game isn't their type, is what can get me annoyed. Sometimes it just makes me roll my eyes or chuckle, but when the annoyance reaches a threshold or when the mood strikes I post.

WOW, again you prove to be someone who takes things out of context. I;m clearly not the only one was refering to the previous sentence.. I do not think this will be a SRPG at all, I do not think anything. I just havn't seen anything yet, that tells me otherwise. That doesn't me it is not there till I see it, it means I do not know till I see it. Clearly I have missed info though. So what? Is this some kind of contest? Or maybe this wasn't a discussion but a debate?

Maybe you read my post wrong: you said you weren't convinced SW:TOR would be a full blown MMORPG, right after that you say "I'm clearly not the only" and then you use as an example people saying SWTOR is a SRPG with some multiplay elements. The way you worded your comments highly suggest that you consider yourself to "not be the only one" but to be among other people saying that SW:TOR isn't a fullblown MMO and/or a SRPG. That is what your post led to be concluded. If that is as you say the wrong interpretation, alright, no problem with that. That's what discussions are for, sharing insights and viewpoints and where needed clarifications.

In orangy

Well thanks this repsonse.. What I meant with the context issue is that I am not convinced this is a full blown MMO and that other people also arn't and SOME actually think that its just a SRPG, proving that people really arn't convinced at all. I do not think it will be a SRPG, yet I am also not 100% convinced it isn't. The outcome will be either release or actual proof (that I have missed clearly :P).

I might have come of a bit pissed, but really I was just trying to have a discussion with these people here but they kept twisting my words (which are sometimes indeed poorly chosen as my spelling in english sucks so I use a more limited vocab) and pulling things I said out of context.

Contradictions, we twist your words? Then you admit to your english being rather bad?

And didn't masked link you something or explain to you group play has been demonstrated a few times? Destroying "It's a SPRPG" theory? Sorry, but I stil think you're just ignoring the truth. Actually I linked you a great deal of info, all in one link.

To me; this seems like some punk shooting off at the mouth. I have to be honest the community I game with, the one that I need to make things work. It makes me nervous. It's so negative it's beyond belief. It's made so many products 'fail' than it ever has succeed (Fallen Earth, Star Trek on-line, FF14, APB, Aion?!, age of conan) . To the point, were creating a great on-line multi player game, almost doesn't seem worth the hard work. 

Please start being positive about this game, Bioware do know how to make good video games! I wish they made dragon age on-line...

Disgruntled soon to be ex-employees are often an excellent source of non-biased information about their soon to be former employer.

Originally posted by Kriosis

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by cyphers

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by cyphers

2 Sorry, but I must admit I do nto post often but do read a lot of the forums. You always jump on anyone being critical and go in full defense mode and most of the time it is totally unnecessary.....

Nope, uninformed gut-feeling comments, or hate campaigns as some disgruntled SWG vets and sandbox lovers hold or overtly biased repetitive criticising just because a game isn't their type, is what can get me annoyed. Sometimes it just makes me roll my eyes or chuckle, but when the annoyance reaches a threshold or when the mood strikes I post.

WOW, again you prove to be someone who takes things out of context. I;m clearly not the only one was refering to the previous sentence.. I do not think this will be a SRPG at all, I do not think anything. I just havn't seen anything yet, that tells me otherwise. That doesn't me it is not there till I see it, it means I do not know till I see it. Clearly I have missed info though. So what? Is this some kind of contest? Or maybe this wasn't a discussion but a debate?

Maybe you read my post wrong: you said you weren't convinced SW:TOR would be a full blown MMORPG, right after that you say "I'm clearly not the only" and then you use as an example people saying SWTOR is a SRPG with some multiplay elements. The way you worded your comments highly suggest that you consider yourself to "not be the only one" but to be among other people saying that SW:TOR isn't a fullblown MMO and/or a SRPG. That is what your post led to be concluded. If that is as you say the wrong interpretation, alright, no problem with that. That's what discussions are for, sharing insights and viewpoints and where needed clarifications.

In orangy

Well thanks this repsonse.. What I meant with the context issue is that I am not convinced this is a full blown MMO and that other people also arn't and SOME actually think that its just a SRPG, proving that people really arn't convinced at all. I do not think it will be a SRPG, yet I am also not 100% convinced it isn't. The outcome will be either release or actual proof (that I have missed clearly :P).

I might have come of a bit pissed, but really I was just trying to have a discussion with these people here but they kept twisting my words (which are sometimes indeed poorly chosen as my spelling in english sucks so I use a more limited vocab) and pulling things I said out of context.

Contradictions, we twist your words?

Then you admit to your english being rather bad?

I never said my english was bad, I said I suck at spelling and therefore I use a limited vocab to avoid mistakes. I actually am bad in spelling in my native language :P.

Clearly you are twisting my words here and I never said my english is bad at all.  Evenmore so you try to use this to refute my claim that you twist my words. While you just proved that you do in fact twist my words. Also I you read back the enitre conv. there are multiple occasions, starting with your very first reply to me that was limited to only on sentence and pulled it out of context.

Also twisting words means you are actually twisting the things i am saying. My reference to words here was that my words are sometimes poorly chosen, as in WORDS themselves. I am nto saying that the way I am voicing my opinion is poorly chosen and therefore it is easily minsunderstood. Note that i say VOCAB as in the actual words and I clrealy said my vocab was limited because of my spelling. It was kind of a joke on myself tbh.

 

And didn't masked link you something or explain to you group play has been demonstrated a few times? Destroying "It's a SPRPG" theory?

Never was my theory to begin with. This yet again proves that you are taking the things I say out of context, Also one feature does not make a full mmo, the thing I WAS talking about,

YOu do it again right here. Twisting my words...

Originally posted by sungodra

As far as I remember sanya weathers never said she thought he was or was not legit. She only spoke so she could clear up some misinformation that was in his post about her. Than she said that she didn't mean to give "fanboys ammo"  , because she also has some sort of an axe to grind with this company.

She didn't even deny a loud argument between her and the boss occured.  She just denied that it was why she got fired and clarified some of the disagreements that Louse got wrong.  She did seem to think the guy was legit though, just wrong on some things about her.

Anyhow, people need to chill out about it.  We'll during Open Beta whether it is a safe idea to buy the game at launch, and we'll know for sure within a month or two of launch whether the game is any good and whether it justifies a sub fee.  No amount of arguing is going to clarify how correct EALouse was regarding his TOR comments -- which were clearly a relatively small issue for him.

TOR could suck.  TOR could be great.  TOR could be average.

Just wait and see.

Originally posted by Drachasor

Anyhow, people need to chill out about it.  We'll during Open Beta whether it is a safe idea to buy the game at launch, and we'll know for sure within a month or two of launch whether the game is any good and whether it justifies a sub fee.  No amount of arguing is going to clarify how correct EALouse was regarding his TOR comments -- which were clearly a relatively small issue for him.

TOR could suck.  TOR could be great.  TOR could be average.

Just wait and see.

Yep.

/signed.

I still say they wasted a lot of money making the game in German and French, stupid.

Originally posted by tillamook

I still say they wasted a lot of money making the game in German and French, stupid.

French is one of the more common langauges in the world and german composes something like 13% of the European speakers.

i think they will sell a decent amount of units at launch but won't retain the number of subscribers to break even on developement and marketing costs, even if those are only say $150 million.

why? because it has nothing new in the gameplay department. its a damn wow-clone with  voice overs. woohoo. the story will be trademark bioware linearity. you have the good choice, the evil choice, and they both take you down the same exact path. and it has the Clone Wars space engine as a bonus!

i might pick it up in the bargain bin after it goes f2p.

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by tillamook

I still say they wasted a lot of money making the game in German and French, stupid.

French is one of the more common langauges in the world and german composes something like 13% of the European speakers.

And how many of those can speak english?

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by Drachasor

Originally posted by tillamook

I still say they wasted a lot of money making the game in German and French, stupid.

French is one of the more common langauges in the world and german composes something like 13% of the European speakers.

And how many of those can speak english?

Empiricism, making us americans seem less assholey since never. 

Intolerance: It's the butter on our freedom toast.

Originally posted by ABRaquel

Originally posted by whilan

Can i please have whatever this guys having? cause thats some killer stuff right there.

Seriously though, fully VO is something new to the genre, so of course it's something they are boosting (closest we got to that was AOC and that was only the starting area) they are also boosting the storyline, i wouldn't worry Bw as a game companies has made many of great games, I trust that far more then one guy on a blog that may or may not be telling the truth.

Just to correct/inform you that Everquest 2 has had VO since launch. It was one of the main things they touted when the game was released. 

Reese Witherspoon did a few lines for Antonia Bayle and Christopher Lee for Lucan D'Lere.

Winnie Cooper from the Wonder Years did some lines too. BAM! Useless trivia that now you know. When trivial pursuit apocalypse comes, you'll thank me.

Originally posted by cyphers

Originally posted by Drachasor

Anyhow, people need to chill out about it.  We'll during Open Beta whether it is a safe idea to buy the game at launch, and we'll know for sure within a month or two of launch whether the game is any good and whether it justifies a sub fee.  No amount of arguing is going to clarify how correct EALouse was regarding his TOR comments -- which were clearly a relatively small issue for him.

TOR could suck.  TOR could be great.  TOR could be average.

Just wait and see.

Yep.

/signed.

I agree with that too.

Just because he works for EA does not mean his opinion about the success of the game are better than anyone else's.

Still, he might know details about the game we don't yet know. I still wish Bioware would be more open with the game details and leave us less in guesswork. It did not do good to SWTOR to play this "neener neener, I have a secret, but I don't tell" game with us. And with $300 millions... sorry I just DO expect more than what we see *so far*. (races, space asf.) But that is more my personal letdown.

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by cyphers

Originally posted by Drachasor

Anyhow, people need to chill out about it.  We'll during Open Beta whether it is a safe idea to buy the game at launch, and we'll know for sure within a month or two of launch whether the game is any good and whether it justifies a sub fee.  No amount of arguing is going to clarify how correct EALouse was regarding his TOR comments -- which were clearly a relatively small issue for him.

TOR could suck.  TOR could be great.  TOR could be average.

Just wait and see.

Yep.

/signed.

I agree with that too.

Just because he works for EA does not mean his opinion about the success of the game are better than anyone else's.

Still, he might know details about the game we don't yet know. I still wish Bioware would be more open with the game details and leave us less in guesswork. It did not do good to SWTOR to play this "neener neener, I have a secret, but I don't tell" game with us. And with $300 millions... sorry I just DO expect more than what we see *so far*. (races, space asf.) But that is more my personal letdown.

 If he knew details about the game he would have been spouting more of them off.  The problem with these games are that the community is so hard on them and trashing them that they wind up having such a negative image nobody will buy them. Even if they are good games.   Aion is a damn good game, and look at all the negative trash talk it recieves. One of the best damn games I ever played, grinding in that game is NOT really that bad, and the Ganking is something that you can live with and have fun with.

If the game comes out and turns out to be majorly flawed , boring, or shitty in general , I can see people speaking out about it, but this game is not even out yet and they don't even have a real beta going on for it yet. It's pretty much alot unkown about this game.   People need to cool it and lay off the game until it comes out.    I think EA louse is just some person who is a fan of another game, or just some random TOR hater.  Possibly this guy could work for EA, but who knows, we don't really know enough to prove he does.