True, it's all just forum play in the end, nothing to be taken that serious

About APB, yeah, that's another thing, I'm amazed how quickly MMO games are discarded and abandoned by both gamers and/or companies compared to the early years of MMO's. I've played AoC for a long time and had great fun even while many considered it a fail, and APB from what I've seen must have had the best character customisation tool I've seen in MMO's, their player content generation, the tattoos and prints, was genius. A shame that it got cut off so fast, same as with a Tabula Rasa, or a Vanguard being held on intensive care by SOE and nothing more than that.

Originally posted by aovannor

Bioware know what they are doing. Similar negative things were said about WoW. Overhyped games usually disappoint.. considering the recent opinions I think most arn't expecting much from this game. Hopefully that will be it's strength.. people may find it is better than they expected.

But it might be rubbish.. either way you are either happy its better than you thought or happy it's not worse than you thought.

Keep it underhyped I say, because from what I've seen I'm not impressed.. but I'm still going to try it to see if I'm wrong

Your post is sort of what led me to my initial post. I'll be curious to know at some point when we look back how the hype and forums affect everyone's forums posts 3 months after the game is released. I'm speaking about the high hype of GW2 as well and whether when all is said and done it will follow the same fate as  Aion, Vanguard, Warhammer, and AOC (which again I think is not a bad game, it just lost my interest). I'm working on a program that will have the magical ability to connect negative posters here to your in game characters in The Old Republic to see who really decided to play after all and how long you really stay with the game lol.

I've been syaing this for a long time, that this website, at times, seems like 4Chan. There are more negative nay sayers on this site then there are reasonable and objective posters. Unfortnately there is really no other website that offers the depth of mmo information and discussion like mmorpg.com. It's just a shame that there is so much hate sometimes here. It's probably a result of dissapointment over recent mmo releases, which has disnfranchised many gamers.

I'm looking forward to SW:TOR. The only criticism, or praise, I'll take to heart is when I can try it for myself. Rely on yourself and your experience, and not nay sayers.

Every game on this site gets negativity wether it is a good mmo or bad mmo. I think TOR getting some negativity on this site has no effect on how successful it will be or not.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

The "negativity" (Should be read as realistic expectations not negativity) does not help lower people's expectations and thus help save themselves from being disappointed for hyping a product up in their mind. They just ignore it and then get disappointed anyway.

 

The cycle on MMORPG.com is fairly constant:

 

1) AAA game gets announced with a known IP

2)People start to get excited purely because of the IP it is based on

3)Some screenshots/interviews come out. They usually contain some context about being innovative/different and about how amazing the game will be and how huge it will be.

4)Fans buy into all of it and start getting really excited/start creating the game in their own mind which is a bad thing.

5)First realistic folks start posting about how the game will not be as fantastic as fans are making it out to be and they are instantly labeled as trolls by the fan base so that their bubble isn't burst.

6)First details start being released and those details show the limitations of the game and how some of it will play.

7)Realistic people use this as proof of what the game will actually be like trying to allow others to have proper expectations of the game. They are labeled as trolls and told that is just what the game is NOW and that the company is planning on X Y and Z by beta

8)Beta begins and people start to truly see how the game plays, which is not at all how the super fans imagined it.

9)Realistic people once again use this as proof of how the game is just another MMO, not innovative, and nothing all that special. They are labeled as super trolls and the fans say that X Y an Z are being implemented but won't be ready until shortly before release but this will allow people time to get into the game and learn it before those new systems are added. They insist this will be good for the players

10)Game is released. Fans buy up a 1-1.5 million copies and all jump in. A couple days later the posts show up about how the game isn't at all what they expected and they are really disappointed. They then say AAA MMO X or Y that is being worked on is now the hope and the cycle repeats for them at step 1. The super fans say features X Y and Z are still coming but won't be ready for a couple of months

11) A couple of months in the sub numbers are about 25-33% of the sales numbers and slowly declining. The super fans still make posts about the amazing features that are coming up. The majority has now accept the view that the realistic people had been painting since early on in the game's production. The numbers begin to steady out to where the game will be for the next 6 months or so and show what the actual initial sales would have been if people hadn't gotten so hyped up and ignored what the game would really have been like.

 

For some reason there are a lot of people who just can't help but get over-hyped for each new MMO that is in the works, and then disappointed after preordering or buying a lifetime sub and they latch on to the next MMO in production. There is a severe lack of realistic expectations on this site, and anyone who offers one up is generally referred to as a troll.

They should copy this, place it in a size 72 Font and stick it dead center of the main site page.

For This game, That game or next months game, this is 100% truth.

Every new announced MMO with hype surrounding it ALWAYS attracts the trolls no matter what.. People have their own definition of the "perfect" MMORPG in their eyes.. And If the MMO they are following doesn't meet up to their expectations, then thats when they begin to bash it and bash those who seem to like how it's shaping up.. It's always been like this...

Now, personally I feel this game sounds more of a glorified single player RPG with multiple player elements or options if you will.. In my personal opinion, that bums me out a bit.. I, like many other people looking for a true sandbox style MMORPG, don't agree with how the mechanics seem to be turning out..

I'm a veteran of true sandbox style MMORPG's, and that's what I personally want to see TOR become.. I want the freedom of doing what I want, when I want, and how I want to go about doing it! I do NOT want to feel as If the game is holding me by the hand guiding me on what's supposed to be my adventurous quest.. I do not want that. If I wanted to play a "structured" RPG, I have a PS3 and I'll go buy Final fantasy 13!

Then you have the hardcore fans out there that love bioware games and most of which aren't even that much into traditional sandbox MMO's who bash those for wanting TOR to be a more traditional sandbox MMORPG simply because that's not what they want, LOL.. These fans aren't true mmorpg gamers.. 

So, this is why you have quite a bit of people on here hating on TOR.. Those that defend Bioware are simply those that don't want to see TOR become a traditional sandbox MMORPG, period..

Oh, then you have those who are just in denial about what the game is truly about. These people are clueless and most of them state what they believe TOR will be based on what other people say and not doing their own research to figure out the truth for themselves, lol. These people are the true trolls. :)                                          

Originally posted by ZenoLoc

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

The "negativity" (Should be read as realistic expectations not negativity) does not help lower people's expectations and thus help save themselves from being disappointed for hyping a product up in their mind. They just ignore it and then get disappointed anyway.

 

The cycle on MMORPG.com is fairly constant:

 

1) AAA game gets announced with a known IP

2)People start to get excited purely because of the IP it is based on

3)Some screenshots/interviews come out. They usually contain some context about being innovative/different and about how amazing the game will be and how huge it will be.

4)Fans buy into all of it and start getting really excited/start creating the game in their own mind which is a bad thing.

5)First realistic folks start posting about how the game will not be as fantastic as fans are making it out to be and they are instantly labeled as trolls by the fan base so that their bubble isn't burst.

6)First details start being released and those details show the limitations of the game and how some of it will play.

7)Realistic people use this as proof of what the game will actually be like trying to allow others to have proper expectations of the game. They are labeled as trolls and told that is just what the game is NOW and that the company is planning on X Y and Z by beta

8)Beta begins and people start to truly see how the game plays, which is not at all how the super fans imagined it.

9)Realistic people once again use this as proof of how the game is just another MMO, not innovative, and nothing all that special. They are labeled as super trolls and the fans say that X Y an Z are being implemented but won't be ready until shortly before release but this will allow people time to get into the game and learn it before those new systems are added. They insist this will be good for the players

10)Game is released. Fans buy up a 1-1.5 million copies and all jump in. A couple days later the posts show up about how the game isn't at all what they expected and they are really disappointed. They then say AAA MMO X or Y that is being worked on is now the hope and the cycle repeats for them at step 1. The super fans say features X Y and Z are still coming but won't be ready for a couple of months

11) A couple of months in the sub numbers are about 25-33% of the sales numbers and slowly declining. The super fans still make posts about the amazing features that are coming up. The majority has now accept the view that the realistic people had been painting since early on in the game's production. The numbers begin to steady out to where the game will be for the next 6 months or so and show what the actual initial sales would have been if people hadn't gotten so hyped up and ignored what the game would really have been like.

 

For some reason there are a lot of people who just can't help but get over-hyped for each new MMO that is in the works, and then disappointed after preordering or buying a lifetime sub and they latch on to the next MMO in production. There is a severe lack of realistic expectations on this site, and anyone who offers one up is generally referred to as a troll.

They should copy this, place it in a size 72 Font and stick it dead center of the main site page.

For This game, That game or next months game, this is 100% truth.

Really good. We are at point 7 I guess.

Originally posted by oakthornn

Every new announced MMO with hype surrounding it ALWAYS attracts the trolls no matter what.. People have their own definition of the "perfect" MMORPG in their eyes.. And If the MMO they are following doesn't meet up to their expectations, then thats when they begin to bash it and bash those who seem to like how it's shaping up.. It's always been like this...

 

Now, personally I feel this game sounds more of a glorified single player RPG with multiple player elements or options if you will.. In my personal opinion, that bums me out a bit.. I, like many other people looking for a true sandbox style MMORPG, don't agree with how the mechanics seem to be turning out..

I'm a veteran of true sandbox style MMORPG's, and that's what I personally want to see TOR become.. I want the freedom of doing what I want, when I want, and how I want to go about doing it! I do NOT want to feel as If the game is holding me by the hand guiding me on what's supposed to be my adventurous quest.. I do not want that. If I wanted to play a "structured" RPG, I have a PS3 and I'll go buy Final fantasy 13!

Then you have the hardcore fans out there that love bioware games and most of which aren't even that much into traditional sandbox MMO's who bash those for wanting TOR to be a more traditional sandbox MMORPG simply because that's not what they want, LOL.. These fans aren't true mmorpg gamers.. 

So, this is why you have quite a bit of people on here hating on TOR.. Those that defend Bioware are simply those that don't want to see TOR become a traditional sandbox MMORPG, period..

 

Oh, then you have those who are just in denial about what the game is truly about. These people are clueless and most of them state what they believe TOR will be based on what other people say and not doing their own research to figure out the truth for themselves, lol. These people are the true trolls. :)                                          

 Those two statements don't go together.

But this post is an example of negative in a good way. You have an opinion, share it and explain what you would like the add in a bash for good masure. It is not hate post. I like that.

And I agree that BW fans will like the class story arc that will be close to a SPG. Minus the save and re-chose if you make a mistake. As a MMO, your choice is final, no going back without re-rolling. I don't agree that the sandbox style MMORPG is the only true MMO. It may be to you and others, but the masses say different. Both styles are viable MMO's in their own way. Just with a different following.

And on the last part, there will be open worlds to explore. It was said that you could see a mountain in the distance and be able to go there. Then once there, the devs want to make sure you are rewarded for exploring with content. (Not proven yet with in game footage, just from a dev at E3).

Trolls are imaginary creatures found in fantasy based games, however on these forums there are many people who enjoy posting negative viewpoints, which I consider in the category of "discussion".

But if you're seeing trolls everywhere, I must be mistaken.

As someone else said, any press is good press and this game really doesn't need any more hype, the entire MMORPG world is pretty much watching for this one.

Who is really the blame for the negativity, the game itself or the gamer. I see a new trend in mmo gaming that is some what disappointing. I guess it has alot to do with crossover gamers that were consolers and jumped on the WOW bandwagon and now we have this hybid console/mmo gamer type.

We all know to well that consoler gamers will buy every new game that hits the stores and will play them and move on. Pure mmo gamers on the other hand want to live in that virtual world creating and maximizing their toon everday and forever.

With that being said, this new gamer like's to create and maximize, but just doesn't have the patience to play the game for a long time. They burn through all the content until max level and then get's bored and moves on to another game.

This duality they have is what makes sites like this one get filled with alot of negative posts being made about games that have come out and the new games that are coming out in the future.

People that can't find something truly intersting about this game or others will never be satisfied. This holds true not only for gaming but life in general. If i am gong to buy a new car and out of all the car makers have narrowed it down to an American car that is a Chevy. There is my interest, i am surely not gonna go and bash Ford or Dodge or the foreign car makers because of my choice.

This is how it should be when looking into a new mmo. Find one that your interested in, read up on all the information that has been given about it and make a sound judgement on wheither you want to purchase and play it.

No need for any negativity.

lol this site is sooo chock full of negativity and bad Karma ... anyone that takes anything seriously on this site needs their head examined.  Its simple really

I. Wait for game to come out and try it youself

2. Then make your own mind up.

there ya go  not rocket science is it .

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

The "negativity" (Should be read as realistic expectations not negativity) does not help lower people's expectations and thus help save themselves from being disappointed for hyping a product up in their mind. They just ignore it and then get disappointed anyway.

 

The cycle on MMORPG.com is fairly constant:

 

1) AAA game gets announced with a known IP

2)People start to get excited purely because of the IP it is based on

3)Some screenshots/interviews come out. They usually contain some context about being innovative/different and about how amazing the game will be and how huge it will be.

4)Fans buy into all of it and start getting really excited/start creating the game in their own mind which is a bad thing.

5)First realistic folks start posting about how the game will not be as fantastic as fans are making it out to be and they are instantly labeled as trolls by the fan base so that their bubble isn't burst.

6)First details start being released and those details show the limitations of the game and how some of it will play.

7)Realistic people use this as proof of what the game will actually be like trying to allow others to have proper expectations of the game. They are labeled as trolls and told that is just what the game is NOW and that the company is planning on X Y and Z by beta

8)Beta begins and people start to truly see how the game plays, which is not at all how the super fans imagined it.

9)Realistic people once again use this as proof of how the game is just another MMO, not innovative, and nothing all that special. They are labeled as super trolls and the fans say that X Y an Z are being implemented but won't be ready until shortly before release but this will allow people time to get into the game and learn it before those new systems are added. They insist this will be good for the players

10)Game is released. Fans buy up a 1-1.5 million copies and all jump in. A couple days later the posts show up about how the game isn't at all what they expected and they are really disappointed. They then say AAA MMO X or Y that is being worked on is now the hope and the cycle repeats for them at step 1. The super fans say features X Y and Z are still coming but won't be ready for a couple of months

11) A couple of months in the sub numbers are about 25-33% of the sales numbers and slowly declining. The super fans still make posts about the amazing features that are coming up. The majority has now accept the view that the realistic people had been painting since early on in the game's production. The numbers begin to steady out to where the game will be for the next 6 months or so and show what the actual initial sales would have been if people hadn't gotten so hyped up and ignored what the game would really have been like.

 

For some reason there are a lot of people who just can't help but get over-hyped for each new MMO that is in the works, and then disappointed after preordering or buying a lifetime sub and they latch on to the next MMO in production. There is a severe lack of realistic expectations on this site, and anyone who offers one up is generally referred to as a troll.

Ha he. Nicely put. This ^^

Originally posted by agaga

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

The "negativity" (Should be read as realistic expectations not negativity) does not help lower people's expectations and thus help save themselves from being disappointed for hyping a product up in their mind. They just ignore it and then get disappointed anyway.

 

The cycle on MMORPG.com is fairly constant:

 

1) AAA game gets announced with a known IP

2)People start to get excited purely because of the IP it is based on

3)Some screenshots/interviews come out. They usually contain some context about being innovative/different and about how amazing the game will be and how huge it will be.

4)Fans buy into all of it and start getting really excited/start creating the game in their own mind which is a bad thing.

5)First realistic folks start posting about how the game will not be as fantastic as fans are making it out to be and they are instantly labeled as trolls by the fan base so that their bubble isn't burst.

6)First details start being released and those details show the limitations of the game and how some of it will play.

7)Realistic people use this as proof of what the game will actually be like trying to allow others to have proper expectations of the game. They are labeled as trolls and told that is just what the game is NOW and that the company is planning on X Y and Z by beta

8)Beta begins and people start to truly see how the game plays, which is not at all how the super fans imagined it.

9)Realistic people once again use this as proof of how the game is just another MMO, not innovative, and nothing all that special. They are labeled as super trolls and the fans say that X Y an Z are being implemented but won't be ready until shortly before release but this will allow people time to get into the game and learn it before those new systems are added. They insist this will be good for the players

10)Game is released. Fans buy up a 1-1.5 million copies and all jump in. A couple days later the posts show up about how the game isn't at all what they expected and they are really disappointed. They then say AAA MMO X or Y that is being worked on is now the hope and the cycle repeats for them at step 1. The super fans say features X Y and Z are still coming but won't be ready for a couple of months

11) A couple of months in the sub numbers are about 25-33% of the sales numbers and slowly declining. The super fans still make posts about the amazing features that are coming up. The majority has now accept the view that the realistic people had been painting since early on in the game's production. The numbers begin to steady out to where the game will be for the next 6 months or so and show what the actual initial sales would have been if people hadn't gotten so hyped up and ignored what the game would really have been like.

 

For some reason there are a lot of people who just can't help but get over-hyped for each new MMO that is in the works, and then disappointed after preordering or buying a lifetime sub and they latch on to the next MMO in production. There is a severe lack of realistic expectations on this site, and anyone who offers one up is generally referred to as a troll.

Ha he. Nicely put. This ^^

I'm glad someone took the effort to clear this up in a well written form. Thumbs up +1

Originally posted by SanHor

Originally posted by agaga

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

The "negativity" (Should be read as realistic expectations not negativity) does not help lower people's expectations and thus help save themselves from being disappointed for hyping a product up in their mind. They just ignore it and then get disappointed anyway.

 

The cycle on MMORPG.com is fairly constant:

 

1) AAA game gets announced with a known IP

2)People start to get excited purely because of the IP it is based on

3)Some screenshots/interviews come out. They usually contain some context about being innovative/different and about how amazing the game will be and how huge it will be.

4)Fans buy into all of it and start getting really excited/start creating the game in their own mind which is a bad thing.

5)First realistic folks start posting about how the game will not be as fantastic as fans are making it out to be and they are instantly labeled as trolls by the fan base so that their bubble isn't burst.

6)First details start being released and those details show the limitations of the game and how some of it will play.

7)Realistic people use this as proof of what the game will actually be like trying to allow others to have proper expectations of the game. They are labeled as trolls and told that is just what the game is NOW and that the company is planning on X Y and Z by beta

8)Beta begins and people start to truly see how the game plays, which is not at all how the super fans imagined it.

9)Realistic people once again use this as proof of how the game is just another MMO, not innovative, and nothing all that special. They are labeled as super trolls and the fans say that X Y an Z are being implemented but won't be ready until shortly before release but this will allow people time to get into the game and learn it before those new systems are added. They insist this will be good for the players

10)Game is released. Fans buy up a 1-1.5 million copies and all jump in. A couple days later the posts show up about how the game isn't at all what they expected and they are really disappointed. They then say AAA MMO X or Y that is being worked on is now the hope and the cycle repeats for them at step 1. The super fans say features X Y and Z are still coming but won't be ready for a couple of months

11) A couple of months in the sub numbers are about 25-33% of the sales numbers and slowly declining. The super fans still make posts about the amazing features that are coming up. The majority has now accept the view that the realistic people had been painting since early on in the game's production. The numbers begin to steady out to where the game will be for the next 6 months or so and show what the actual initial sales would have been if people hadn't gotten so hyped up and ignored what the game would really have been like.

 

For some reason there are a lot of people who just can't help but get over-hyped for each new MMO that is in the works, and then disappointed after preordering or buying a lifetime sub and they latch on to the next MMO in production. There is a severe lack of realistic expectations on this site, and anyone who offers one up is generally referred to as a troll.

Ha he. Nicely put. This ^^

I'm glad someone took the effort to clear this up in a well written form. Thumbs up +1

What snarlingwolf presumes "realistic expectations" means is open to interpretation.  Each person comes on this site with their own views and opinions based on their own experiences.  Being realistic and being pessimistic are two very different things,  and very few on this site realize the difference.

I believe SnarlingWolfs last line is correct.  There is a severe lack of realistic expectations on this site.  I would like to take it a step further and say there is a SEVERE lack of realistic criticism on this site.   In the end,  this is a game, not a way of life.  

Originally posted by oakthornn

 Now, personally I feel this game sounds more of a glorified single player RPG with multiple player elements or options if you will.. In my personal opinion, that bums me out a bit.. I, like many other people looking for a true sandbox style MMORPG, don't agree with how the mechanics seem to be turning out..

Then you have the hardcore fans out there that love bioware games and most of which aren't even that much into traditional sandbox MMO's who bash those for wanting TOR to be a more traditional sandbox MMORPG simply because that's not what they want, LOL.. These fans aren't true mmorpg gamers.. 

So, this is why you have quite a bit of people on here hating on TOR.. Those that defend Bioware are simply those that don't want to see TOR become a traditional sandbox MMORPG, period..                               

Now here's where it goes wrong. I put it very simply: SWTOR isn't a sandbox MMORPG, and no matter how much people complain or rant, it never will be. It's also not a singleplayer game, unless you count EQ2, WoW, LotrO and Aion to be singleplayer games too. SW:TOR will be a themepark MMORPG with maybe, maybe, a few sandbox elements (ie exploration).

But don't kid yourself: SW:TOR will not be a 'traditional' sandbox MMORPG, and Bioware never pretended that it would be.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

The "negativity" (Should be read as realistic expectations not negativity) does not help lower people's expectations and thus help save themselves from being disappointed for hyping a product up in their mind. They just ignore it and then get disappointed anyway.

 

The cycle on MMORPG.com is fairly constant:

 

(snips)

 

 For some reason there are a lot of people who just can't help but get over-hyped for each new MMO that is in the works, and then disappointed after preordering or buying a lifetime sub and they latch on to the next MMO in production. There is a severe lack of realistic expectations on this site, and anyone who offers one up is generally referred to as a troll.

Interesting scenario you sketched. A onesided and incomplete one though, with quite some false assumptions:

1. You presume that all negativity is merely 'realistic expectations'. It is not, there's sensible criticism here and there, sure, and besides that ther's a whole lot of unrealistic expectations, ranting, venting, misinformed and uninformed drawing of conclusions, trolling by people that like another game and trashtalking by people who've alrdy made up their mind how fail a game in their eyes will be. That's the 'real' reality.

2. You assume that all fans are just buying blindly into all the hype, abandon all common sense and realism. That's totally biased and not true. The group of fans are as diverse as the sceptics, ranging from reasonable to the extremes of fully onesided bias (ie 'fanbois' and 'haters').

3. You assume that the critics are always realistic and right in all their criticisms and that fans are always wrong, disappointed and the victim of their hype. This too is a false assumption. This trend of overhype followed by disappointment hasn't been always present since the time of UO or so, no, it is something merely of the last few years.

Now why am I saying that your view is very black & white and a skewed view of reality? Because I'm a representative of the group of gamers that don't fall into the extreme ends of either blind fanboism or biased cynicism/hatred.

I'm one of those MMO gamers that a) didn't fall for any hype, b) based on the info available had built realistic expectations of a game so was never disilliusioned when I started playing it, therefor c) had immense fun when I played those MMO games that by others were deemed utter fail as AoC, Aion and CO, and when I didn't enjoy them as much anymore d) I left them and moved on without regrets or a grudge against the companies that made them.

And there's a large group of fans and gamers that work like that, from a base of common sense and realism, perceiving good AND bad aspects of a game without prejudging or quick-judging regarding a game that hasn't even come out yet. They're only often not as vocal as the posters with the more extremist viewpoints towards either fanboism or cynicism/hatred.

It's all about managing your expectations and using some common sense and reason.

Regarding criticism: some cases are worth to fight for and push hard and raise your voices loud and often, like realistic lightsabre hilts, a change of the name 'Wizard', or PvP and free flight in space combat, or a hardware mouse option in FFXIV or being able to walk in GW2. Stated on the right forums those complaints can make a difference. Other cases are merely ranting and venting and unrealistic, like wishing for SW:TOR to have certain sandbox/SWG features where Bioware has clearly chosen another design path.

In those last cases there are really only 2 options: accept them for what the game is, or just move away if you can't accept the vision how the designers intend the game in the end to be.

Originally posted by oakthornn

Then you have the hardcore fans out there that love bioware games and most of which aren't even that much into traditional sandbox MMO's who bash those for wanting TOR to be a more traditional sandbox MMORPG simply because that's not what they want, LOL.. These fans aren't true mmorpg gamers.. 

                          

Thanks for the feedback. Your post was fine except for this paragraph. Who is to say what a true MMORPG Gamer is? I dont think sandbox=true mmorpg gamer. There may be good sandbox games and there may be good more themepark oriented games. Generally speaking, if the game is classified as an MMO and  people are interacting with others in some type of way, then they are an MMORPG gamer in my book.

What the collective community on mmorpg.com may think about the game will have little to do with whether or not the game is successful, but I think many people will be surprised at how much they actually enjoy the game once they actually try it.  I say this, in part, because everyone's expectations are so low.

The game will do fine regardless of what is said on these forums. Starwars fans will gobble this up i'm sure. Long term survivability depends on how interesting the game is on top of server stability.

Originally posted by SuperXero89

What the collective community on mmorpg.com may think about the game will have little to do with whether or not the game is successful, but I think many people will be surprised at how much they actually enjoy the game once they actually try it.  I say this, in part, because everyone's expectations are so low.

^This is what I expect also.