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9/19/10 12:37:38 AM#81
Originally posted by grapevine not atm but beta has been for TESTINg not playing |
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9/19/10 12:39:39 AM#82
Originally posted by Raxeon
Actually you can't test without playing. Every mob is not going to be at a raid encounter level. They are going to be exactly the same as they are now (i.e. tank and spank), just like other MMOs.
The more complex ones are to be the NMs. Even then we don't have the full details on if they all will have any complexity. |
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9/19/10 12:45:56 AM#83
Originally posted by grapevine I'm not the one that made that comparison but anyways in a way yes.
Generally while "grind leveling" or however you put it (not content apparently anyways) combat is pretty simplistic. This might be your experience in beta, but in actually challenging content it is not the case since most tanks should be required to avoid specials.
I haven't fought any mobs that required parts to be cut off, but since this is a stated feature of the game that would be another way in which they are complex in the way that raid mobs in most mmo's tend to be.
Of course in my opinion raids in FFXIV will then be 10x more complex than most mmo's as FFXI was in my opinion, point being that combat is more complex.
You can disagree all day people have different definitions of what makes somethign difficulty, I find having to adjust strategies constantly to be my definition of a challenge. As most MMO's only require the development of an efficient rotation to play at top tier.
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9/19/10 12:48:42 AM#84
This is so silly.
Were raid level or end game mobs in FFXI tank and spank? NO!
On what basis are you concluding that FFXIV will just be tank and spank.... excuse me, but arn't all starting level mobs tank and spank in every single mmo that has every been released?
I give up... i'm just going to play Starcraft 2 until FFXIV release and then forget mmorpg.com exists. That should increase my enjoyment level quite a bit. |
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9/19/10 12:52:25 AM#85
Originally posted by Hrayr2148
Err? I said the majority of the mobs are tank and spank, just like any other MMO. I also said the complexity would relate to the NMs. You've just repeated bascially what I said.
Its someone else trying to claim all encounters are raid level, being the issue. Although he has just admitted (in a roundabout way) he was talking bull. SE have stated FF XIV will be released without an end game, with one being added later. There is no doubt the game will improve with time. However until that occurs that game doesn't exist. |
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9/19/10 1:27:13 AM#86
Have you paid any attention at all to the clear indications that the game will be receiving a heck of a lot more content once the final version is actually released? We haven't encountered any boss monsters yet. When this happens we are going to see battles that require a lot more complexity and planning to defeat. The vast majority of testers in the betas have accepted that Square is withholding much of the game's best content. Why this manages to upset you is clearly beyond me. On a side note, what popular fantasy MMOs where simple non-boss mobs require more strategy to defeat than the proper combination of tanks and healers? Certainly not WoW, for starters... |
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9/19/10 1:39:34 AM#87
Summary of the topic:
Sage Sundi doesn't care about Forum People!
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9/19/10 1:46:48 AM#88
Originally posted by Daedelus26 QFT on another note the OP is an elitist troll, I really don't understand what he considers so "hard" about final fantasy 14. As far as i'm concerned getting Gladiator title in WoW is probably the "hardest" thing i've tried to do in any MMO. Not that I play WoW anymore, I just love how repetitive some peoples ideas that WoW is easy mode and everyone that doesn't like a game should go back to WoW. |
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9/19/10 2:16:26 AM#89
Originally posted by aaradun Sums it up nicely. Just another asian grinder. |
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9/19/10 2:20:18 AM#90
Originally posted by busdriver Well, one thing is actually wrong, the open beta client is less than half the size of the regular client so complaining about content is a bit premature at least until the game actually releases. |
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9/19/10 2:26:55 AM#91
Originally posted by yoyoyoblaka How can you be an elitist troll if you aren't insulting the people that the forum is made for? I'd understand if he was an elitist troll if he was posting this in the WoW/Tera/GW2/etc forums or something. . .
Yeah... I really don't get this. You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick. |
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9/19/10 2:31:43 AM#92
Originally posted by busdriver Sure, it's just another asian grinder, in much the same way World of Warcraft is just a western casual-grinder. I'll throw away quibbling little details like "lots of casual gamer accomodation" if you discard "ridiculously popular." |
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9/19/10 2:37:50 AM#93
Originally posted by busdriver Blows my mind why people actually expected somethin diferent to ffxi,at least on what core elements are. On a side note ffxi was one of the best pve mmos ever for many people. Do people even bother to do a bit of research before crying on forums anymore ? |
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9/19/10 2:39:47 AM#94
Originally posted by geldonyetich Do tell, what does "casual-friendly grinder" mean? Seems like oxymoron to me... |
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9/19/10 2:40:16 AM#95
Originally posted by Uldah Never gonna happen. These people hate reading, remember? You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick. |
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Kaocan
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Joined: 8/18/09
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9/19/10 2:46:26 AM#96
Originally posted by maskedtears So....how many of the people talking bad about FFXIV in this thread are actually planning on playing it once it is released??
Just curious, since yoru all so worked up about it and all. Playing yes?? Preorder yes?? Please dont tell me your not going to be playing. I mean what would be the point of all this then? (DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.) |
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9/19/10 2:49:14 AM#97
Originally posted by scythe99 I don't understand how this game is a blast from the past... As a veteran player (going back to EQ, DAOC, and even MUDs) I was there for the past, and this is nothing like it. Wait, to be fair, there is one similarity... I went back to DAOC recently, and I had a really hard time because I just did not remember the interface being as clunky and unintuitive as it was... Obviously it was my memory that was faulty. So there, you have the similarity between FF14 and the older games... Clunky, unintuitive interface! Somehow, I would think in this day and age we would have outgrown that. |
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9/19/10 2:51:38 AM#98
Originally posted by busdriver If you honestly think that you've spent (at most) about 7 years subscribed to World of Warcraft, depleting the hitpoint bars of stuff of varying shapes and sizes, painstakingly earning that gold for epic mount after epic mount after epic mount, and you're not playing a grind, I think I've got a bridge I can sell you. All MMORPGs, with extremely unusual exceptions are a grind. What makes it "casual-friendly" is really more a matter of pacing, trying to accomidate people who don't have all that many hours per day to play. Actually, I hesistate to say World of Wacraft is truly casual friendly. From what I understand, the end game pulls a bit of a bait-and-switch. It's mostly the levels on the way to the end game that are casual friendly. |
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9/19/10 2:52:10 AM#99
Oh no! FFXIV UI is almost the same as FFXI UI! OMG why didnt they tell us ?OMG NO is a GRIND just like its predecesor!, SE Lied to me with ADS on my cartoon network chanel and with the big stands at my blockbuster store! Im cancelling my preorder, o wait i already been charged, o well i guess im forced to play it now no matter what you all might say. Tough deal. |
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9/19/10 2:58:14 AM#100
Being boring in general, lacking an inuitive UI and a general sense of direction doesn't make this game good, nor does it make it hard. Having a learning curve or offering little to no camoflauge for the grinding that every MMORPG has doesn't either. The basic flaw in the trolling is that the argument is based around the idea that MMORPG's shouldn't be judged like every other genre of videogames are. That's why a lot of games are FINALLY starting to break away from the idealogy behind most of the other MMORPGs and are starting to focus more on stories and inovation (albeit, not much inovation) as well as graphics despite the fact that having a high hardware requirement is a detriment to your top-end sales figures. I will say that Final Fantasy has great graphics. I refuse to say that it's a good game simply because a 12 year old is goign to have to ask 32,000 questions in the help channel in order to figure out what the hell he's supposed to be doing for the first 3 hours of gameplay. 
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