Originally posted by Nergle

All I can say is take comfort in knowing there was many more baninng of accounts from SWTOR today. You should have reported the exploit instead of doingit over and over to your gain and amusement (that's what you get).

 If I were a dev for swtor and wanted quality game testers, I would put in tests to see how testers handled the situation.  Exploitables is a good test to see if something gets reported or abused.

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

Originally posted by Munkyman1

Posted by aleos on 9/16/10 at 6:03:07 PM

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

Originally posted by aleos

Rules of Conduct 

http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct

 

Yeah I went through that. Can you find where it says anything similiar to "discussing illegal activity?"

seriously dude? its the first one.

 

 

HAHAHA  I Actually laughed out loud when i read this.

Yeah good one,

Post, transmit, promote, or distribute Content that is illegal.

They say in there email that I was discussing illegal "content" I guess.

Yeah sure whatever, thats me all I do is promote illegal content every where I go.

Would you guys like to know about some illegal content? I have some literautre on the subject if you're interested.

Are you serious/

 

 

Their Game. Their Rules. Thanks for playing.

You didn't read my first posts. I didn't do it. Okay. But EVEN if I did discuss illegal activities all over the place, there is nowhere in the tester agreement that says anything about that..

That was my point, I not only got banned, but banned for a phanton clause.

I think this post shines of uncertainty.  If you didn't do it, there should be no "Where does it say that X is punishable speech."  If you are knowingly innocent, then there should be nothing but your conviction in that, that holds weight.  

 

I think if this is a true thing,  you are worried that BioWare actually has a something that could be distinguished as an illegal gametesting act,  whether it was posting testing information outside the testing forums,  or general misconduct while testing,  it may not be something illegal in the literal sense.

 

If this does turn out to be a mistake, it will all be answered in time,  but I think behaviorally this was probably the wrong way to go about it.   

Okay sure I was upset about being accused of promoting illegal activity. It's like getting charged with some crime that you are innocent of, I was upset yeah perhaps this wasn't the most ideal way of going about it.

I should have just been like oh well you cant fight city hall. Why would I get so upset about this unless I was wrongfully accused. If i had done something against the NDA I would have just been like oh whops got caught, oh well. Instead of emailing them multiple times and trying to get to the bottom of it.

Next time you should'nt call your buddy up to come watch you play the game over your shoulder. That would be a violation of the agreement

lol

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

So long story short in the beta, can't login, get an email saying I got banned for "discussing illegal activity." I am so frustrated. Are you serious Bioware? They aren't responding, and the admins keep taking down my threads on the SWTOR forums. Can you believe this? I am innocent and  the terms of service and game tester agreement don't say anything about "discussing illegal activity."

 

 Wanted to come here and post to let everyone know about the nonsense going on at Bioware, and the Orwellian "thought police." company policy.
 

This is all compounded by the fact that the haven't responsded to any of my emails or presented any evidence against me.

*hugs you*

I'm gonna call troll on this one. Nothing but the same remarks slightly reworded for the last 15 comments by the OP. I'm out. I suggest y'all do the same.

Originally posted by tillamook

Next time you should'nt call your buddy up to come watch you play the game over your shoulder. That would be a violation of the agreement

Then it looks like I need to get some new friends if they are reporting me to Bioware. I will have an inquisition on the morrow of all my "friends" and get to the bottom of this.

Lol jk I live in a basement that I have tranformed into a dungeon. I don't have friends or see the light of day, my only friends are my magic cards and I doubt any of them reported me, unless they can speak, which I have tried to enchant them and perhaps they have come to life.

Unfortunatly for you posting in this forum has probably destroyed any chance you may have had of fixing the issue. In future if you have a issue with a company over a unfair banning follow these simple common sense rules :-

1) Appeal using the offical channels

2) Wait a reasonable amount of time (upto 2 weeks is reasonable)

3) Remember your not a major concern of theirs and if you make to much of a stink its easier to just perma ban you than deal with you.

4) Be polite and conherent in your correspondance. A well written statement of your case and situation recieves a far better response than swearing and threats.

5) Lastly do not under AND circumstances post anything concerning the situation on a public forum

Follow these 5 simple rules and your chances of fixing the issue are greatly increased (especially fi your innocent). breka them and even being innocent may bot be enough.

Gadareth

Originally posted by FreddyNoNose

Originally posted by Nergle

All I can say is take comfort in knowing there was many more baninng of accounts from SWTOR today. You should have reported the exploit instead of doingit over and over to your gain and amusement (that's what you get).

 If I were a dev for swtor and wanted quality game testers, I would put in tests to see how testers handled the situation.  Exploitables is a good test to see if something gets reported or abused.

     If I was a dev I'd want people to exploit and abuse the crap out of the game in beta so I could utterly destroy such attempts long before release.  Then I'd challenge the testers to find new ones.  That's what a tester is supposed to do. 

     My opinion is that "testers" should be payed for their services anyways.  Maybe a year free when released.   Not just given the unfinished game to run around in.  Testing takes time, patience and cunning if you're doing it right.  That's another flaw in the MMO development system IMO. 

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

Originally posted by tillamook

Next time you should'nt call your buddy up to come watch you play the game over your shoulder. That would be a violation of the agreement

Then it looks like I need to get some new friends if they are reporting me to Bioware. I will have an inquisition on the morrow of all my "friends" and get to the bottom of this.

 

Lol jk I live in a basement that I have tranformed into a dungeon. I don't have friends or see the light of day, my only friends are my magic cards and I doubt any of them reported me, unless they can speak, which I have tried to enchant them and perhaps they have come to life.

Yeah I was just joking. It sucks to get banned, at the same time don't let it taint your oppinion of the game. I assumed BioWare would be pretty harsh on their policies, considering how closed they are about information and the protection of their licensed property. You didn't happen to post this did you? xD

Before getting your panties in a wad you might wanna give them some more time to respond. Believe it or not you probably are not high on their priority list of things to do ASAP.

" its been 4 hours" lol.

The only thing you can say about beta, is say you are in the beta.  That's all that bioware said you can mention on their website.

So if you let slip that you were, let's say, playing a Bounty Hunter, they could if they so choose, to ban you.

Now, I don't care to search your posts here, or at swtor.com, but maybe you should check to see if you accidently let slip something like that.

Maybe you even said, "it doesn't work like that in the game".

Or maybe you are just one of those people that drive faster then the speed limit says you can, and because you weren't caught before, think it was okay to do it again.  And then when you get caught, you B & M.  Or maybe you posted on some site you thought was "safe and hidden", but they knew about it.

Originally posted by grunty

I'm gonna call troll on this one. Nothing but the same remarks slightly reworded for the last 15 comments by the OP. I'm out. I suggest y'all do the same.

yeah, 4 hours? lol

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

Originally posted by tillamook

Next time you should'nt call your buddy up to come watch you play the game over your shoulder. That would be a violation of the agreement

Then it looks like I need to get some new friends if they are reporting me to Bioware. I will have an inquisition on the morrow of all my "friends" and get to the bottom of this.

 

Lol jk I live in a basement that I have tranformed into a dungeon. I don't have friends or see the light of day, my only friends are my magic cards and I doubt any of them reported me, unless they can speak, which I have tried to enchant them and perhaps they have come to life.

Yeah I was just joking. It sucks to get banned, at the same time don't let it taint your oppinion of the game. I assumed BioWare would be pretty harsh on their policies, considering how closed they are about information and the protection of their licensed property. You didn't happen to post this did you? xD

No I did not post, that. Lol.

THanks for everyones constructive criticism, I didn't come here to flame, or rag on Bioware. Some of you were skeptical I understand.

In the end I supposed this thread brought up bigger concepts, like what it means to be a public game tester.

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

Originally posted by tillamook

Next time you should'nt call your buddy up to come watch you play the game over your shoulder. That would be a violation of the agreement

Then it looks like I need to get some new friends if they are reporting me to Bioware. I will have an inquisition on the morrow of all my "friends" and get to the bottom of this.

 

Lol jk I live in a basement that I have tranformed into a dungeon. I don't have friends or see the light of day, my only friends are my magic cards and I doubt any of them reported me, unless they can speak, which I have tried to enchant them and perhaps they have come to life.

Yeah I was just joking. It sucks to get banned, at the same time don't let it taint your oppinion of the game. I assumed BioWare would be pretty harsh on their policies, considering how closed they are about information and the protection of their licensed property. You didn't happen to post this did you? xD

No I did not post, that. Lol.

 But he knows a guy who did post that.

It's called a NDA (NON DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT) and you signed it when you accepted and registered the code, or were you too busy clicking yes to everything?

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

Don't take this the wrong way, but if you are talking about being banned from the Closed Beta here on MMORPG.com, which last time I checked once you sign a closed beta you are not to mention your closed beta inclusion to anyone, then I gotta believe you have no issue talking about illegal activities.   I've been in closed betas before that if you say talk about exploits ingame chat, they will ban you.  They want you reporting exploits view your reports, not discussing for everyone in the beta to see.

 

Are you in the beta? There is no Player vs player combat, the combat at this point is all against NPCs. So no I was not discussing exploits anywhere nor would it really give anyone an unfair advantage. I was litterally reporting bugs every few minutes as I ran into them, giving detailed information about the time/location/circumstances.

Has anyone found the part of the game tester agreement that mentions discussing illegal activity?

 

My thought is that it depends on what they mean by "illegal activity".

My second thought is "what WERE you discussing".

Now, don't go blabbing that on these forums as you don't want to get banned here as well, but why would they single you out? You might not think you did anything wrong but maybe you did something that another might be construed as wrong?

In any case, 4 hours is not enough time to process your rebuttal. I would say a day or so.

It's not like you are the only thing they need to address during the beta test.

And I certainly hope that you responded like an adult and were polite as opposed to calling them thought police?

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

Don't take this the wrong way, but if you are talking about being banned from the Closed Beta here on MMORPG.com, which last time I checked once you sign a closed beta you are not to mention your closed beta inclusion to anyone, then I gotta believe you have no issue talking about illegal activities.   I've been in closed betas before that if you say talk about exploits ingame chat, they will ban you.  They want you reporting exploits view your reports, not discussing for everyone in the beta to see.

 

Are you in the beta? There is no Player vs player combat, the combat at this point is all against NPCs. So no I was not discussing exploits anywhere nor would it really give anyone an unfair advantage. I was litterally reporting bugs every few minutes as I ran into them, giving detailed information about the time/location/circumstances.

Has anyone found the part of the game tester agreement that mentions discussing illegal activity?

 

Game developers are not stupid.  All they have to do is ask the mmorpg.com staff the i.p. address of the original poster of the thread, and if it matches an ip in their tracking system, then you seriously screwed up and I doubt you'll ever get your permissions back to play.  Don't mean to sound negative here, but I'm almost positive that the appeals process for getting unbanned doesn't included trying to plead your case in the court of public opinion on MMORPG.com

Originally posted by Darthyoyo

 Did you discuss with anyone else any information about the testing or gameplay? 

 Do you mean while in the game?I havent discussed it in any forums until now.

And in the game I really didn't say anything non-quest related. So no I haven't discussed it publicy until now.

So, since you got banned you might as well spill the beans about the game.. I mean you're already banned...