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razerblade29 Novice Member Joined: 2/17/04 Posts: 233	9/14/10 7:24:27 PM#41 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by vesavius *Originally posted by razerblade29* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by SgtFrog* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by Zeroxin* *Originally posted by vesavius* Box cost + having to pay extra for 'fluff' content (which is actually really important in a game imo) = double dip to me in a game that I thought was pure B2P :( What we're trying to tell you is that the "fluff" IS NOT important to your progression.... what don't you get?? No need to be rude, I certainly havent been, I get exactly what is being said. My point is that 'fluff' is important to me and i am dissapointed that this game will charge me extra for it. We arnt all about 'prgression' you know? Some of us like to play the game to earn the so called 'fluff'. Now I know i will have to buy it as an extra i will probably pass. Please, lets not turn this into a nasty thread, i am not flaming anyone. What would you rather have charge extra for fluff or a subscription? They got to pay the bills and make a profit somehow Well, personally, I am play to achieve gamer (rather then pay to achieve), so i would rather pay a sub and play to earn my 'fluff', but thats just me. Like i say, now I know that I will have to pay extra for all that now i will probably pass on this game. I am sure it will be great for the people that like to buy their in game stuff for their character though :) Just to clear things up cause people aren't able to. Im assuming here that u consider fluff; vanity pets, costumes, mounts, special titles, and anything that you would be able to display on your character in game. Assuming that is correct, GW1 did not have any of that in its cash shop, and anything that would be displayed as an achievement for your character you would earn by doing in game stuff, ill repeat. YOU EARN EVERY ACHIEVEMENT IN GW1. Now they plan on making GW2 cash shop the exact same thing. So in GW2 there will be no; pets, mounts, clothing, weapons, stat changing items, achievements of any kind in its cash shop Thank you for knowing the difference between fluff and in game services, and for giving me the first clear answer all thread. So it is just game services they are charging for? ok, well thats better and good to hear. your welcome, and to reference your sig to make it even more simple for anyone else, they are using 1 and 2.
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Vesavius Old School Joined: 3/08/04 Posts: 5374 Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.	9/14/10 7:24:34 PM#42 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Zeroxin *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by dinams* You buy the box = You get the content of the entire fucking game. Do you? ok, because others have told me in this same thread that i will only get approx 85% of the content from the box alone. Which is it? btw, you are very angry. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT LOTRO when he said 85% blah blah blah!!! I knew that confused you .... jeez.... Like we've been trying to tell you for the past 3 pages. You can earn what you need in-game.. Fluff and all. All the stuff you can by from the shop doesn't make you any better at the game.... good lord, you are angry as well. look, someone calmer and clearer then you has answered me now, you can go and take your pills and have a biscuit :)
bazak Hard Core Member Joined: 11/05/07 Posts: 269	9/14/10 7:25:45 PM#43 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by vesavius *Originally posted by razerblade29* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by SgtFrog* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by Zeroxin* *Originally posted by vesavius* Box cost + having to pay extra for 'fluff' content (which is actually really important in a game imo) = double dip to me in a game that I thought was pure B2P :( What we're trying to tell you is that the "fluff" IS NOT important to your progression.... what don't you get?? No need to be rude, I certainly havent been, I get exactly what is being said. My point is that 'fluff' is important to me and i am dissapointed that this game will charge me extra for it. We arnt all about 'prgression' you know? Some of us like to play the game to earn the so called 'fluff'. Now I know i will have to buy it as an extra i will probably pass. Please, lets not turn this into a nasty thread, i am not flaming anyone. What would you rather have charge extra for fluff or a subscription? They got to pay the bills and make a profit somehow Well, personally, I am play to achieve gamer (rather then pay to achieve), so i would rather pay a sub and play to earn my 'fluff', but thats just me. Like i say, now I know that I will have to pay extra for all that now i will probably pass on this game. I am sure it will be great for the people that like to buy their in game stuff for their character though :) Just to clear things up cause people aren't able to. Im assuming here that u consider fluff; vanity pets, costumes, mounts, special titles, and anything that you would be able to display on your character in game. Assuming that is correct, GW1 did not have any of that in its cash shop, and anything that would be displayed as an achievement for your character you would earn by doing in game stuff, ill repeat. YOU EARN EVERY ACHIEVEMENT IN GW1. Now they plan on making GW2 cash shop the exact same thing. So in GW2 there will be no; pets, mounts, clothing, weapons, stat changing items, achievements of any kind in its cash shop Thank you for knowing the difference between fluff and in game services, and for giving me the first clear answer all thread. So it is just game services they are charging for? ok, well thats better and good to hear. i was under the impression game services were fluff.. seeing as they are totaly unrequired and placed there just in case someone wants to use them
Vesavius Old School Joined: 3/08/04 Posts: 5374 Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.	9/14/10 7:25:57 PM#44 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by razerblade29 *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by razerblade29* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by SgtFrog* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by Zeroxin* *Originally posted by vesavius* Box cost + having to pay extra for 'fluff' content (which is actually really important in a game imo) = double dip to me in a game that I thought was pure B2P :( What we're trying to tell you is that the "fluff" IS NOT important to your progression.... what don't you get?? No need to be rude, I certainly havent been, I get exactly what is being said. My point is that 'fluff' is important to me and i am dissapointed that this game will charge me extra for it. We arnt all about 'prgression' you know? Some of us like to play the game to earn the so called 'fluff'. Now I know i will have to buy it as an extra i will probably pass. Please, lets not turn this into a nasty thread, i am not flaming anyone. What would you rather have charge extra for fluff or a subscription? They got to pay the bills and make a profit somehow Well, personally, I am play to achieve gamer (rather then pay to achieve), so i would rather pay a sub and play to earn my 'fluff', but thats just me. Like i say, now I know that I will have to pay extra for all that now i will probably pass on this game. I am sure it will be great for the people that like to buy their in game stuff for their character though :) Just to clear things up cause people aren't able to. Im assuming here that u consider fluff; vanity pets, costumes, mounts, special titles, and anything that you would be able to display on your character in game. Assuming that is correct, GW1 did not have any of that in its cash shop, and anything that would be displayed as an achievement for your character you would earn by doing in game stuff, ill repeat. YOU EARN EVERY ACHIEVEMENT IN GW1. Now they plan on making GW2 cash shop the exact same thing. So in GW2 there will be no; pets, mounts, clothing, weapons, stat changing items, achievements of any kind in its cash shop Thank you for knowing the difference between fluff and in game services, and for giving me the first clear answer all thread. So it is just game services they are charging for? ok, well thats better and good to hear. your welcome, and to reference your sig to make it even more simple for anyone else, they are using 1 and 2. ok great :)
Etherouge Apprentice Member Joined: 11/22/09 Posts: 450	9/14/10 7:27:48 PM#45 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Yeah, it'll strictly be extra character slots and name changes and whatnot. Just the technical stuff. I hope we start out with at least four storage panes. Two isn't enough and I hated the fact you needed to buy extras.
User Deleted	9/14/10 7:28:57 PM#46 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by DanMcC Yeah, it'll strictly be extra character slots and name changes and whatnot. Just the technical stuff. I hope we start out with at least four storage panes. Two isn't enough and I hated the fact you needed to buy extras. Are you sure about that? http://www.massively.com/2009/12/18/guild-wars-adds-costumes-just-in-time-for-wintersday/
dinams Apprentice Member Joined: 6/17/10 Posts: 1051	9/14/10 7:32:16 PM#47 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by SgtFrog *Originally posted by DanMcC* Yeah, it'll strictly be extra character slots and name changes and whatnot. Just the technical stuff. I hope we start out with at least four storage panes. Two isn't enough and I hated the fact you needed to buy extras. Are you sure about that? http://www.massively.com/2009/12/18/guild-wars-adds-costumes-just-in-time-for-wintersday/ I dont think there are costumes slots in GW2. Just to do not cause any confusions about this one... Q: What are costumes? A: Costumes are items that are equipped into a character's costume slots to change their appearance. Costumes are decorative items only. They are worn over a character's existing armor without affecting any stats. "Some of the less objective people tend to be close-minded though and basically disregard any possible shortcomings that gw2 could have." -RobertDinh Objectiveness since 2009
Vesavius Old School Joined: 3/08/04 Posts: 5374 Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.	9/14/10 7:32:17 PM#48 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by SgtFrog *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by razerblade29* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by SgtFrog* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by Zeroxin* *Originally posted by vesavius* Box cost + having to pay extra for 'fluff' content (which is actually really important in a game imo) = double dip to me in a game that I thought was pure B2P :( What we're trying to tell you is that the "fluff" IS NOT important to your progression.... what don't you get?? No need to be rude, I certainly havent been, I get exactly what is being said. My point is that 'fluff' is important to me and i am dissapointed that this game will charge me extra for it. We arnt all about 'prgression' you know? Some of us like to play the game to earn the so called 'fluff'. Now I know i will have to buy it as an extra i will probably pass. Please, lets not turn this into a nasty thread, i am not flaming anyone. What would you rather have charge extra for fluff or a subscription? They got to pay the bills and make a profit somehow Well, personally, I am play to achieve gamer (rather then pay to achieve), so i would rather pay a sub and play to earn my 'fluff', but thats just me. Like i say, now I know that I will have to pay extra for all that now i will probably pass on this game. I am sure it will be great for the people that like to buy their in game stuff for their character though :) Just to clear things up cause people aren't able to. Im assuming here that u consider fluff; vanity pets, costumes, mounts, special titles, and anything that you would be able to display on your character in game. Assuming that is correct, GW1 did not have any of that in its cash shop, and anything that would be displayed as an achievement for your character you would earn by doing in game stuff, ill repeat. YOU EARN EVERY ACHIEVEMENT IN GW1. Now they plan on making GW2 cash shop the exact same thing. So in GW2 there will be no; pets, mounts, clothing, weapons, stat changing items, achievements of any kind in its cash shop Thank you for knowing the difference between fluff and in game services, and for giving me the first clear answer all thread. So it is just game services they are charging for? ok, well thats better and good to hear. http://www.massively.com/2009/12/18/guild-wars-adds-costumes-just-in-time-for-wintersday/ Maybe raz needs to do a little research first. Meh, well, I take that back. Looks like NCSoft are imposing the same double dip approach onto this franchise as they did Aion after all. Looks like all those angry guys shouting at me that I get 100% of the 'fluff' content from the box were just wrong. Thats a shame.
twrule Apprentice Member Joined: 7/15/09 Posts: 786	9/14/10 7:34:08 PM#49 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by vesavius *Originally posted by SgtFrog* http://www.massively.com/2009/12/18/guild-wars-adds-costumes-just-in-time-for-wintersday/ Maybe raz needs to do a little research first. Meh, well, I take that back. Looks like NCSoft are imposing the same double dip approach onto this game as they did Aion after all. Looks like all those angry guys shouting at me that I get 100% of the 'fluff' content from the box were just wrong. Thats a shame. That's GW1, not GW2. As far as I've seen there's been no official info specifying that cosmetic items will be part of the cash shop in GW2.
dinams Apprentice Member Joined: 6/17/10 Posts: 1051	9/14/10 7:34:45 PM#50 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by vesavius *Originally posted by SgtFrog* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by razerblade29* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by SgtFrog* *Originally posted by vesavius* *Originally posted by Zeroxin* *Originally posted by vesavius* Box cost + having to pay extra for 'fluff' content (which is actually really important in a game imo) = double dip to me in a game that I thought was pure B2P :( What we're trying to tell you is that the "fluff" IS NOT important to your progression.... what don't you get?? No need to be rude, I certainly havent been, I get exactly what is being said. My point is that 'fluff' is important to me and i am dissapointed that this game will charge me extra for it. We arnt all about 'prgression' you know? Some of us like to play the game to earn the so called 'fluff'. Now I know i will have to buy it as an extra i will probably pass. Please, lets not turn this into a nasty thread, i am not flaming anyone. What would you rather have charge extra for fluff or a subscription? They got to pay the bills and make a profit somehow Well, personally, I am play to achieve gamer (rather then pay to achieve), so i would rather pay a sub and play to earn my 'fluff', but thats just me. Like i say, now I know that I will have to pay extra for all that now i will probably pass on this game. I am sure it will be great for the people that like to buy their in game stuff for their character though :) Just to clear things up cause people aren't able to. Im assuming here that u consider fluff; vanity pets, costumes, mounts, special titles, and anything that you would be able to display on your character in game. Assuming that is correct, GW1 did not have any of that in its cash shop, and anything that would be displayed as an achievement for your character you would earn by doing in game stuff, ill repeat. YOU EARN EVERY ACHIEVEMENT IN GW1. Now they plan on making GW2 cash shop the exact same thing. So in GW2 there will be no; pets, mounts, clothing, weapons, stat changing items, achievements of any kind in its cash shop Thank you for knowing the difference between fluff and in game services, and for giving me the first clear answer all thread. So it is just game services they are charging for? ok, well thats better and good to hear. http://www.massively.com/2009/12/18/guild-wars-adds-costumes-just-in-time-for-wintersday/ Maybe raz needs to do a little research first. Meh, well, I take that back. Looks like NCSoft are imposing the same double dip approach onto this franchise as they did Aion after all. Looks like all those angry guys shouting at me that I get 100% of the 'fluff' content from the box were just wrong. Thats a shame. OMFG I cant believe that I dont saw it before. I got trolled -.- Screw this, im out "Some of the less objective people tend to be close-minded though and basically disregard any possible shortcomings that gw2 could have." -RobertDinh Objectiveness since 2009
kzaske Advanced Member Joined: 9/28/09 Posts: 471	9/14/10 7:35:14 PM#51 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) When you buy the box, you get ALL of the content, ALL of the armor, access to ALL of the weapons and access to ALL of the skills. There is nothing in the planned cash shop that will improve your charecter at all. No double XP coins, No mana boosters, no special weapons or mounts. The only thing in the planned cash shop is coustumes, name/server/sex changes, extra charector slots and expansions to the game (when and if any are released). Addational storage panes have not been confirmed. Guild Wars 2 is a Buy the Box to play game. PERIOD. There is no need to EVER use the cash shop. This is a design goal of the developers; "there will be nothing in item shop that affects game play, ever." Ken /\|\
dinams Apprentice Member Joined: 6/17/10 Posts: 1051	9/14/10 7:37:15 PM#52 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Ignore this and move along. Hes clearly making himself a completely idiot to get this kind of reactions. Just let this thread die. "Some of the less objective people tend to be close-minded though and basically disregard any possible shortcomings that gw2 could have." -RobertDinh Objectiveness since 2009
Miles-Prower Novice Member Joined: 2/26/10 Posts: 1117 I'm a Brony and proud. Friendship, Love and acceptance. What's not to love?	9/14/10 7:37:37 PM#53 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by kzaske When you buy the box, you get ALL of the content, ALL of the armor, access to ALL of the weapons and access to ALL of the skills. There is nothing in the planned cash shop that will improve your charecter at all. No double XP coins, No mana boosters, no special weapons or mounts. The only thing in the planned cash shop is coustumes, name/server/sex changes, extra charector slots and expansions to the game (when and if any are released). Addational storage panes have not been confirmed. Guild Wars 2 is a Buy the Box to play game. PERIOD. There is no need to EVER use the cash shop. This is a design goal of the developers; "there will be nothing in item shop that affects game play, ever." Ken /\|\ Yes, but I think the OP thinks Costume items are considered "Gameplay items", too. Anything cosmetic or unobtainable any other way, as seen by his signature... ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can! Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!
Vesavius Old School Joined: 3/08/04 Posts: 5374 Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.	9/14/10 7:38:31 PM#54 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by kzaske When you buy the box, you get ALL of the content... The only thing in the planned cash shop is coustumes Which are fluff by defintion, and fluff is content. what about pets, Aion style? maybe NCSoft will give you those as well? goal of the developers; "there will be nothing in item shop that affects game play, ever." Thats not the point of the enquiry I am making.
User Deleted	9/14/10 7:38:39 PM#55 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) 6 pages on the payment model? good lord, it's not rocket science OP go here, http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/game-faq/ and here, http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/287180/Everything-We-Know-about-GW2.html
Vesavius Old School Joined: 3/08/04 Posts: 5374 Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.	9/14/10 7:40:36 PM#56 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by dinams Ignore this and move along. Hes clearly making himself a completely idiot to get this kind of reactions. Just let this thread die. excuse me, but it was you that was proven wrong when you suported that the box cost would cover 100% of the content (including all in game rewards) and that only game services would be extra. No need to call anyone an idiot if no one is calling you one (who would have more reason maybe).
razerblade29 Novice Member Joined: 2/17/04 Posts: 233	9/14/10 7:40:55 PM#57 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by SgtFrog *Originally posted by DanMcC* Yeah, it'll strictly be extra character slots and name changes and whatnot. Just the technical stuff. I hope we start out with at least four storage panes. Two isn't enough and I hated the fact you needed to buy extras. Are you sure about that? http://www.massively.com/2009/12/18/guild-wars-adds-costumes-just-in-time-for-wintersday/ ok so it took them 5 years to add fluff items. Better than most games and it was recent so I missed it cause i stopped playing gw1 along time ago
Vesavius Old School Joined: 3/08/04 Posts: 5374 Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this.	9/14/10 7:41:54 PM#58 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by arenasb 6 pages on the payment model? good lord, it's not rocket science well, to be fair, i think it has only reached 6 pages due to the fact that so many of the game's followers arnt very clear on what the payment model will actually cover and what will be charged as an extra.
User Deleted	9/14/10 7:41:58 PM#59 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by vesavius *Originally posted by dinams* Ignore this and move along. Hes clearly making himself a completely idiot to get this kind of reactions. Just let this thread die. excuse me, but it was you that was proven wrong when you suported that the box cost would cover 100% of the content (including all in game rewards) and that only game services would be extra. No need to call anyone an idiot if no one is calling you one (who would have more reason maybe). Just ignore people who are trolling.
Miles-Prower Novice Member Joined: 2/26/10 Posts: 1117 I'm a Brony and proud. Friendship, Love and acceptance. What's not to love?	9/14/10 7:42:07 PM#60 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I predict this thread getting locked in the near future... ~Miles "Tails" Prower out! Catch me if you can! Come Join us at www.globalequestria.com - Meet other fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic!