Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

So judged an entire games content based on 3 hours in a beta?  Sums it up pretty well.

 

Did I miss some? Enlighten me.

I did this on three toons, thinking mabye that starter area was just unfinished. Its the same story at each of the starting locations. After exploring and finding the other towns, I found there was also nothing to do there untill the 48 hours was up.

you found other towns?

i've tried but i get one-shot killed no matter what path i take

Originally posted by gatheris

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

So judged an entire games content based on 3 hours in a beta?  Sums it up pretty well.

 

Did I miss some? Enlighten me.

I did this on three toons, thinking mabye that starter area was just unfinished. Its the same story at each of the starting locations. After exploring and finding the other towns, I found there was also nothing to do there untill the 48 hours was up.

you found other towns?

i've tried but i get one-shot killed no matter what path i take

 

Yes, its a 20 min walk at least. and, there are guildleaves there.... That you can't do for 48 real world hours.

Originally posted by elocke

Yes you did. You said "only idiots would expect players to refrain from forming opinions of the game they are playing" which is the point I was talking about in the last few posts, about judging a game based on Beta. But anyway, it doesn't matter. How many Open Betas have you played that were limited content? I never have. Also how many Open Betas changed on launch day? I can think of at least 2 games off the bat that did this, of course they changed them for the worse, but still the precedent is there, at least from another company if we are going to lump these Open Betas into a generic place.

Which I don't think we can really do since it's SE and they do things VERY different as opposed to their competition.

I played in LOTRO beta, and yes we're in agreement that that MMOs are usually patched at launch day, but I suppose we're in disagreement about the possibilities of a launch-day patch. I don't remember clearly, but for LOTRO, they tweaked some of the quests that were confusing or otherwise completely broken, and did many other relatively minor things. These changes, in my experience, are usually along the lines of what SE's patches for FFXIV have been like:

Originally posted by grapevine

 

 

Correction, it does not let you have full access to the story arc.  Everything else is there.  If they wanted to make it centric to the story arc, with nothing else, then they should have simply made it a single player game.

You have an opinion.  Thats great.  We all know what opinions are like right?

After playing a few random quest based mmos and getting a little older, I've realized that without some type of story, mmos are just time sinks.  That story can come about in two ways.  FIrst through a sandbox setting with enough tools so that the players can create it themselves, and secondly through a story driven plot designed by the devs.  Guess you should tell Bioware that their game is a waste of time too right? 

Just watch over the next year how many of those other mmos that everyone is putting so much faith into flop horribly because they don't know their audience.  I think FFIV knows it audience and it will cater to them, not the hoard of discontents who never enjoy a game because they are too busy criticizing it.

*EDIT*  Want to add one more thing.  People have been asking for a mmo that has unexpected danger and challenging gameplay.  This seems to have some of those qualities and people complain.  If you want to be spoon fed your content, go elsewhere.  There is more to do than kill.  Exploring is an activity that can be fun.  Socializing.  Crafting(better system than I've seen in years), Gathering (see last).  They designed a RPG, not a character sheet with quest boxes to check off one by one. 

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

 Yeah, no more content in beta.

These people that are basing the game on their beta experience still crack me up.  When will they learn that beta isn't a full playable demo with all the content released.

When will they learn this?

Anyways, I played up till level 15 several times throughout the different betas and enjoyed it every time, despite not having much content, I, personally, understood my role as a tester and knew that what I was experiencing is not the whole game, and that it would be very stupid and narrow minded of me to assume that.

Originally posted by vanderghast

Originally posted by VikingGamer

The game is much more directed towards the explorers than to the achievers. 

 

 

You think a world that's mostly just corridors will appeal to the explorer gamer type?

 

No, games that appeal to explorers are games like vanguard with their huge open worlds.  There's nothing to do in this game for an explorer.  Sure there's a few cool things in town but all the outdoor areas i've seen are boring as hell.

Did you mostly just play Gridania? The other areas are quite about more open. The forest however is supposed to be harder to move around in, thus more limited to straight passages. But that is not really what I was getting at. Even a game with wide open spaces can be linear in how it leads you though that space. Do quest here until lvl 5 then go here and do quests until 10 then go here and so on is not really open ended exploring to discover the story of the area. What FFXIV does is to give you an environment and then lets you choose where to go and who to talk to, to find out more about it. So there are corridors in the forest. The black shroud is basically a giant hedge maze but you are more often choosing where to turn in that maze rather than being lead by the nose. The leves point you to specific though random places but beyond those and the story quests you are basically left to discover on your own.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by gatheris

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

So judged an entire games content based on 3 hours in a beta?  Sums it up pretty well.

 

Did I miss some? Enlighten me.

I did this on three toons, thinking mabye that starter area was just unfinished. Its the same story at each of the starting locations. After exploring and finding the other towns, I found there was also nothing to do there untill the 48 hours was up.

you found other towns?

i've tried but i get one-shot killed no matter what path i take

 

Yes, its a 20 min walk at least. and, there are guildleaves there.... That you can't do for 48 real world hours.

 cool for you :)

i've tried going in one direction or another for hours and once it seems i'm getting close i get killed by one thing or another that is hitting for a 1,000 or more

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

No its not, and if it is, its only for closed beta players.

Meanwhile, the rest of us can only go on what we have seen. and that about 2 hours of main quest, and and endlessgrind for no reasion.

It sounds to me like you are just burnt out on MMORPG's.

Originally posted by gatheris

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

So judged an entire games content based on 3 hours in a beta?  Sums it up pretty well.

 

Did I miss some? Enlighten me.

I did this on three toons, thinking mabye that starter area was just unfinished. Its the same story at each of the starting locations. After exploring and finding the other towns, I found there was also nothing to do there untill the 48 hours was up.

you found other towns?

i've tried but i get one-shot killed no matter what path i take

 

 He found nothing to do because players who have either played WoW or Lotro are looking for quests to show and tell them what to do.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by gatheris

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by ProfRed

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

So judged an entire games content based on 3 hours in a beta?  Sums it up pretty well.

 

Did I miss some? Enlighten me.

I did this on three toons, thinking mabye that starter area was just unfinished. Its the same story at each of the starting locations. After exploring and finding the other towns, I found there was also nothing to do there untill the 48 hours was up.

you found other towns?

i've tried but i get one-shot killed no matter what path i take

 

 He found nothing to do because players who have either played WoW or Lotro are looking for quests to show and tell them what to do.

That must be it! Its not a lack of content, no, its me. Amazing as im a devloper for wurm online, a sandbox game.

What other content is there?

Originally posted by Dragim

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

 Yeah, no more content in beta.

These people that are basing the game on their beta experience still crack me up.  When will they learn that beta isn't a full playable demo with all the content released.

When will they learn this?

Anyways, I played up till level 15 several times throughout the different betas and enjoyed it every time, despite not having much content, I, personally, understood my role as a tester and knew that what I was experiencing is not the whole game, and that it would be very stupid and narrow minded of me to assume that.

15 days. There are only 3 mods of play. Guildleaves, main quest, or craft.

Awesome.

Originally posted by Borluc

Originally posted by grapevine

 

 

Correction, it does not let you have full access to the story arc.  Everything else is there.  If they wanted to make it centric to the story arc, with nothing else, then they should have simply made it a single player game.

 

You have an opinion.  Thats great.  We all know what opinions are like right?

After playing a few random quest based mmos and getting a little older, I've realized that without some type of story, mmos are just time sinks.  That story can come about in two ways.  FIrst through a sandbox setting with enough tools so that the players can create it themselves, and secondly through a story driven plot designed by the devs.  Guess you should tell Bioware that their game is a waste of time too right? 

Just watch over the next year how many of those other mmos that everyone is putting so much faith into flop horribly because they don't know their audience.  I think FFIV knows it audience and it will cater to them, not the hoard of discontents who never enjoy a game because they are too busy criticizing it.

 

*EDIT*  Want to add one more thing.  People have been asking for a mmo that has unexpected danger and challenging gameplay.  This seems to have some of those qualities and people complain.  If you want to be spoon fed your content, go elsewhere.  There is more to do than kill.  Exploring is an activity that can be fun.  Socializing.  Crafting(better system than I've seen in years), Gathering (see last).  They designed a RPG, not a character sheet with quest boxes to check off one by one. 

Actually most MMOs these days have a story line element, which one follows.  Such as volumes and books in LOTRO.  The big difference is that isn't all they offer.  Take the story arc away from FF XIV and you are left with a 100% grinder.

FF XIV is not sand box.  Other than crafting, which even themepark MMOs have, it has zero of the required mechanics.  The players can have no means of making a vitural enviorment, or affect the game in any way.  At best you can use the fixed enviroments for role playing.  FF XIV is a themepark MMO, with hefty restrictions. 

There is also zero challenage in FF XIV.  You tank and spank mobs, period.

It not having contant (other than the full story arc) missing is not an opinion.  Its how it is.  You can't be spoon feed content, when it simply doesn't exist anyway.

Double post

Also, content-wise, guild leves are not turned on yet....

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

Welcome to beta :bang: This Open-Beta does not let you have access to the entire game 

 

Correction, it does not let you have full access to the story arc.  Everything else is there.  If they wanted to make it centric to the story arc, with nothing else, then they should have simply made it a single player game.

Oh still here trolling the FF forums for somthing you are clearly not interested in.

Again I ask you to prove evidence of your point you make????

(is it possible to report a troller of ever forum this kind of unsustantiated attitude?)

Again I will post a bit of info from the BETA GUIDE written by the people  who are actually making the game. I think I am more inclined to believe SE over trollers!!!

During the Beta Test phase, there will be a total of eighteen types of arms and tools available: five types for Disciples of War, two types for Disciples of Magic, three types for Disciples of the Land, and eight types for Disciples of the Hand.

* For the duration of the Beta Test, characters KO’d will receive a weakness penalty which will not only lower total HP, but also reduce the speed with which their stamina gauge fills, as well as increase the length of casting times. This penalty will last five minutes before wearing off.

* Beta version contains only a fraction of what is planned in the full version.

In the Beta version, a character's race, clan, gender, nameday, and guardian do not affect his/her attributes.A maximum of three characters can be created per account.

* Physical level and Class ranks caps will be set at 30 for the Beta Test Phase.

Q: Do Disciples of the Land and Disciples of the Hand have any battle options other than throwing stones?
A: Not during the Beta tests.

Originally posted by Professor78

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

Welcome to beta :bang: This Open-Beta does not let you have access to the entire game 

 

Correction, it does not let you have full access to the story arc.  Everything else is there.  If they wanted to make it centric to the story arc, with nothing else, then they should have simply made it a single player game.

Oh still here trolling the FF forums for somthing you are clearly not interested in.

Again I ask you to prove evidence of your point you make????

(is it possible to report a troller of ever forum this kind of unsustantiated attitude?)

By the way trolling isn't stating something that's true, and you just not happening to like it.  I am interested in the development of this game, as I've been in it since closed beta 2.  I was even excited and looking forward to it at one point.  Its not mine or other's fault SE aren't bothered if they put out a POS.

It was posted in closed beta that content was being held back, which they unlocked (other than for the full story arc) for open beta.  That content turned out to be nothing more than additional areas, with no additional content features.

We are less than two weeks from launch.  You seriously believe there's heaps of content just being hidden?

Personally, i didnt like the game.  It took me too long to get it set up to the point where it was playable with my 360 Controller.  Then the combat was sluggish and very unintuitive.  The game took upwards of a minute to load up NPC's and PC's in the populated areas (i have a very high end rig with a very decent internet connection, so it wasnt on my end).  Overall was a horrible first 3 hours of game play and I havent been able to force myself back in.  Just the idea of having to deal with the patcher alone makes me not want to do it.

I can understand why people like the game.  But all of you that like it really need to realize that the large portion of people who try the game dont.  They arent all here complaining about the game just cause tehy like to do that (ok, maybe some of them are) but they cant all be wrong.  The game has some serious flaws and unfortunately in an MMO world you only have one chance to make your first impression.  I'm sure the game will do well mainly because of the hardcore fans that are willing to find workarounds or simply put up with the games design flaws.  And im happy for that, I hope the game does succeed.  But it does not have what it takes to succeed in the Western market.

I hope those of you that stay enjoy the game, and I hope those of you that dont can do it with some dignity and not bash someone elses play style.  This game simply isnt what most of us are looking for in an MMO in the year 2010.

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by Professor78

Originally posted by grapevine

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Main quest drys up in about 30 min of gameplay. Then, you can only do 8 quests in 48 hours.

So, about three hours into the game. Then I realized there is no content.

Welcome to beta :bang: This Open-Beta does not let you have access to the entire game 

 

Correction, it does not let you have full access to the story arc.  Everything else is there.  If they wanted to make it centric to the story arc, with nothing else, then they should have simply made it a single player game.

Oh still here trolling the FF forums for somthing you are clearly not interested in.

Again I ask you to prove evidence of your point you make????

(is it possible to report a troller of ever forum this kind of unsustantiated attitude?)

 

By the way trolling isn't stating something that's true, and you just not happening to like it.  I am interested in the deveopment of this game as I've been in it since closed beta 2.  It not mine or other's fault SE aren't bother if they put out a POS.

 

It was posted in closed beta that content was being held back, they unlocked it other than for the full story arc for open beta.

 

We are less than two weeks from launch.  You seriously believe there's heaps of content just being hidden?

Yes I do, I take SE word over the negativity on these forums anyday. The 6gb we are mising can not possibly just be the Arc. But I guess we will see in a couple of weeks. But SE are the masters of content and I am quite sure they have a internal team specifically for testing questlines and such, there track record with FFs is phenomenal. Speak to some non-generic named NPC's and you will find that what they are saying is like offering a quest, but alas none is given....for now.

LOL, its not missing 6Gb of content.  Its the (additional) recommended space needed for the install, plus the complete story arc, which is likely to lead into other unseen areas.  A new area with no content, is just another place to grind.  Its exactly the same as the unlock between closed and open beta, in that respect.

Anyway, good luck with the miracle patch, as they are vapourware.