Originally posted by batolemaeus

1 ] a quick background check during an interview on teamspeak.

2] New members are only given access to ammo and t1 module hangars, with ship replacement directly handled by their mentor.

3]  There has never been an incident in years..

4] People who let accumulated e-peen points guide their recruitment process are pretty easy to infiltrate.

1]  What background does  a 3m sp player have?  You have absoloutly NO IDEA who he is.

2] Spy's are not interested in your loot.  Theifs dont need hanger access to steal, Leechers dont need to be given anything to leech.

3] If noone is taking an interest in your corp, then your corp is un-interesting.

4] Regardless of Theives, spys and leechers, Skill Points indicate which ships you can fly and which modules you can use.  at 3m SP you can barly defend himself, let alone defending territory.  They arnt E-Peen points, they are SKILL points, if you dont have the skill points to use certain ships and modules then you dont have the experience either.

No, they're exclusively e-peen points. The ability to fly certain ships is more than covered by vets and is hardly an issue after only half a year for regular fleets.

You need people who do stuff; Organize, build and maintain. You don't find those by recruiting by the length of their accumulated skillpoints, because it's not skillpoints that matter there. Even someone without a subbed account can take over parts of corp maintenance.

Screening by corp history is largely inefficient. Undocumented character sales and accounts changing hands turn any fake sense of security by looking at their history into a high risk.
Initial screening and monitoring is far more efficient. You get people's Ip from the Ts and forums visits, you have a mentor who guides them.

Also, a 3m character is more than capable of handling 0.0, especially after getting a month of supervision by an experienced player. Dreddit and Goons more than just prove you wrong on that front.

Originally posted by ChoadSauce

 

I've found that Eve is one of those games that you love to hate.

I just started playing eve about a month and a half ago, I got about 3mil skill points....and i play casual, meaning my venture through the learning is a little slower.

The 3rd day I started playing, I started looking for a corp. I enjoy mining alot so I started posting around that I'm looking for a corp with 24-7 mining ops. This guy responded to me saying "looking for o.o?" to tell you the truth, i had no idea what that meant, I just said "Is there lotsa mining to be had" , "oh yeah, lotsa isk to be had" he responded. So I think, cool, I get to join a large corp with tons of people mining 24-7. little had I known what I had gotten myself into. besides the 3 day adventure I had to endure just to GET to 0.0 sec, I still was confused about the game more than a 8 year old in a strip club.  

A couple of weeks into it, I started regretting leaving empire so soon. I was having such a hard time making ends meet from getting podded constantly by reds passing through.....or rats that would warp scramble me while attempting ratting with my caracal. about 2 months into it, I'm still having a really hard time. I cannot mine solo with my retriever (lost about 6 retrievers and 4 drakes). I've been getting super frustrated and been talking to my corp about going back to empire and they keep telling me " just keep with it, it will get better, you'll learn so much here in 0.0 than in empire" and its so hard to believe them when all thats happening to me is I'll make a moderate amount of isk, than get shat on not soon after by losing a ship or 2 and getting podded.

what really made me lose it was 2 days ago. I was mining peacefully in my retriever, there was about 10 hulks in my fleet, so I was the little puppy following the pack. I  was just filling up my 3rd can of crokite when all of a sudden I noticed I was geting hit by rats....tried to warp out, got warp scrambled so I lost my retriever.......not that big of a deal, but when I warped to my nearest station to dock, ohhh shit, theres a bubble right infront of the station, got popped instantly with a T2 railgun. 

so in summary, I lost a retriever, 3 full cans of crokite and some pretty expensive implants. I'm sure lots of people have worse stories about bigger losses, but keep in mind that im still a newb to this game and it takes alot longer for me to recover from my losses due to me being a casual player. All in all, my question is.....is 0.0 sec right for me? should i go back to empire till i have alot higher SP to actually be able to recover from losses? because so far I've come to the conclusion that nulsec is NOT newb friendly.

 as a newb, you made the classic fail by going into "endgame" situations way too quick.

-always align out or make sure you can warp out asap.

-in 0.0, anything goes.

-you failed to watch local as you would have seen enemies in local chat, so you shouldnt be in space anyways, you should have docked or be hiding in a pos shield for starters.

I should say go back to Empire and learn more before you go into the 0.0 zone.

I didnt mine in 0.0 yet but typically I kill everything else first (if i'm not chaining) and then get in less-than-optimal distance so the bs has a blind spot and hits me less. then drones chew the shield and armor.

Eve is a harsh cold place, by design.

Rule 1.

Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose.

Rule 2.

If you undock in it you count it as lost as soon as you hit that undock button.

Going out in 0.0 in a mining ship before you have developed your situational awareness is akin to committing suicide. You have to watch local like a hawk, you have to know who your friends are, anyone who is not a friend is probably an enemy, you have to fit for the situation (if npcs are scramming you before you can get out put a wcs on), you must always be aligned ready to get away.

I would suggest Ninja Mining to hone your skills and situational awareness and to make a little isk.

Make a spotter safespot at 200km  from a belt (two is better as then there is uncertainty as to where you will arrive), then bm the position of some high value roids that are at least 150km away from your safespot. If you will be using an small agile ship thats usually enough if you are using ore ships then make a second bm in line 200ish km beyond the roid in line with your first SS or else as soon as you arrive at the roid you need to turn around and align for a safeplace (this is more dangerous if you arent absolutely sure local is clear of potential enemies and that there isnt a group waiting on the otherside of any gates to your system).

You check local before you undock to make sure its clear, if its not you shouldnt be mining,  when you warp in you warp to one of the spotter safespots, you check the belt for rats, move to another belt if there are some and call a ratter to kill them, if its clear you warp to within 5 of the roid and align for warp out if necessary, as you are aligning, then and only then do you target the roid and activate your mining lasers. Do not deploy drones when ninja mining, of any kind. Waiting for a drone to come back is suicidal.

Local should be right there and extended as far as it will go if its a busy system, as soon as anything not showing as friendly appears you dock up. You can also dock up if someone shows as friendly but you dont KNOW that they are, standings changes usually lag behind the political landscape.

If rats arrive you warp out, preferrably to a dock or a spotter position in another belt, then you call a ratter in to take care of the rats.

Recommnded ships for ninja mining

Navitas (its small and fast enough to get out, especially with a wcs)

Tormentor (as navitas)

Probe (as navitas but you dont get the mining laser bonus, larger cargo hold though)

Skiff (ore sized cargo hold with 2 pts of wcs inbuilt)

Fair ships for Nija mining

Procurer (paper thin and not very agile, fair cargo hold)

Osprey (cruiser size so not as agile, larger hold and mining bonus)

Thorax (use if you have a hauler)

Scythe (as Osprey)

The only Ore ship that can stand on its own against rats for a little while in 0.0 is the Hulk, and that needs an expensive tank to do so, which makes you a target. Dont try to use the larger mining barges or the Mackinaw, theyre too big and too paper thin to survive on their own, and if you can use a mack you might as well wait for the hulk, doesnt take that much longer to train.

If you want to do some stand there in the belt mining i would recommend a battleship, Rohk or Geddon with a hauler. Rohk will tank better due to it being a shield tanker but dont expect it to stand up to a tripple conq spawn when you have the lows filled with cargo expanders, cpu's and MLU's. Try to make sure someone is ratting in system so you can call on them, and always, always be prepared to warp out.

They don't accept it. They just take it.... Kind of like rape

Didnt read much of this thread.

Choadsaouce seems like youve ended up in one of the corps that dont give a damn about theyre people. How much is the corp tax? They dont protect the miners at all?

Id never stay in a corp like that..
Iam currently "not playing" in eve, just getting my skills for combat. Even with my limited 0.0 experience id say that its completly stupid to get blasted in a XX Mill bucket if you loose most of youre profits.
If the corp got you near NPC corp tax and dont really give a shit, then what does it matter if you "learn" by getting shot to pices by some random people that just happen on youre undefended self?

The people i know thats hanging in 0.0 dont have implants, they know that theyll get blasted at some point.
If you really want to have implants and hang in 0.0 you should get some standing with a npc corp and get a jump clone. Put the implants on the jumper and "be" there when youre not playing.

Even in high-sec you see miners guarded by someone. A good miner corp would have a good amount of miners with a solid group of ships defening while another small group picks up the jettison.
I might be wrong since iam not a miner, but thats the way id do it anyways.

Getting blown up all the time and making even is not cool. If that is the case, move youre stuff to a "safe" place, then leave the corp.
Actualy talking to people before jointing a corp/guild in a game is pretty revealing.
Some corps dont give a damn if you get blasted. Others will rape the ones who did it.

If i were a miner id rather be in a corp that were pvp focused than a pure mining corp. Maybe its hard to get accepted, but theyll jump at a chance to kill whoever is invading theyre system. I bet alot of corps dont mind you mining while theyre ratting ether.

Eve is pretty much a game where youre friend might be youre enemy. Maybe not directly, but people that just want you to midlessly do theyre bidding for a pittance of a reward, isnt really worth hanging out with.

If you hang out in high sec, it might be rewarding to have youre refine scrapmetal(cant remeber what its called) skill trained to max and salvage skill.
This way you can just follow a guy or a group and pick up theyre loot, and salvage and refine it. Might not be verry interresting and exiting, but its fairly safe, and without knowing for certain id think it pay well enough.

eve takes alot of time due to the skill system. Rushing to 0.0 might be tempting. But if you just get shot up with nothing to show for it, what is the point?

Wow, didn't expect this post to get as long as it has lol

Please, try and understand....My corp isn't that careless about who they recruit (i talked to the members for about 3 hours over vent before I was even accepted) And yes, they do their best to protect their fellow miners....My guess is that they just assume everyone in the corp has a hulk and can take a beating, so they just afk mine and watch local. Mining isn't a planned thing in the corp....people are just always mining a belt all the time, so when I feel like mining, I just pop in and go at it, I just say hello to the fleet and go at it. This could be my fault for not asking all the time if someone can tank the rats while in in the belt.

And for all those asking, I'd rather not give out the name of the corp cuz they do have a good reputation, and I don't wish to smear their good name just because I don't know enough about the game to distinct what is a good corp and what is terrible, I will say we are apart of the northern coalition.

My corp has been more than greatful to me for joining them the past couple months, I have access to the mining, general access and industrial tabs in the corp hanger....meaning if I wanted to I could steal ships, millions of isk worth of ore and fittings and skillbooks.....but they met me and ran anoms and mined with me and seen that I am loyal to those that show generousity to me and actually is willing to contribute (and have) to the corp.

and for all those reminding me about my newb mistakes.....I do align everytime I mine.....and I do always have local up, its just so damn populated all the time its hard to keep track and scroll through it every 2 sec. and as far as warp core stabs are concerned. I don't use them on my mining ship.....It's probably my greedy side doing it, the fact of the matter is, even if I did have a WCS on my retriever, it still doesnt guarentee my safety....i lost count to the number of times I've barley made it out of a belt with only 50% hull left....its just the fact of life, retrievers suck in 0.0, But I still do it because I get tired of running anoms all the time, and again....mining is so much more homework friendly :)

This would all be so much easier if I had a 2nd account as a tank while I mine, but I'm not that hardcore in MMO's anymore lol.

to answer your question regen, corp tax is 10% and YES they do protect me when it's called for....but keep in mind, they dont have control over who the rats aggro when they 1st spawn in the belt, and as I said before....retrievers die quickly, almost too quickly.....its mostly situational. and BTW I really liked your sigguestion about making a jumpclone with all the implants I want and just jump to him when I'm not playing, great idea!

joining a 0.0 sec corp right after learning the basics of the game was.....probably a mistake. But learning more and more about living here has made me learn a lot about the game, playstyles, and interesting ways of making isk that can only be done in nullsec, I do enjoy my time here. I just think I need to give it more time, when I can fly better ships to build courage and actually explore a little bit, then enjoy my stay here even more. 

Do I think I'm in a shitty corp? well, if the people in the corp are respectful to newbs and actually have a sense of humor...its not a bad corp in my book.......its interesting though how alot of you mentioned mentoring....I personally wasn't "assigned" to anyone to mentor me at all, I was given a rundown on alot of things about nulsec when I 1st started, and alot of people are willing to answer questions (when they're online lol) So yeah, I did have to figure a lot of things about by myself, and now that I'm more educated about the way things go in the game....yes, I will now know what to look for when joining a new corp, but for now I am content with the current corp I am in, sure it's not perfect (by what i've seen of everyone elses standards) but its my 1st REAL corp that gave me that kick of experience I needed to start making smarter decisions while playing Eve.

I wanted to advise you to not go back to empire but reading your last post I get the feeling that won't happen anytime soon. The other thing I wanted to advice you is get a second account and train a combat oriented character. You can use the current one to learn the industry side of eve and all other non combat related stuff.

I have been in Eve for years now. I have been from one end to the other and back. I have mined, invented, manufactured at POSes, ran anomalies and plexes, missioned, probed and ran sites, WH space, traded, ratted about every kind of rat. I have taken peoples space and have had to pull out of space. I ratted in a Raven in 0.0 for a year and a half and never got poped. I've seen Titans pop, heard FCs both screaming and crying on comms. I have watched my faction fits pop and have helped take down Burn Edan black ops.

My advise to you is play a little less with your current corp. Use that time to start an alt account and join Red vs Blue corps with it. This will get you PvP experience on the bare cheap as most gang stuff is sub cruiser. This PvP experience will serve you well and you may discover that you like it as well. You will learn how to process the information that is flowing through your overview, make fast decisions in combat, learn the interaction of the different weapons/ammo types, master tanking and ship fitting, learn how to use the scanner, how to scout and use local to your advantage, how to control range and fly in a fight, how mods and bonouses interact and when to "break" the rules in ship fitting and most important what it looks like working in a real team environment.

Fact is, arguably, that if you are going to keep playing Eve an alt account will greatly increase your income and enjoyment of the game. So, you are going to start one anyway-eventually...no time like the present.

At any rate good luck with that mining thing...glad I found the joy of PvP and carebear tears in local...lol.

Originally posted by ChoadSauce

Call me stubborn but i REFUSE to make a bookmark for each and every jumpbridge and stargate (enterance and exit 3000km away) just so i can double my travel time to get from place to place.

 

 

That's how you live in 0.0.  You bm everything.  BM a safe POS (never warp to a station with hostiles in local).  You BM every jump bridge.  You make bm's 200km off every gate that you use more than once.  If you're a miner, make a bm 200km off the belts that you like so you can check them out safely before you warp to them.  Make a bm 1000km directly infront of the undock point of any station that you use.

 

I have over 30 bms for the main station system I keep my pvp ships in and 10-15 for every station system my alliance owns.

Originally posted by ChoadSauce homework friendly :)

 

 

who the rats aggro when they 1st spawn in the belt

If you're doing homework while mining then you're probably not watching local closely enough.  Tell us where you are mining so we can roam up that way. ;)  More helpfully, the mining op should have scouts in neighbouring systems to give the miners time to get safe.  You have your speakers on and when the scout starts screaming about hostiles on teamspeak you can shove the text book aside and get yourself to the POS.

And yes they do control who the rats aggro.  You drop a tanking drake or some other ship into the belt first, it gets all of the aggro, then the miners warp in.

Sounds like the NC to be honest :D

I think I'm just going to have to agree with the general consensus of this thread.

Your corp blows, so find a new one. You don't necessarily have to find a Mining corp, you just need a corp who needs miners. You will probably have better protection and get a better return on your mining profits. Every corp needs lots and lots of materials, so every corp needs at least a few miners. 

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

General rule to finding a good corp in EVE, is if the alliance doesn't show up bigger than your thumb on the map above, just tell them to shove it. Especially as a Miner, you're not looking to fight for control of a small area, you're looking to mine in peace. Bigger isn't necessarily better, just as long as it's bigger than your thumb. 

You def don't want a corp who's just renting space. I'm willing to bet all the empire mining ISK that retriever can bring in, in a month, that your corp is renting space from someone. Then again, if I lose the bet I'm only risking half the cost of that retriever. ;)

Empire sucks, just find a better null sec corp. Also, make sure you're watching local and your intel channels no matter what corp you get in to. When I'm out ratting or whatever, I always know what is going on in my entire region by watching the intel channel. 

I agree with most people here, that 0.0 is where EVE's real challenge and rewards can be found.

But that said, something like 2/3rds or more of the active player base spends their time in Empire and there's quite a bit of fun to be had there too, despite what this thread might lead you to believe.

Many people like myself have gone back and forth from Empire to 0.0 to Low Sec, to WH's and back again.  You don't have to stay in any one place in EVE which I think is part of its appeal.

I just wanted to thank everyone for their posts. I took a 2 week break from eve just to do more research on the game and some RL shit.

I've come to the decision that I need to get into a different corp/alliance. It's funny how all I do is say the problems I'm having playing with my corp and people know that im in the NC. It really hit me when I started getting threat emails telling me to participate in the frequent CTA's or ill be kicked, KNOWING that I'm mainly interested in industry and dont have any pvp experience. 

I'm finally able to fly a hulk and I was so excited cuz maybe things would start looking up with more isk and such. Well I lost it the 1st 3 days I had it due to unprovoked ganking. I was mining solo because I had no other option, any "mining" fleet i've joined in the past 8 days have been just like 2 people mining and 30 people docked afk, no matter how long id wait in the fleet, never do i see the amount of people in the fleet actually in the belt. this among other things threw me off the top to how lazy and careless the corp is. even as I was yelling over coms and corp n alliance chat, nobody even bothered to show up and help....even after i died. I'm literally on the verge of just selling everything I own and moving back to empire.

I need a new corp, a large mining/indy corp that ALWAYS has mining op's going and actually cares about their space, and dont let reds and neuts wonder in whenever they please.....our space has been under attack for the past 3-4 weeks EVERY DAY and it takes like 2 hours just to get a home defence CTA going....its sad and frustrating. I need a corp/allaince that actually cares what happens to their own and actually needs miners not pvp pilots....

I was looking at IT alliance, but they seem rather large, idk if its organized or if its just a zerg of anyone inviting anyone.....if anyone is recruiting that have read my concerns in any of the past responses and know  "thats definitly not us" please let me know. Once again thank u all for ur sigguestions

Are you in the Pure Blind/Fade part of the NC?

If so, your alliance is what is technically known as a "meatshield". ie: a bunch of scrubs put there to amuse your enemies and divert them from pestering the important guys deeper in NC territory. The best that can be said about your situation is that you will gain some 0.0 experience.

CTA means Call To Arms. That's when an alliance demands that everyone assist in defending. It's not unreasonable to ask everyone to help - 0.0 space doesn't acquire, build up, maintain and defend itself. If you're primarily an industrialist you can assist in a very low-SP way by training up cloaking and acting as a scout. FCs always need more scouts. Even a cloaked frigate watching a gate can be very useful, and a scout in a covops ship is an absolutely essential resource for any fleet of double figues or more. The skills needed for this are also primarily INT/MEM so they will be compatible with your likely stat spec.

Abandon the idea that you can always spend all your time focusing on your chosen activity.

BTW IT alliance are moderately organised, and they'll be better than somplace like FCON, but they're no benchmark for quality. They may also be rather reluctant to accept a very young ex-NC character, since you'll be something of a security risk for them.

EVE is a game based on intelligence and patience. Remember, there are no rules. Think of what you want and then make a plan of how to get it. You will find that 90% of the time what you need is information to meet your goals.

Similar to finding a null sec corp, what you need first is information to make a good choice of which to join. Research which corp has what you want. Research the officers names and what they do. It isnt hard to find the information you need outside of the game on forums once you have some information on who they are.

If you know what you are doing, its possible to know everything about a corporation before you ever make first contact or send in your app. However, they might be a little creeped out if you know everything about them, therefore its a good idea to play a little bit dumb to make things easier.

After you join, pay attention to if the folks on voice chat are your type. If not, try again with another corp. Keep this up several times over and you might start to see the big picture on how eve works, what makes people tick, and who`s who. I highly recommend before you join a corp that you research everything you can about their past and present connections and who their neighbors are.

Generally what you want is to find a corp leader that has a very broad understanding of EVE and its major players that affect his or her corp. A leader like that knows how to make good decisions for his or her corp.

I could write a book on this subject but I`ll leave it at that. Getting your head up and out of the box is half the battle in EVE.

*edit* I forgot to mention that these strategies work well in real life too. All the power to you.

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Originally posted by Malcanis

BTW IT alliance are moderately organised, and they'll be better than somplace like FCON,

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Wait. He's in Fcon? Ouch.

Seriously, get yourself into a better corp.
Btw., it's not unreasonable to ask every single pilot to show up to defend. There are no pure miners in any serious 0.0 alliance for exactly that reason. If your infrastructure is burning, you go defend it. If you have no pvp experience, you'll get it. If you don't defend your home, you can go back to empire.

The frequency of cta, or even more important, the severity of the situation when a cta is called is important. A lot of alliances call a cta for nearly every single day-to-day operation and thus turn it into a blunt weapon.

Yeah everyone should defend their space when reds/neutrals come into their space. So next time you see enemies in your space get in fleet ASAP and go out and fight! Don't let us wait for 30 minutes for you to form up and then blueball us because you only had 3 times as many. <3 NC