Well personally I'm still hoping Turbine wins this so Cryptic can't make another MMO, doesn't help that they are calling it OMG (what a stupid term), basically it will use the same gay engine, low quality graphics and other comical trash Cryptic is known for.

My thoughts after reading the news (in no numeric order):

• Cryptic is getting the opportunity to make another game? Holy Shit RUN!
• been a great ride NWN but soon you are going to become ripped off
• forced release, low quality content
• paying for stuff that should be FREE
• mathematical: well known IP + Cryptic = epic fail
• no GM support at all

Does anyone know how the Hasbro vs Atari case is going?

Because as part of that Hasbro was seeking to recover the license from Atari.

If that happens, Atari and Cryptic cannot continue with D&D (which I think would be a good thing)

It would also mean that Turbine would not be able to continue with DDO... UNLESS they could negotiate a license with Hasbro.

And whether they could or not they would also be free to sue Atari again.

I jumped in with both feet at the launch of STO.  having never played CO I didn't know what I was in for, so like most others, I expected a good MMO and at least 6 months of good content until the expansion would be announced.  So, after less than a month when I reached max level and was looking around saying "what the hell is this?" I decided to cancel my subscription.  I left that game feeling violated, used and just ticked off that someone would do this to me!

To me, this will be a train wreck.  But,  I'm hoping against all hope that Cryptic has learned something, anything from the STO experience. 

Cryptic, may the gods of Toril bring back Tiamat to eat you alive if you screw us again with this!

I don't think you will have to wait to long cryptic does turn out there games rather fast. will probably be out in 2011. be an incomplete piece of crap but you won't have to wait long for it. 

I dont know, with all the trash games that have recently come out in the MMORPG realm perhaps this could go somewhere. Certainly can not be any worse  that what developers have done to the MMORPG world in the last couple of years.

Hasbro's case with Atari is about European publishing rights for DnD games, it may be as simple as Atari stating they will not publish through Namco Bandai in Europe any more and Hasbro will be happy. We just don't have the details.

Originally posted by bobfish

Hasbro's case with Atari is about European publishing rights for DnD games, it may be as simple as Atari stating they will not publish through Namco Bandai in Europe any more and Hasbro will be happy. We just don't have the details.

No.

I have a copy of the complaint (somewhere on my HD?) and it covers far more than that.

Atari gave Namco Bandai confidential info and Hasbro have proof.  There was a lot more than just publishing rights.

It also does not just cover Europe.

The origninal source was CNN Money - but that now gives a 404 error.

Edit: I found the pdf.  Its the District Court of Rhode Island CA09-610ML

Yes, it covers a lot more than distribution.

Without going into detail (which you can find yourself) it alleges;

Breach of Contract - Confidentiality Provision

Breach of Contract - Customer Support Provision (Customer suport for D&D is to be provided by Atari - NOT a third party under the terms)

Breach of Contract - Duty to Maintain Intellectual Property

Breach of Contract - Obligation to Promote (Turbine alleged the same thing)

Breach of implied Covenant of Good Faith and Fair Dealing ("Atari has denied that Namco Bandai has undertaken any responsibilities for the D&D property under an agreement between these parties despite overwhelming and indisputable
evidence to the contrary.")

Fraud

etc etc...

I would really like to know if anyone knows ( or can find out) how this case is proceeding?

Sorry but this is just another gimmick they have come up with to sell subs, third times a charm? I think not. Will be avoiding this like the plague.

Originally posted by Heretique

Sorry but this is just another gimmick they have come up with to sell subs, third times a charm? I think not. Will be avoiding this like the plague.

Bingo.  And as far as the actual article goes:

4) Doom? Yep

3) Paying for everything?  Probably not, just the coolest/best items.

2) OMG? Acronyms don't matter, the game's going to be bad whatever they call it.

1) Could it actually work?  Not a chance.

I am a huge fan of this IP and I will sit on the sidelines and watch and see what pans out after launch and for the following six months to a year before gettng the game.

Originally posted by viditorum

I am a huge fan of this IP and I will sit on the sidelines and watch and see what pans out after launch and for the following six months to a year before gettng the game.

If it's not dead/on life support 6-12 months after they have released it i'll be amazed.

NWN game made by Cra ... ahem Cryptic? OMG!

"I may be alone in thinking this, but if you take away the subscriptions from STO and CO and instead think of them as co-op online games, they start to look a whole lot more attractive."

Shut up you mad person.

So this game won't have official servers, just people connecting to online games amongst eachother?  Like the first two NWNs?  I always that that's what made a game an MMO, and thus possibly worthy of subscription - the official servers.  Not that nuances of gameplay, and how instanced it is, and all that.

I for one hope that it brilliant .. and all these " I'll never buy another Cryptic Game ever "  people will have to eat their words ..  and yes they are hating on it already .. very sad .

Add this to the fact that Jack and company are shifting their focus from being a studio that develops only MMOs toward more of an “Online RPG” developer and there’s reason to be cautiously optimistic.

Feel free to clue us in on your reasoning behind being cautiously optimistic, besides "hope and change".

I'm with you on the entire list up until number one because I have no faith in Cryptic, after two failed launches and because of how those launches failed I don't see anything that suggests they couldn't do the same thing again.  Which is release game that is no more fun than Mafia Wars or Farmville and expect us to pay for the game, pay a monthly sub for the game, and then buy other stuff out of the C-Store (wich ironically STO would still be highly content light even with all the c store junk in game for free).

In ways I think Cryptic is just taking the business model of rabid fanboism to new levels with this design, it is something we practically have to do with our friends and it is supposed to be like a true online version of D&D.  Can you imagine how the mouths at Cryptic are watering thinking that they can easily scam the public out of hundreds of dollars per party for lame barely playable missions that once bugged the response will be "hmmm well leave out and start all over again!" as if it was that much fun the first run through.

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me until Cryptic isn't using cash shops I won't be subscribing to them and not because I have something against cash shops either, it's because they have shown that they are far too eager to use them in less than honorable ways and just apologizing for it later.  That bridge they have burned with me.

At first I was thinking there are two big red flags.

Cryptic's most release history.

and

The very short development time, and/or resources commited to its development.

Champs and Trek both had short development times and had similar complaints from the community after release.

Then I considered what people might think if CO or STO were single player games with multiplayer options without the subscription fee.  Go from a shallow overpriced MMO to a robust OMG with free multiplayer. That is assuming it will be free.

Originally posted by d_dlh

Giving a tought about Neverwinter and D&D 4th edition. In the new FR Campaign Setting its wrote "Port cities north of Waterdeep didn’t fare well in the years after the Spellplague;
both Neverwinter and Luskan are now in utter ruin". How can they even consider make a game there. Not to metion the already said developer ....

Just because they're using the 4th edition rules does not mean they will be using the exact 4th edition setting. Neverwinter Nights from the PNP perspective is a "module." In a D&D module, the DM picks a place and time in an existing campaign setting, or creates his own. Every aspect of any campaign setting or module is merely a suggestion for the dungeon master. There is no reason they cannot use the 4th edition rules, and then pick some point in history when Edition 3.5, 3.0 or even 2nd Edition were in use. The rule set has nothing to do with campaign setting.

Originally posted by summitus

I for one hope that it brilliant .. and all these " I'll never buy another Cryptic Game ever "  people will have to eat their words ..  and yes they are hating on it already .. very sad .

 

Nope I will not buy another Cryptic game even if it is the best and only game available. I have said that when they fooled me with STO and yes I was very cautious not to judge before I play then. They robbed me with their marketing and lies too many times.