Sounds to me, through various posts like these, many of the OP's and responders complaining about these subjects have probably never touched FFXI.

If you haven't you can't speak on what FFXIV should be. IMO after playing XI for years, XIV has changes to a good system in XI that will make it great in XIV.

Originally posted by stayontarget

Tutorials. Expect some improvement to starting player guidance, but they are leaving it up to Fansites to post guides on how to play the game.

 

Is it so hard to just add a better one in game ?

 Is it so hard not having everything pre-chewed for you? Try, fail, learn, try again.  what an innovative concept!

There's a manual too in case you didn't know. Looks like some people might have a problem with actually reading stuff  too... oh well.

Mouse Support. They understand the Software mouse has bad performance, but while looking into possible hardware mouse in the future, no plans yet to add it to the game.

   That is the only one that bugs me. I am not in the Beta so I do not know how choppy the performance is but having a sluggish mouse will affect my enjoyment of the game.

This got a lot of buzz on GameFAQS too.

My general thoughts on the subject are this:

1) RMT was a game-breaking issue in FFXI. I think they're simply trying the bazaar system out to see if it helps them spot botters quicker and easier than they were able to with the AH in FFXI.

2) The "surplus" system needs to go, period. I'm perfectly alright with only allowing so many guildleves at a time, but telling a player that they can't actually gain experience after they've completed their guildleves? Ridiculous.

3) SE is probably not worried too much with negative publicity. This game is going live in a month, for better or worse. I think they've probably already committed to any decisions that have been made by now, and are going to stick with them until release. If they find out they were wrong, they'll start making the necessary adjustments then, but it's crunch time, and there's probably not enough time or manpower available to start changing their inds at this point in the game.

Originally posted by Cymdai

This got a lot of buzz on GameFAQS too.

My general thoughts on the subject are this:

1) RMT was a game-breaking issue in FFXI. I think they're simply trying the bazaar system out to see if it helps them spot botters quicker and easier than they were able to with the AH in FFXI.

2) The "surplus" system needs to go, period. I'm perfectly alright with only allowing so many guildleves at a time, but telling a player that they can't actually gain experience after they've completed their guildleves? Ridiculous.

 

Im pretty sure leves dont give xp they give items and cash.  You likely get xp from killing stuff while doing leves but you will still get that as well after the leve is finished.

Originally posted by Martinmas

Mouse Support. They understand the Software mouse has bad performance, but while looking into possible hardware mouse in the future, no plans yet to add it to the game.

 

   That is the only one that bugs me. I am not in the Beta so I do not know how choppy the performance is but having a sluggish mouse will affect my enjoyment of the game.

 

A sluggish mouse will ensure that I simply find another game to play.

Originally posted by Janicent

Sounds to me, through various posts like these, many of the OP's and responders complaining about these subjects have probably never touched FFXI.

 

If you haven't you can't speak on what FFXIV should be. IMO after playing XI for years, XIV has changes to a good system in XI that will make it great in XIV.

Translation: FFXI sucked SOOOOOO bad, you guys have no idea!  Anything they have done could not possibly make it worse, so be happy for any improvement you can get! 

This may be 'fangirly' of me but I'm really not concerned. FFXIV is a game I want to play therefore I have no problem not using a mouse to play it. I already looked at some parts of the manual and the keyboard set-up seems completely reasonable and it seems that they've placed everything in places that I would of placed them... Plus I'm sure I'll adjust. It's like going from automatic to stick. Or learning how to roller-blade. They wouldn't be special or fun if it were the same. 

But I think it's because in the past they've done things in a way I liked and can appreciate so I know regardless I can adjust to get what I want out of the game. Makes it feel new. :D

 Was a fan of FFXI  and was the first mmorpg that I actually put time and effort into. That being said I moved onto better games. Those games being just about anythign i played. Looking back I do appreciate that everythig wasn't spoon fed to me but at the cost of the enormouse time sink that was FF then umm... no. Realizing how much time and effort was put into the couple years I played between work and school and I see that I didnt't really get anywhere and I dont feel I got my moneys worth.

 I was, however, looking forward to FFIV since a few of my major probs with 11 were being adressed. Seems like they replaced them with other things to timesink the hell outta me.  Reading up on whatever I can get just keeps putting this one further back on my "To Try" list. I know, iknow. No big loss to the fans that know more about my opinion than me. Just my 2 cents.

Looks like they're addressing my main concern, which was the UI lag.

The lack of an auction house will be a bit of a change for me, back to the EQ bazaar days somewhat, but not something i'd consider an "issue" and if anything, a feature on it's own with the retainer system implemented.

A little disappointing they won't improve the mouse controls, but as long as the keyboard controls are well-rounded and not terribly frustrating for someone very quick and familiar with a keyboard, I don't think that'll bother me to much.

So long as the game is playable, and has content to enjoy while leveling, im willing to give the game a shot.

Originally posted by Martinmas

Mouse Support. They understand the Software mouse has bad performance, but while looking into possible hardware mouse in the future, no plans yet to add it to the game.

 

   That is the only one that bugs me. I am not in the Beta so I do not know how choppy the performance is but having a sluggish mouse will affect my enjoyment of the game.

 

In Beta, it's pretty bad. I'm not a console gamer, haven't been since the PS2 so when it comes to PC games I would expect good mouse/keyboard feedback. Not to say the game is terrible or anything, but when it comes to even the most basic of game concepts (movement/ mouse control) this game didn't deliver.

I hope they fix it though, since that could be something that might keep a lot of players away once word gets out.

@ the OP- Some of things in your post looked to be taken from another thread, things which make it sound worse than it is. That said, the things you posted are true and are pretty worrisome. I have a real problem with a game being released without an auction house, when they said originally that it would be released. That's one of those MMO staples now-a-days, one that works FAR better than a Lineage 2-esque player shop. That along with the UI and control issues, so far it's not looking to have a very smooth and welcomed launch. All can change though so hopefully they'll fix these problems soon.

@Nekrataal- Grats on being the newest member to the OMGZ-FF-FANBOY-CLUB!!! I hear the welcome basket has some nice bath salts and candles you should enjoy.

For those of you blissfully unaware of why they are not doing an AH right off the bat, it's to help protect the economy of the servers. There are always those who jump right into these games and try to monopolize the server economy. With a bazaar system set in place, it becomes very hard to do this and lets the economy mature more gracefully.

...Otherwise, what the hell, SE? Add the mouse and turn down the cooldown on leves. It's needlessly long.

Originally posted by ghaleonx128

Originally posted by SuperXero89

The endgame stuff is ok, as power gamers tend to get what they deserve in that regard, but the rest of this has me facepalming.

Get what they deserve in that regard? What are you talking about? If players get to the endgame and there is nothing, expect an AoC scenario to unfold. 

I actually agree with SuperZero on that one. There is no doubt this game will be grindy, and take time to max out in all aspects. Thusly, anyone who powergames through all that quickly is just asking to hit the brick wall asap. AoC is a bad example because it *has to be* the quickest jaunt to endgame levels in any MMO I've ever seen to date, besides Guild Wars. You don't even have to be a powergamer to get there in a matter of a couple weeks.

Originally posted by Kyelthis

 

@Nekrataal- Grats on being the newest member to the OMGZ-FF-FANBOY-CLUB!!! I hear the welcome basket has some nice bath salts and candles you should enjoy.

  HAHA   he did come off soo angry.  After his first comment I wasn't really able to take anything he said into account.

Originally posted by soglo

Originally posted by Janicent

Sounds to me, through various posts like these, many of the OP's and responders complaining about these subjects have probably never touched FFXI.

 

If you haven't you can't speak on what FFXIV should be. IMO after playing XI for years, XIV has changes to a good system in XI that will make it great in XIV.

Translation: FFXI sucked SOOOOOO bad, you guys have no idea!  Anything they have done could not possibly make it worse, so be happy for any improvement you can get! 

This is a perfect example. Thank you.

Originally posted by Janicent

Sounds to me, through various posts like these, many of the OP's and responders complaining about these subjects have probably never touched FFXI.

 

If you haven't you can't speak on what FFXIV should be. IMO after playing XI for years, XIV has changes to a good system in XI that will make it great in XIV.

Stephen Hawking shouldn't talk about astro physics because he's never been in space.  A sports fan shouldn't talk about atheletes and profession sports because they aren't an athelete.  You can't talk about politics because you aren't a politician.   Only a priest (or equivalent) should be able to talk about religion.  I better not use any math because I'm not a mathematician.  GREAT LOGIC!

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by Kyelthis

 

@Nekrataal- Grats on being the newest member to the OMGZ-FF-FANBOY-CLUB!!! I hear the welcome basket has some nice bath salts and candles you should enjoy.

  HAHA   he did come off soo angry.  After his first comment I wasn't really able to take anything he said into account.

 Oh noz! he 's not taking anything I say into account after I said that the intented way to play the game ( which is pretty close too FFXI )  works just fine & if you can't adapted you are just a lazy instant grat arse that shouldn't even have touch the game in the first place.

What am I to do?! doom!

No, seriously. To not see you guys in the game will be a blessing. I really don't want to hear whinning about this & that once I'm in the game... nothing more annoying.

'' MMO X does it this way why can't SE do it the same way, bla bla bla...''

Stay in your damn current MMO, or wait for SW, GW2 & Rift, if you can't learn anything new. Keyboard is working just fine, deal with it or move on, best advice I can give you. Take it or leave it, I don't really care to be honest.

Originally posted by Magnum2103

Originally posted by Janicent

Sounds to me, through various posts like these, many of the OP's and responders complaining about these subjects have probably never touched FFXI.

 

If you haven't you can't speak on what FFXIV should be. IMO after playing XI for years, XIV has changes to a good system in XI that will make it great in XIV.

Stephen Hawking shouldn't talk about astro physics because he's never been in space.  A sports fan shouldn't talk about atheletes and profession sports because they aren't an athelete.  You can't talk about politics because you aren't a politician.   Only a priest (or equivalent) should be able to talk about religion.  I better not use any math because I'm not a mathematician.  GREAT LOGIC!

Well with your examples the religion/politics part is usually best left to scholars, because the average man is a bigot or retard about it. Plus, sports fans are usually idiots as well, and Stephen Hawking is most likely wrong about most of his theories. He just has a lot of time to spend thinking with his personal condition, doesn't mean any of it is right, especially since tech hasn't evolved to the point where his theories can accurately be tested.

Yes, great logic!

~and yes, you may want to avoid using math if you suck at it.

I say less tutorial!

Everything else does seem like a problem tho'.

Originally posted by Magnum2103

Originally posted by Janicent

Sounds to me, through various posts like these, many of the OP's and responders complaining about these subjects have probably never touched FFXI.

 

If you haven't you can't speak on what FFXIV should be. IMO after playing XI for years, XIV has changes to a good system in XI that will make it great in XIV.

Stephen Hawking shouldn't talk about astro physics because he's never been in space.  A sports fan shouldn't talk about atheletes and profession sports because they aren't an athelete.  You can't talk about politics because you aren't a politician.   Only a priest (or equivalent) should be able to talk about religion.  I better not use any math because I'm not a mathematician.  GREAT LOGIC!

Mmm... No.