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  twrule

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8/13/10 5:26:18 PM#121
Originally posted by joejccva

 


Originally posted by Lorgarn


Originally posted by Philby

There is the lynch pin.



Impossible to be against any of that, since it's not a requirement for the regular player. Nor are you forced to use any of these features, or does they affect the game or it's players in any way possible.
Well, except for a few issues with server transfers, if done poorly that is. However, that's an awesome feature right there even with the minor issues that it could have.
 
Being mad about vanity-items is like being mad of....wait, going to try to come up with something as redicoulous...
It's like being mad because you can buy a sandwich at the post-office(Not that it's a standard by any means, I've seen it a few times and I'm using it as an example).  Angry fella: "But I want only the post-office features! :@"
 
Also, I might mention that I'm only a user of server transfers, I've never bought mounts, pets or character "remakes" etc. I just don't get mad over things that exists somewhere, but doesn't have any effect or impact on me or my environment.


 

Could you be anymore naive?

Read the ENTIRE wording again. They said they aren't having a cash shop, then came back later and said "we will have vanity items for sale or other items that have done so well in other AAA's." Vanity items, "other items", whatever. It makes it so people with lots of real life cash can pay for items that give an advantage in some way or another. No thanks!

Seriously? I think I'll skip this title.

I think you are the one that needs to reread, sir.  They said they aren't ever going to make it a game that is based on microtransactions, and that there won't be anything but character services available at launch or for some time after.  "There may at some point in it's lifecycle" be vanity items.  That's hardly a commitment to anything.  How did you get all that from the words "other items that players enjoy" when the whole sentence was about vanity items?  That's not at all what was said.

  Lathander81

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8/13/10 7:10:45 PM#122
Originally posted by Reizla
Originally posted by Philby

Another one checked off the list. Im wondering if there will be any new games to play in 2011.

Keeping my hopes up for Rift. If that fails, I'll stick with Allods till something new comes. 

...now I hear ppl yel CASH SHOP

Yup... You pay $30 to get some starting gear (bank, bag & mount) and after that you pay less than $10 for the incense & mount feed in the item shop. Looks like subscription to me ;-)

Look ALL games sell fluff items period. Stop being a silly about something that will not effect game play. So if you want to not play MMOs that sell fluff then you might want to consider not playing MMOs. Even the almighty WOW has a powerful item shop where they sell mounts and crap ingame.  If you think FF14 and SWTOR won't sell items think again. Pretty boy lucas is going to make a buck where he can. FF is know for making money off "vanity" items even on the console games.  So get used to it.

  stayontarget

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8/13/10 9:01:08 PM#123
Originally posted by Philby
 

I dont know what the community expects but with a cash shop and talk of "some point in time" its not to hard to see where it will go. Some point in the life cycle is pretty vague. A month? A year?

Go ask the Dev's @ Tor, GW2, FF,Rift and see if they will have item malls ?  And I wonder if they would even respond to the question like En Masse did @ two different occasions today.

You see unlike a lot of games and gaming companies En Masse has been in constant contact with the community.

See for yourself: http://www.tera-online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8352  this is the list (names below) so far in just that thread alone, So when they say that Tera will not have a cash shop in the farseeible future we tend to believe them because they have build up a little bit of trust among the Tera community.  If your an outside and are bitching about this, no biggy because its your right and you should have concerns about the direction a game is taking.  And if you are a fan of some other game then you should also hold your Dev's accountable as we do with En Masse.

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Massively.com made a PR screw up on their part and EnMasse stepped in to to clean it up.

 

"Xaen - Senior Producer Brian Knox of En Masse, TERA.

After a press release by Digital River announcing our e-commerce partnership a few players expressed concerns that TERA would be a micro-transaction game in addition to requiring a subscription fee; that is not the case.

TERA is not a micro-transaction or cash-shop item game. The game is built and designed to function as a subscription-based game. We would have to make dramatic changes to the game's design to support micro-transactions and there is no intention of doing so.

TERA will have paid services, which could include character transfer, name change and gender change. We do not have a complete list of these services yet, but we will let you know as we confirm them - those services will likely be available inside the game.

There may be a point in time of TERA's lifecycle that we offer "vanity item" sales, pets, and other items that players have enjoyed in other AAA+ titles.

To clarify the press release further; Digital River OFFERS many options to En Masse to choose from for TERA and for future products we publish.

We're more than happy to answer questions, and hope that this clarification allays any concerns you might have.
"

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  User Deleted
8/14/10 10:38:03 AM#124
Originally posted by Lathander81
Originally posted by Reizla
Originally posted by Philby

Another one checked off the list. Im wondering if there will be any new games to play in 2011.

Keeping my hopes up for Rift. If that fails, I'll stick with Allods till something new comes. 

...now I hear ppl yel CASH SHOP

Yup... You pay $30 to get some starting gear (bank, bag & mount) and after that you pay less than $10 for the incense & mount feed in the item shop. Looks like subscription to me ;-)

Look ALL games sell fluff items period. Stop being a silly about something that will not effect game play. So if you want to not play MMOs that sell fluff then you might want to consider not playing MMOs. Even the almighty WOW has a powerful item shop where they sell mounts and crap ingame.  If you think FF14 and SWTOR won't sell items think again. Pretty boy lucas is going to make a buck where he can. FF is know for making money off "vanity" items even on the console games.  So get used to it.

Naw you get used to it, as for myself I will do what im doing now, play single player games. Ive been f**ked a few times but ive never bent over for them.

  Cecropia

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8/14/10 10:45:25 AM#125
Originally posted by Lathander81
Originally posted by Reizla
Originally posted by Philby

Another one checked off the list. Im wondering if there will be any new games to play in 2011.

Keeping my hopes up for Rift. If that fails, I'll stick with Allods till something new comes. 

...now I hear ppl yel CASH SHOP

Yup... You pay $30 to get some starting gear (bank, bag & mount) and after that you pay less than $10 for the incense & mount feed in the item shop. Looks like subscription to me ;-)

Look ALL games sell fluff items period. Stop being a silly about something that will not effect game play. So if you want to not play MMOs that sell fluff then you might want to consider not playing MMOs. Even the almighty WOW has a powerful item shop where they sell mounts and crap ingame.  If you think FF14 and SWTOR won't sell items think again. Pretty boy lucas is going to make a buck where he can. FF is know for making money off "vanity" items even on the console games.  So get used to it.

No, they don't.

No, I don't have to. At least not yet. But if you folks keep complying and assuming the position, that day gets closer and closer.

 

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  Tyrantas

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8/14/10 10:51:40 AM#126
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by Lathander81
Originally posted by Reizla
Originally posted by Philby

Another one checked off the list. Im wondering if there will be any new games to play in 2011.

Keeping my hopes up for Rift. If that fails, I'll stick with Allods till something new comes. 

...now I hear ppl yel CASH SHOP

Yup... You pay $30 to get some starting gear (bank, bag & mount) and after that you pay less than $10 for the incense & mount feed in the item shop. Looks like subscription to me ;-)

Look ALL games sell fluff items period. Stop being a silly about something that will not effect game play. So if you want to not play MMOs that sell fluff then you might want to consider not playing MMOs. Even the almighty WOW has a powerful item shop where they sell mounts and crap ingame.  If you think FF14 and SWTOR won't sell items think again. Pretty boy lucas is going to make a buck where he can. FF is know for making money off "vanity" items even on the console games.  So get used to it.

No, they don't.

No, I don't have to. At least not yet. But if you folks keep complying and assuming the position, that day gets closer and closer.

 

Exactly, if we gonna accept it almost every company going to do that. We gotta go against it and tell that to devs loudly.

  gatheris

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8/14/10 11:05:28 AM#127
Originally posted by kalinis

It seems to me people are freaking out before even seeing beta. Dont get me wrong having a sub and micro transaction model together would suck massively. Enmasses says that wont be the case. Right now we have to believe them The fact is most people assumed tera woudl have micro transactions due to a deal enmasse made with another company known for micro transaction.

They may have done it for alot of reasons without having an items shop with micro transactions. until beta and all comes out though we wont truly know we jsut have to belive enmasse when they say thats not the case.

 reasonable, but will the cash shop even show up in beta?

look how long before the cash shop appeared in Fallen Earth - i was just pleased i didn't purchase the box as i won a key here - just lost some time and a couple months sub fee

not saying it won't be there on first day of release but it may not necessarily be there during beta

 

ahh - just saw this and that killed the game for me

"There may be a point in time of TERA's lifecycle that we offer "vanity item" sales, pets, and other items that players have enjoyed in other AAA+ titles."

 


 

  User Deleted
8/14/10 11:16:17 AM#128

I dont think anyone here has a problem with the company charging for server moves or name changes but selling anything in an item shop, yes even "fluff" items, that could have just as easily been patched into the game is what bothers me.  That is just F2P horse shit and should be kept in those games. As said above, as long as its accepted its going to continue and believe what you want but it will get worse with time. The DDO fans have been cheering about nothing in the CS that cant be gotten through gameplay, well, that has changed. Im surprised no one has coined the phrase P2P/F2P hybrid yet because that is what they are.

  qombi

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8/14/10 2:46:58 PM#129

No thanks moving along to different game. Guild Wars 2, don't support these companies like Tera milking the customer.

  User Deleted
8/14/10 2:51:12 PM#130
Originally posted by qombi

No thanks moving along to different game. Guild Wars 2, don't support these companies like Tera milking the customer.

Thread is wrong, they have already cleared things up over at Tera

  Lathander81

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8/14/10 2:52:20 PM#131
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by Lathander81
Originally posted by Reizla
Originally posted by Philby

Another one checked off the list. Im wondering if there will be any new games to play in 2011.

Keeping my hopes up for Rift. If that fails, I'll stick with Allods till something new comes. 

...now I hear ppl yel CASH SHOP

Yup... You pay $30 to get some starting gear (bank, bag & mount) and after that you pay less than $10 for the incense & mount feed in the item shop. Looks like subscription to me ;-)

Look ALL games sell fluff items period. Stop being a silly about something that will not effect game play. So if you want to not play MMOs that sell fluff then you might want to consider not playing MMOs. Even the almighty WOW has a powerful item shop where they sell mounts and crap ingame.  If you think FF14 and SWTOR won't sell items think again. Pretty boy lucas is going to make a buck where he can. FF is know for making money off "vanity" items even on the console games.  So get used to it.

No, they don't.

No, I don't have to. At least not yet. But if you folks keep complying and assuming the position, that day gets closer and closer.

 

You mistake my words. Any franchise will have items you can purchase that no not effect the actual game. It doesn't mean that you "HAVE" to buy them. They are side items for the fans to rave over. I used to play wow but never bought their cards so that I can get an in-game mount or Murlock suit. It didn't lessen my experience that I didn't have it. Also if a company does decide that they want to sell "vanity" items its only because they believe there is a market for such things. No one said you have to and as long as they are not selling items that effect performance than why does it matter. Tera west has definitely heard our cry for no cash shops. Vanity items and cash shops are 2 different things. So name me one triple MMO that doesn't sell fluff!

  Shoju

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8/14/10 2:55:15 PM#132
Originally posted by SgtFrog
Originally posted by qombi

No thanks moving along to different game. Guild Wars 2, don't support these companies like Tera milking the customer.

Thread is wrong, they have already cleared things up over at Tera

http://www.massively.com/2010/08/13/en-masses-response-to-microtransaction-speculation-tera-is-not/

They may not be planning microtransactions on a scale of 'pay-for-content' scale like some games, but the guy even says "There may be a point in time of TERA's lifecycle that we offer "vanity item" sales, pets, and other items that players have enjoyed in other AAA+ titles."  so they are looking at the potential for item shop microtransactions.

  Lathander81

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8/14/10 2:56:38 PM#133
Originally posted by Tyrantas
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by Lathander81
Originally posted by Reizla
Originally posted by Philby

Another one checked off the list. Im wondering if there will be any new games to play in 2011.

Keeping my hopes up for Rift. If that fails, I'll stick with Allods till something new comes. 

...now I hear ppl yel CASH SHOP

Yup... You pay $30 to get some starting gear (bank, bag & mount) and after that you pay less than $10 for the incense & mount feed in the item shop. Looks like subscription to me ;-)

Look ALL games sell fluff items period. Stop being a silly about something that will not effect game play. So if you want to not play MMOs that sell fluff then you might want to consider not playing MMOs. Even the almighty WOW has a powerful item shop where they sell mounts and crap ingame.  If you think FF14 and SWTOR won't sell items think again. Pretty boy lucas is going to make a buck where he can. FF is know for making money off "vanity" items even on the console games.  So get used to it.

No, they don't.

No, I don't have to. At least not yet. But if you folks keep complying and assuming the position, that day gets closer and closer.

 

Exactly, if we gonna accept it almost every company going to do that. We gotta go against it and tell that to devs loudly.

The deve have nothing to do with fluff items. That is the marketing department. If your talking about the gender changes, name changes, and guild name changes then that concerns the dev. However, this is a paid service in all MMOs. Why are are you crying about this?

  Lathander81

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8/14/10 2:59:53 PM#134
Originally posted by qombi

No thanks moving along to different game. Guild Wars 2, don't support these companies like Tera milking the customer.

Ummm Guild Wars sells skills, armor, and other items to improve your character. They even charge you for additional slots on your account. Why do people turn a blind eye to these things and choose to see other things? Free to play games make more off their players then a sub-base game ever will.

  paterah

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8/14/10 7:53:58 PM#135
Originally posted by Shoju
Originally posted by SgtFrog
Originally posted by qombi

No thanks moving along to different game. Guild Wars 2, don't support these companies like Tera milking the customer.

Thread is wrong, they have already cleared things up over at Tera

http://www.massively.com/2010/08/13/en-masses-response-to-microtransaction-speculation-tera-is-not/

They may not be planning microtransactions on a scale of 'pay-for-content' scale like some games, but the guy even says "There may be a point in time of TERA's lifecycle that we offer "vanity item" sales, pets, and other items that players have enjoyed in other AAA+ titles."  so they are looking at the potential for item shop microtransactions.

 Why not? There have been already many MMOs with a sub + a vanity item shop. Not a bad thing. I've never paid for an item shop on a p2p game and definitely didn't fell I was losing on something.

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8/14/10 7:56:58 PM#136
Originally posted by Shoju
Originally posted by SgtFrog
Originally posted by qombi

No thanks moving along to different game. Guild Wars 2, don't support these companies like Tera milking the customer.

Thread is wrong, they have already cleared things up over at Tera

http://www.massively.com/2010/08/13/en-masses-response-to-microtransaction-speculation-tera-is-not/

They may not be planning microtransactions on a scale of 'pay-for-content' scale like some games, but the guy even says "There may be a point in time of TERA's lifecycle that we offer "vanity item" sales, pets, and other items that players have enjoyed in other AAA+ titles."  so they are looking at the potential for item shop microtransactions.

nothing wrong with vanity items imo, I like them

  popinjay

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8/15/10 2:40:49 AM#137


Originally posted by twrule


Originally posted by popinjay
Well, I certainly won't be buying it for launch as I detest any form of "item shop".

Most start with 'non essential' items and later kick those in after everyone got used to spending real cash on pixels.

I will wait until the hardcore people purchase it and SS what is in these shops but usually, these things aren't a good idea for most players.
 
Stuff is usually bought off the item shop, "resold" in game and that money makes powerhouse players.
 
In Aion, people bought "subscriptions" to a magazine (which they had no intent on reading) to get these armor 'True White/True Black' dyes. They then sold them in game for 500k-1 million which was a lot of money at the time, and then they bought gear/items to twink their toons to kill you better.

I have no idea why people don't understand that even "fluff" trinkets and the like are bought for real dollars, then flipped around and resold to get substantial things off the broker using that new gold they just got from the sale.
 

It's nothing but RMT by any other name.


So make all the items bind to account.


I'm pretty sure they won't bind items to accounts this way, although I agree this would stop abuse. You are talking common sense, while I am talking BUSINESS sinse and there's a difference.

A lot of companies (Asian ones) that have goldsellers running around in them AND cash items shops will never admit this to you... but they don't actually MIND when people sell gold or do the fake RMT by buying things the company set up like NCSoft did with those dyes.


It does keep the in- game economy moving because some clown buys a AION magazine subscription he will never EVER read only to:


Sell the dyes that come with it for in-game kinah for someone else's twink to dye his gear.

The company knows full well where that level 10 toon just got a couple million gold from but they look at it as "two happy subs".


Binding will never happen in those situations and if you think it would, you need to play a few more MMOs to see why they never would do that.

  twrule

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8/15/10 2:49:36 AM#138
Originally posted by popinjay

 


Originally posted by twrule


Originally posted by popinjay
Well, I certainly won't be buying it for launch as I detest any form of "item shop".

Most start with 'non essential' items and later kick those in after everyone got used to spending real cash on pixels.

I will wait until the hardcore people purchase it and SS what is in these shops but usually, these things aren't a good idea for most players.
 
Stuff is usually bought off the item shop, "resold" in game and that money makes powerhouse players.
 
In Aion, people bought "subscriptions" to a magazine (which they had no intent on reading) to get these armor 'True White/True Black' dyes. They then sold them in game for 500k-1 million which was a lot of money at the time, and then they bought gear/items to twink their toons to kill you better.

I have no idea why people don't understand that even "fluff" trinkets and the like are bought for real dollars, then flipped around and resold to get substantial things off the broker using that new gold they just got from the sale.
 

It's nothing but RMT by any other name.



So make all the items bind to account.

 


I'm pretty sure they won't bind items to accounts this way, although I agree this would stop abuse. You are talking common sense, while I am talking BUSINESS sinse and there's a difference.

 

A lot of companies (Asian ones) that have goldsellers running around in them AND cash items shops will never admit this to you... but they don't actually MIND when people sell gold or do the fake RMT by buying things the company set up like NCSoft did with those dyes.


It does keep the in- game economy moving because some clown buys a AION magazine subscription he will never EVER read only to:


Sell the dyes that come with it for in-game kinah for someone else's twink to dye his gear.

 

The company knows full well where that level 10 toon just got a couple million gold from but they look at it as "two happy subs".


Binding will never happen in those situations and if you think it would, you need to play a few more MMOs to see why they never would do that.

Lol.  Apparently playing MMOs for over a decade isn't enough for me to see your wisdom?

You are inside the minds of corporate executives and game developers how?

You mean they would never do it like Blizzard, for example, is doing it right now by making their cash shop items Bind on Account?

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8/15/10 7:28:28 AM#139
Originally posted by Philby

Not mad, just not as trusting as some. History is on my side of this conversation but believe what you will. When the +5 damage gear appears in the CS "at some point during the life of the game" im sure that by that time it will be acceptable as well.

I hear ya, your skepticism is noted. :)

 

However, I fail to recall the situation you mentioned has happened to many, if even any, triple-A titles recently. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's just how I've experienced it. Afterall, you can't compare any triple-A title to random, smaller titles, which may very well go the route you mention.

 

Also, like many have already stated. He was not saying that they are planning for it, nor did he say otherwise either. So, all we can gather from that statement is that they are open to consider it, sometime in the future. That's all it means.

 

And, from what we can gather from other titles, it's not bound to happen even a few months after release, if it happens at all. So scrapping the game for something they might do 1-2 years after launch is very silly if you ask me.

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  popinjay

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8/15/10 11:59:06 AM#140


Originally posted by twrule

Lol.  Apparently playing MMOs for over a decade isn't enough for me to see your wisdom?
You are inside the minds of corporate executives and game developers how?
You mean they would never do it like Blizzard, for example, is doing it right now by making their cash shop items Bind on Account?


Are you reading carefully? No, but that is no surprise because you do this quite often stalking me in forums. So I'll say this part again:


A lot of companies (Asian ones) that have goldsellers running around in them AND cash items shops will never admit this to you...



I said a lot of ASIAN companies so don't later go claiming I said ALL Asian companies.


Tera will be run by an ASIAN company. One day when you've played a few of them, you'll understand their cash shop philosophy. It is not the same as Western companies, which BLIZZARD is. Blizzard also doesn't need the economy in their game (WoW) to be helped along like newer Asian games usually do because they've been established for YEARS. Most Asian games don't usually run years with any noticible Western market size and add shos later. This one is just smart and getting their money upfront from Western players via cashshop instead of springing it out on people later it seems.


They MAY have everything bindable, but I seriously doubt that. It's still an Asian cashshop when all is said and done and this game was not specifically designed to be played by Western players as a primary audience I do not believe.

A lot of Asian players like RMT and boostable items as well as trading in game, doesn't bother them one little bit.

In those countries, average players don't have as much REAL LIFE money, but they have plenty of time to grind out gold or rare items in a MMO. So they trade those things for items that cost REAL money in the cash shops they can't afford otherwise, where most Western players have more REAL LIFE money to spend but not as much time to grind things. You really didn't know this?

A LOT of Asian companies are perfectly fine with the idea of selling items in their cash shops that later they KNOW will be RE-sold by players in game for gold/items because it's money that the company gets directly and not goldsellers.

Maybe Hangame/NHN Corporation will run TERA differently? We will see. :P

As much as you claim to know about things in MMOs, I'm not sure if you've been trolling me, faking it, or genuninely ignorant of this happening all this time.

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