Originally posted by Xianthos

Originally posted by GTwander

Originally posted by Xianthos

First thought : Omfg sounds awesome.

Read about item shop at the end and my hype died immediatly :(

When you're playing with stock characters, how could you even care about cosmetics?

I for one will be enjoying this as soon as it's released, it looks to good to pass up, no matter what your qualm with F2P may be.

 

"Cash shop items will be the usual cosmetic items as well as consumables such as town portal scrolls, resurrection scrolls and healing potions."

So far to your cosmetics :-/

And to the narrowminded guy who claims if someone dislikes F2P (item shop) is biased, please link me a single F2P MMO which isnt offering "pay to win" design. A MMO which only sells cosmetics. Yet i dont know a single one.  Hell even DDO is going towards "pay to win" design.

DDO,no where near pay2win LOTRO

Originally posted by just2duh

Originally posted by Spiritof55

another f2p, no thanks

  Thank you for your contribution, how very insightful.. would guess that means f2p games are not games to play and have fun with at all.

 Key words being: game, fun, and play. (Hope I don't have to break out the real world definitions..)

 If none of those matter and all you care about is being on top in pvp, then sure, feel free to ignore all games other than p2p.

 I for one am looking forward to this game, and the day I can hack n slash my way through more dynamic situations than we're used to, be a shame to ignore something different just out of ignorance.

 Maybe Spiritof55 has played to many f2p games and thus has seen with his own eyes how players 'pay to win' in these types of games, for example the player in 'Runes of Magic' who payed over 26000 euro to equip his mage with a staff and a couple of other items, there are loads more examples of players with bottomless wallets aswell. If you ever think that f2p games are on a level playing field then you are dreaming.

If the Cash Shop is only cosmetic then for sure i will try a f2p game but as of yet they are all 'pay to win'.

Originally posted by GTwander

Originally posted by Xianthos

Originally posted by GTwander

Originally posted by Xianthos

First thought : Omfg sounds awesome.

Read about item shop at the end and my hype died immediatly :(

When you're playing with stock characters, how could you even care about cosmetics?

I for one will be enjoying this as soon as it's released, it looks to good to pass up, no matter what your qualm with F2P may be.

 

"Cash shop items will be the usual cosmetic items as well as consumables such as town portal scrolls, resurrection scrolls and healing potions."

So far to your cosmetics :-/

I don't get what you are saying, but to extend my point, you only need look towards DFO to see how those consumables would work.

Town Portal scrolls with either let you warp back to a hub without travelling on foot (which I doubt will be the case) or let you leave a dungeon remotely, but without some kind of rez sickness based on fatigue. It's usually there to keep you from going into a dungeon and leaving it willy-nilly, so imo, who cares abut that one.

Resurrection scrolls will be like extra lives on top of a set of ones you get reset daily. It's not a problem in DFO, and I've never seen a need to buy them. You just "try not to die" so goddamn much, though "easier said than done" in some cases.

Healing potions will no doubt be found in loot, but they are hard to come by, and easy to spend. Using DFO as an example, I've never seen a reason to buy the ones from the CS when plenty are readily available to buy from players using in-game currency.

 

I have no doubt that the cosmetics will have stats applied, because this is Nexon we are talking about, but if it follows the same method as DFO, you can just buy them off other players for crazy amounts of money - still beats handing real cash to a company you hate, yet play their games still - don't it?

They give you ways around this stuff, and they only seem to rely on spoiled kids and spendthrifts. Poor people and those with demented principles against CS methods can usually still get what they want, they just have to work for it. You can say "it's not faaaair" when it comes to people buying things you have to work extra hard for, but with reverse logic, it's not fair they had to pay for something you can still get for free if you put in extra effort.

Time or money, which is worth more? Pick one, then deal with it.

Sorry but you attitude just comes off as being blind to what almost all cash shops offer.   Nexxon is not going to let you play for free for any length of time, they are in the business to make money so it is almost a fact that you will eventually need to use the cash shop to advance further in the game at some point in time.  This will be more apparent when they add pvp.

While this might be a good game at the start with it's different manner of combat and loot,  you can bet in the end it will just be another how much do you want to spend to continue playing.  

As I have said time and time again, there will probably be a select few who have unlimited time to avoid the cash shop, but the vast majority will find it will be the cash shop or find another game.    

I don't mind paying for a game if I like it, but I have yet to see one of these f2p games that don't end up far exceeding what a normal subscription would be.  I doubt this game will be any different.  It is Nexxon we are dealing with here.

Nexon is a terrible gaming company. Between a horrid infestation of a crappy cash shops that turn people into anime loving retards and making meme's into buyable items along with ingame GM's being either not around to dead lazy dealing with game exploiters/botters/etc. This game is already going to end up housing the same brand of morons.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Sorry but you attitude just comes off as being blind to what almost all cash shops offer.   Nexxon is not going to let you play for free for any length of time, they are in the business to make money so it is almost a fact that you will eventually need to use the cash shop to advance further in the game at some point in time.  This will be more apparent when they add pvp.

While this might be a good game at the start with it's different manner of combat and loot,  you can bet in the end it will just be another how much do you want to spend to continue playing.  

As I have said time and time again, there will probably be a select few who have unlimited time to avoid the cash shop, but the vast majority will find it will be the cash shop or find another game.    

I don't mind paying for a game if I like it, but I have yet to see one of these f2p games that don't end up far exceeding what a normal subscription would be.  I doubt this game will be any different.  It is Nexxon we are dealing with here.

You are obviously missing the fact that the *vast majority* of F2P players actually [never spend a dime].

Anything they sell is simply incentive, and this is a point to the guy posting above you that said "you [have to] spend money to enjoy later content" - no you don't. You spend money to level faster, or to look more unique than anyone else around you, nothing is holding you back from enjoying the game at all, besides your issues with entitlement that a free game should give absolutely everything to you and run off of happy thoughts and wishes. They sell incentive, the game is free, but people's main qualm is in how if anything is held back at a cost, it must mean the game as a whole isn't worth it. Take a step outside your bubble, and actually try playing one, because the way you go on about truly makes me think you never have before.

Tons of F2P games don't lock [any] kind of content from you whatsover - besides DDO - which is now the posterchild for the methodology itself... and that is actually backwards as all hell. You can reach max levels and access all content in any F2P game, but the simple fact that items might allow you to get past it faster leads you to assume it should have been that way in the first place. You don't have to finish a game as quickly as possible, you just want to so that you can feel that crippling sensation of there being nothing to do at the end. People must actually like that crap, because all they ever ask for is "how fast can I hit a brick wall, get frustrated, and then quit?". For some that brick wall may be how long it takes to get to endgame, but for [everyone] it's actually reaching endgame and realizing there is nothing there - then signing up for seconds on the next game that comes out.

Get real people.

@above poster

Nexon is terrible, that much I agree with. Anyone who only localizes games from overseas, then applies charges has no real stake in said game, so of course they are going to rape you for as long as the game remains active. They don't care about it like the real developers do.

Originally posted by Erstok

Nexon is a terrible gaming company. Between a horrid infestation of a crappy cash shops that turn people into anime loving retards and making meme's into buyable items along with ingame GM's being either not around to dead lazy dealing with game exploiters/botters/etc. This game is already going to end up housing the same brand of morons.

Geez, you sure hate Nexon.

But in all honesty, ever since Nexon brought a few changes to their IP Block system and tweaked their servers a little, there has been a major decrease in botters/exploiters. Same for Gold Farmers, they are stopped much faster compared to before, and are also much "rarer".

As for the Cash Shop, in games such as Dungeon Fighter Online, Avatars items can be sold/traded to other players using in-game currency. Other than that, the cash shop does not sell items that are necessary to win (I have maxed several characters without ever buying anything from the cash shop, and am doing pretty good in PvP also)

To be honest, Nexon game's Cash Shop are amongst my favorite, as they are not necessary. Since they tend to focus on more skill-based games, being actually good is the actual way to win, the cash shop only serves to help weaker players.

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Back on subject, I got into the Closed Beta (starts August 10th) so I can't wait. And Dragon Nest in 2011, can't wait for that game either.

Now if only a company could bring Continent Of The Ninth to NA....

EU version?.. oh wait.. never going to happen.

nexon ?  lol no thanks

This isnt really a MMO is it?

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by Xianthos

Why you compare it with DFO (Darkfall online?) as it doesnt have an item shop o.O or i missed something.

The point i want to point out is that if they want to attract players to item shop they need offer something that every needs or wants to get. Mostly this ends offering something which gives you a benefit, that a normal player doesnt have and there for its a pay to win situation.

There for i will stick to a game with sub fee and i dont care if the sub fee is 30 dollars or 45 dollars as long its a good game.

I can somewhat understand your opinion on cash shops but not entirly since your being stupid about it. For one thing, Vindictus barely has PvP, it is a dungeon runner, so who cares about a pay to win situation? Pay to Win only matters if there is PvP involved. Plus the cash shop items barely help with PvP to begin with.

You would rather pay on outragous sub fee then have a CHOICE to buy something? That is retarded logic.  I would rather have the ability to pick what I want, when I want instead of being forced to pay outragous monthly fees for a game I have no idea how long I will be playing.

Just GTFO, we don't want ignorant biased people like you around anyway.

 

Please provide me a link where they will state that there wont be any PvP at all if you arent able to do it GTFO yourself. Thank you for your time.

Yeah i will pay the outragous monthyl fees if a company can provide a game with a good quality and which gives you FUN. Its my opinion and there is no need to rage or being emo about it. Its simply childish.

"We"? Who are these "we" people? You are pretty ignorant if you dare to speak for more then yourself.

Item shop. Pass.

I'm not going to bother with this...it seems to be dungeon crawling only with no explorable world  to do as you please. Just boat rides to whichever battle instance which will forseeably get old quickly in my opinion. The Item Mall offerings sound ridiculous as well...just not my speed is all. I'm sure there will be plenty of folks who will love this game though, and I think that's great. I think that the game itself sounds like a step in the right direction but far from complete so hope that the developers are given the freedom to expand on this game and open up the world. First and foremost: character customization. Just my thoughts... ;-)

I suppose this release will be limited to NA region, excluding the rest of the world, pretty much like they did with Mabinogi?

Well hopefully a proper MMo takes some of the good ideas like the interactive environment and runs with them.

Not that I don't appreciate the information, but does anyone else think this article was written very poorly?

Originally posted by Cruoris

if a game fails to include even the slightest attempt at a character creation system, odds are theres not much more going on then then appears at the demo.

You should eventually check out these character creation videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxKJ1WCUCoA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6qL2Cd61r0&feature=related

That looks like a lot of customization.

it just sounds like diablo 3, but with more emphasis on being able to swing chains and pieces of meat, and less emphasis on everything else.

Originally posted by Cruoris

it just sounds like diablo 3, but with more emphasis on being able to swing chains and pieces of meat, and less emphasis on everything else.

Yes, let's compare a game that's been out for a year in Korea to a game that isn't even out yet nor has any real gameplay footage. Also considering that Diablo 3 will be Buy 2 Play with rumors that could have a monthly fee better have a better emphasis on everything else to Vindictus which is Free to Play.

Nice addvert. One thing the author forgot to mention is that this game has been out for 2 years in Asia.

Originally posted by corun

Originally posted by Cruoris

if a game fails to include even the slightest attempt at a character creation system, odds are theres not much more going on then then appears at the demo.

You should eventually check out these character creation videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxKJ1WCUCoA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6qL2Cd61r0&feature=related

That looks like a lot of customization.

What is your definition of "a lot of"?  It certainly does not come close to what I consider a lot.  Customization, from what we have seen from videos and such is very mediocre and you have to deal with the gender locks issues on top of that.

I am personally tired of eastern games with hundreds of players exactly like my avatar.  Lately many of the newer games from Asia have included very nice customization, this game seems to reverse that trend significantly.