Originally posted by dreamscaper

The sooner we get rid of this 'cartoonish = childish' mindset, the better.

Tottaly agree with you. Besides, i never said cartoonish = childish, I just said that those 2 are combined

and here's a perfect example of a cartoonish game coming out thats not at all childish! and im certainly going to play it

Rusty hearts

Originally posted by obscured

Originally posted by Xiro

well it all started with "anime styled" MMOs, which i was down for. They were cool, but probably cause i was 13 or 14 when they started coming out. Now i'm 20, almost 21, and i can't stand them. I hate games with a bunch of kids that cant spell or just ask for free items. It brings down the economy man... lol 

Same here, i m about 22. It's not just that I don't stand them, it surprises me how poppular and overrated they are. It seems just few years passed after MMOs birth and not only the gaming industry got f*cked up, but the gaming community turns out to be worse and worse as time passes by

You'll realize when you're 32 you'll miss when things were simpler and you could enjoy things regardless of how "grown up" they were.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by obscured

Originally posted by Xiro

well it all started with "anime styled" MMOs, which i was down for. They were cool, but probably cause i was 13 or 14 when they started coming out. Now i'm 20, almost 21, and i can't stand them. I hate games with a bunch of kids that cant spell or just ask for free items. It brings down the economy man... lol 

Same here, i m about 22. It's not just that I don't stand them, it surprises me how poppular and overrated they are. It seems just few years passed after MMOs birth and not only the gaming industry got f*cked up, but the gaming community turns out to be worse and worse as time passes by

You'll realize when you're 32 you'll miss when things were simpler and you could enjoy things regardless of how "grown up" they were.

I'm sure of that considering where the gaming industry is heading to.

btw did u knew Aeria games is shutting down kitsu saga? what a waste.. :( it was one of the nicest f2p out there

Originally posted by obscured

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by obscured

Originally posted by Xiro

well it all started with "anime styled" MMOs, which i was down for. They were cool, but probably cause i was 13 or 14 when they started coming out. Now i'm 20, almost 21, and i can't stand them. I hate games with a bunch of kids that cant spell or just ask for free items. It brings down the economy man... lol 

Same here, i m about 22. It's not just that I don't stand them, it surprises me how poppular and overrated they are. It seems just few years passed after MMOs birth and not only the gaming industry got f*cked up, but the gaming community turns out to be worse and worse as time passes by

You'll realize when you're 32 you'll miss when things were simpler and you could enjoy things regardless of how "grown up" they were.

I'm sure of that considering where the gaming industry is heading to.

btw did u knew Aeria games is shutting down kitsu saga? what a waste.. :( it was one of the nicest f2p out there

Who and what game? :P

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by obscured

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by obscured

Originally posted by Xiro

well it all started with "anime styled" MMOs, which i was down for. They were cool, but probably cause i was 13 or 14 when they started coming out. Now i'm 20, almost 21, and i can't stand them. I hate games with a bunch of kids that cant spell or just ask for free items. It brings down the economy man... lol 

Same here, i m about 22. It's not just that I don't stand them, it surprises me how poppular and overrated they are. It seems just few years passed after MMOs birth and not only the gaming industry got f*cked up, but the gaming community turns out to be worse and worse as time passes by

You'll realize when you're 32 you'll miss when things were simpler and you could enjoy things regardless of how "grown up" they were.

I'm sure of that considering where the gaming industry is heading to.

btw did u knew Aeria games is shutting down kitsu saga? what a waste.. :( it was one of the nicest f2p out there

Who and what game? :P

hehehe

Kitsu Saga

A game not very impressive on graphics and enviroment but one of the most addicting games on gameplay... pretty much like 2moons..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7loMEUzm8cI

too bad games like this keep shutting down and crap games are staying out there..

Originally posted by obscured

Who and what game? :P

hehehe

Kitsu Saga

A game not very impressive on graphics and enviroment but one of the most addicting games on gameplay... pretty much like 2moons..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7loMEUzm8cI

too bad games like this keep shutting down and crap games are staying out there..

Not really my thing (F2P) Vindictus isn't bad, but hey at least they're offering refunds.:D

Originally posted by obscured

Originally posted by Kickphat

It is because not everyone can upgrade there computer or have computer that can handle real looking graphics plus they don't age well they look out dated in about 2-3 years. Stylized graphics age alot better and you don't need a gaming computer to play them. This is why WoW sold so well. You don't even need a graphics card to play the game if you have a newer montherboard.

You 're right about that, but WoW may had those kind of graphics but it was a REAL game, had a great storyline,had much content, and although i do not like it, it's a great game for it's kind. I was reffering to games like
Yohoho! Puzzle pirates, and Wizard 101 , or hello kitty or wonderking. And there are tons others like those. Do you believe they deserve their ratings? I think some of them shouldn't even be on the list. One question that comes in mind though, is who votes so much for these games? are there really so many people playing those? do they have such a big community ? It's just confusing for me

Have you played a game like Wizard 101? I tried it out just on a whim and it's surprisingly fun for what it is. I ended up playing it for a while, usually when I only had my laptop with me and I wanted to play a game.

As a game aimed squarely at kids, they go out of their way to make sure that kids have a fun, safe, engaging game to play, and it's intuitive enough that their parents can play right alongside them. Its ratings are well deserved when you take the game in context. Sure, it's not a traditional MMO like, say, EVE or World of Warcraft, but for what it is, it's pretty good.

Originally posted by obscured

Originally posted by Xiro

well it all started with "anime styled" MMOs, which i was down for. They were cool, but probably cause i was 13 or 14 when they started coming out. Now i'm 20, almost 21, and i can't stand them. I hate games with a bunch of kids that cant spell or just ask for free items. It brings down the economy man... lol 

Same here, i m about 22. It's not just that I don't stand them, it surprises me how poppular and overrated they are. It seems just few years passed after MMOs birth and not only the gaming industry got f*cked up, but the gaming community turns out to be worse and worse as time passes by

I can't help but laugh when reading these posts. I'm 38. Neither of you had even been born when I started gaming. You're both far too young to play the cynical old gamer card.

Relax. Realize that there are some games that are going to be made for kids, and some for adults. And realize that game developers try to make their games for the widest possible audience because not everyone can afford to upgrade their PC every six months to show off hyper-realistic graphics.

Artistic direction, animation and design must come together to complement the game setting and story.  The setting matters a lot - more serious setting usually cannot handle stylished realism or cartoony art as well as more high fantasy setting like WoW or SW:TOR. A good example where a serious setting is very well backed up with artistic direction is The Witcher 2.

Also, cartoony does not always mean "childish". That is absolutely rubbish and usually an opinion of very narrow minded individuals, or perhaps just lack of exposure to approriate material.

As a parent I can tell you games like Wizard 101 have been a God send for me. My daughter is not ready for a real MMO and these fill the gap rather nicely. She usually loses interest after a short time and since these are F2P it costs me nothing. Keep these F2P Kiddy games coming!!

I actually quite liked the features of fiesta.

Fiesta has Raids starting at level 5. o.o

Who cares if you can group to max level in wow.  You can raid to max level in fiesta o.o

And isnt mabinogi a sandboxy game? So I wonder why not more people from here play it..

Anyways! As for why there are a lot of asian games that use those "childish cartoon-like" graphics...Beause people there like them o.o MTV was actually running ads for ROSE online when it was coming out.  As in the hosts learning to play ROSE online so its really not childish there o.o

Ediit :

Also, these f2p mmos coming out have some reallly awesome systems...like soul master (pikmin style) and dungeon empires and other stuff o.o

Originally posted by obscured

Seriusly. I mean, to a point i get it, gaming industry is evolving and now MMOs can target other ages and genders too, but for gods shake i do not understand where all those childish cartoon games came from, and why are they even getting developed at this rate, and what confuses me more is their ratings.

Some of them are REALLY overrated and I do not understand why. Are they so poppular?

I don't get it either, except that maybe because they are FTP.  So every kid from here to Timbuktoo can download it without mommy or daddy knowing and then get all their friends playing it at school...or...I don't know, I'm just guessing really.

Might have to do with it being cheaper to make cartoony graphics as opposed to realistic.  It's almost to the point, that I wish MMORPG.com would make a FTPguru sight so we can separate the 2 types of games.  But then...they would have Lotro over there so...oh well, nevermind.  -_-

  Heh , you need to get used to it , since it's the new trend since WoW.  Apparently no one cares for realistic graphics. Hint : Maple Story / Minecraft.

  If the game is fun , graphics goes out the window , as it should.

Making a fun realistic MMO is asking the impossible. It cannot be done since devs are on a time table and if everything goes into graphics , as time have shown us , we end up with a shitty release.  Hint : AoC.

  Enjoy your cartoony MMO's , because they aren't leaving any generation soon.

kid market is always the most profitable one because they are stupid 100% and you cant really deny it. They are easy targets for money.

P.S. have you see the amoung of 13 year olds in the internet? its growing very fast...

Anyway cartoony graphics arent that bad because they are usually smooth and not sluggish compared to overly realistic graphics where the character needs 1 second to finish a simple animation and during that second you have no control. And it doesnt feel nice to have 0 control over your character

Originally posted by Wolfy2449

kid market is always the most profitable one because they are stupid 100% and you cant really deny it. They are easy targets for money.

P.S. have you see the amoung of 13 year olds in the internet? its growing very fast...

 

Anyway cartoony graphics arent that bad because they are usually smooth and not sluggish compared to overly realistic graphics where the character needs 1 second to finish a simple animation and during that second you have no control. And it doesnt feel nice to have 0 control over your character

Kids are just more easily pleased, yet kids have no money to pay for anything, only spoiled kids fall into what you're saying. I've also noticed as of late many parents are cracking down on how much net/game time kids get. Parents certainly were not like that while I grew up. Looks like the parents of my generation are going to be a little more hands on than in the past, if my friends that are parents are any indication, we know what it leads to to not be.

Originally posted by Wolfy2449

Anyway cartoony graphics arent that bad because they are usually smooth and not sluggish compared to overly realistic graphics where the character needs 1 second to finish a simple animation and during that second you have no control. And it doesnt feel nice to have 0 control over your character

Cartoony graphics are just one facet of stylized graphics. Look at Guild Wars 2 and Star Wars: The Old Republic, GW2 fanboys like to bash SW:TOR for its "bad" graphics, and SW:TOR fanboys like to bash GW2 by saying it will require a real beast of a PC. But as a matter of fact, they are both wrong. SW:TOR and GW2 will probably have the similar requirements because they are on a similar graphical level, the only difference is the art style, and I think that the art style is a reason why people think GW2 has got better graphics than SW:TOR. 

Unfortunately, most companies are to greedy and cheap to hire artists and in that way you get all your MMORPGs covered in cartoony graphics.

@ OP, it's childish to think that cartoon-like graphics are childish. I am not a child and I love cartoon-like graphics as they are more creative and are funnier. Plus they are easier on your computer and age much better than realistic graphics which are crap in about a year or so....

The fact that you are all making some generalisations about the age of someone playing certain games means you're all CHILDISH! For example, look at the below post.

Originally posted by fivoroth

@ OP, it's childish to think that cartoon-like graphics are childish. I am not a child and I love cartoon-like graphics as they are more creative and are funnier. Plus they are easier on your computer and age much better than realistic graphics which are crap in about a year or so....

The fact that you are all making some generalisations about the age of someone playing certain games means you're all CHILDISH!

Mate read more carefully. i dont have anything against cartoon-like graphics. I said about cartoon-like graphics COMBINED with childish content and gameplay. And i dont have anything against the WHOLE genre just the rate they keep popping out and their ratings.

On the contrary i like cartoonish graphics. I m certainly going to play Rusty Hearts ;)

Originally posted by Kickphat

Originally posted by obscured

Originally posted by Kickphat

It is because not everyone can upgrade there computer or have computer that can handle real looking graphics plus they don't age well they look out dated in about 2-3 years. Stylized graphics age alot better and you don't need a gaming computer to play them. This is why WoW sold so well. You don't even need a graphics card to play the game if you have a newer montherboard.

You 're right about that, but WoW may had those kind of graphics but it was a REAL game, had a great storyline,had much content, and although i do not like it, it's a great game for it's kind. I was reffering to games like
Yohoho! Puzzle pirates, and Wizard 101 , or hello kitty or wonderking. And there are tons others like those. Do you believe they deserve their ratings? I think some of them shouldn't even be on the list. One question that comes in mind though, is who votes so much for these games? are there really so many people playing those? do they have such a big community ? It's just confusing for me

Those games are aimed at kids in the first place and you should rated as such. If you played a game you think is the greatest game for kids you should give it a high score. More than graphics and gameplay go into rating a game. You also have you have to think about who are they trying to get to buy and play the game and how the gameplay fits into that.