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  Suzie_Ford

MMORPG.COM Staff

Joined: 6/28/10
Posts: 6537

 
7/15/10 8:15:59 AM#1

Blizzard has posted a one page synopsis of the changes coming to the Class & Mastery Systems once Cataclysm goes live. Without any specific detail with regard to each class/mastery, the article outlines Blizzard's vision as well as highlights 'The Rise of Specialization' and 'True Mastery'.

The active abilities unlocked with the initial talent tree selection are abilities that are core to the role being chosen. Our goal is to choose abilities that let the specializations come into their own much earlier than was possible when a specialization-defining talent had to be buried deep enough that other talent trees couldn’t access them. For example, having Lava Lash and Dual-Wield right away lets an Enhancement shaman feel like an Enhancement shaman. Other examples of abilities players can now get immediately by choosing the related talent specialization at level 10 include Mortal Strike, Bloodthirst, Shield Slam, Mutilate, Shadow Step, Thunderstorm, Earth Shield, Water Elemental, and Penance.

Head to the Cataclysm site for the full article.

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  Pigozz

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/06/07
Posts: 694

Nihil gratis

7/15/10 8:29:19 AM#2

this. sucks. in. the. most. suckish. way...

Next time just choose your mastery and forget about any talent trees to make it even MORE significant and cookie-cutter

...meh this is the last nail into the coffin for any... well the only thing that comes to my mind is real player...

MMOs played chronologically:
Runescape,Lineage II, WoW,Tabula Rasa, AoC,Eve Online,Guild Wars, Rift(beta only),SWTOR(beta only),Star Trek Online
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  Clattuc

Novice Member

Joined: 4/04/05
Posts: 161

7/15/10 8:33:45 AM#3

But our focus groups told us that WoW NGE is more iconic and starwarsy than ever!  Admit it, you want to be a Tauren Jedi, not Uncle Owen the gnome moisture farmer!

  -exo

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Joined: 4/02/06
Posts: 574

"Everything is ok in the end. If it's not ok, then it's not the end."

7/15/10 9:15:45 AM#4

well, good bye to those of you who are leaving? I'm more than sure after all the crying etc... for anyone who posts against this - you will not be missed.

www.roxstudiodesigns.com

  Pigozz

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Joined: 11/06/07
Posts: 694

Nihil gratis

7/15/10 9:28:39 AM#5
Originally posted by -exo

well, good bye to those of you who are leaving? I'm more than sure after all the crying etc... for anyone who posts against this - you will not be missed.

.uh..I was speaking about others...

I quit like 3 years ago...

*baby talk* :

Now go grind your ass of to get that shiny mercilless set and be su uber lilo!

/baby talk

MMOs played chronologically:
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  chronbodi

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/22/09
Posts: 11

7/15/10 9:32:57 AM#6

Mmmm, well... Bear in mind that if you actually raid, depending on your class of course, you have about 5 discretionary points. The rest of them go into the same skills for everyone. I really don't see this changing much tbh.

  Vortan

Apprentice Member

Joined: 12/16/07
Posts: 28

7/15/10 9:39:58 AM#7

this is lame because like someone said before...the less choices you have to put talent points into other things, the less specialization you have...cookie cutter builds will be back in full force with this

  viditorum

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Joined: 10/05/06
Posts: 60

7/15/10 9:45:47 AM#8

I for one am kinda on the fence here with Cataclysm.Having left the game several months ago I dont know where I stand but at least I am going to get a good laugh out of all the complaining about the changes. I say if you are going to get the game get it and then complain after you have played the game with the changes  speculate all you want untill they go live but if you are going to do the whole " I quiting because..." garbage dont waste the worlds time. Having weathered the SWG NGE change and leaving due to the changes I find this scene looking all too familiar.If it even comes close to having the same impact on WOW that the NGE had on SWG it will be very interesting to watch this all unfold especialy with the current global economies state.Alas change comes,welcomed or not it will come and life goes on. Who knows maybe there will be a spike in sales of books and other slightly more conducive to selfdevelopement media and related item,not likely , but there is hope.

  Illyssia

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/10/09
Posts: 1130

7/15/10 9:48:10 AM#9
Originally posted by chronbodi

Mmmm, well... Bear in mind that if you actually raid, depending on your class of course, you have about 5 discretionary points. The rest of them go into the same skills for everyone. I really don't see this changing much tbh.

 

That's always been an issue for WoW, in reality the paucity of viable talent/skill options means you don't really have many options for the game long-term.
  goldenkey

Novice Member

Joined: 11/07/08
Posts: 97

7/15/10 9:51:50 AM#10
I am not sure why but Blizzard is on this dumbing everything down kick. In WOTLK it was the raids and dungeons in cat it's the gearing and stats used to min max your charter. While this might appeal to some of the casuals I think it might backfire on them. They must have some survey data that tells them things are to complicated I would like to know who is telling them this. I will admit that the number of stats that have been put of the gear in resent years was getting out of hand but who the hell was complaining about the # of chouses in the talent trees?
 
I would like to hear from someone that has some idea on what's driving this sense I am wondering about the reasons why blizzard is changing the talent trees.
  -exo

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Joined: 4/02/06
Posts: 574

"Everything is ok in the end. If it's not ok, then it's not the end."

7/15/10 9:53:16 AM#11
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by -exo

well, good bye to those of you who are leaving? I'm more than sure after all the crying etc... for anyone who posts against this - you will not be missed.

.uh..I was speaking about others...

I quit like 3 years ago...

*baby talk* :

Now go grind your ass of to get that shiny mercilless set and be su uber lilo!

/baby talk

Sure- but you are far from being missed.

www.roxstudiodesigns.com

  dagrave

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/13/06
Posts: 9

7/15/10 9:57:41 AM#12

It amazes me that people who leave the game still watch the forums on a subject of the game they "hate". Its like saying you are over your girlfriend and you always ask her friends who she is dating..or spy on her.

 Get over your selves and leave the game for good. It is not like you are ever going to convince anyone to leave the game.

And last but not least...no one cares about your opinion, since you left the game anyhow...who cares about you.

Leave your EX-game to the ones that are enjoying it or playing it....

 

As far as the changes? It brings something new to a game that is several years old (but yet has a greater population then any active mmo). I for one am looking foward to the changes. To me one of the things I enjoy is fine tuning my character..and besides you will never get rid of cookie cutter specs. These changes are to bring a greater importance to your talent points..each point means more then it does now. The majority of current specs dont even spec to the 51 points needed for the last skill in a given tree any how.

  Copenhagen

Apprentice Member

Joined: 11/11/06
Posts: 48

God is great, Beer is good, and People are Stupid!

7/15/10 9:59:10 AM#13

These talent ideas do look sort of interesting, along with a lot of other things that I've seen and heard people talk about them adding to the game.  

 

But I know what type of game WoW is.  It is a Raiding, game.  Which is totally cool, I'm just not really into that.  It would be nice if Blizzard would have some insight and make some PvP servers that raiding was not the thing, in fact they could even take all the raid dungeons out of the game.  But they never will.  

I'll tell you a lost interest in World of Warcraft, when I found out just how much Grinding/Raiding was involved, and continued to be placed in the expansion packs.

Therefore, I quit playing the game because Raiding, and Grinding for Skills/Weapons/Armor/Crafting/Gold...is not really my play style.  

I had the most fun playing WoW, from it's release, to about 6 months after it's release.   I enjoy'd the ease of leveling, the fun times that I had playing the 5 man dungeons with my buddies, the laughs we had on vent in World PvP.    The epic battles at Tauren Mill...

 

Then it would up being that I had to leave my best friends to try and get recruited to some guild that I did not know anyone in, just to be able to try to raid to get better gear.  Then  all the drama with all the guilds members fighting over DKP, and who had first dibs on gear, the guild break-ups...all because the grinding and raiding tempo of the game.

 

If for any reason WoW ever finds a way to entertain the Small Best Buddy Groups of PvP gamers like me and my buddies, as well as they currently entertain the raiders, it could be possible for us to return to the game.  However I very seriously doubt that will ever happen.

 

The game is a sick disgusting waste of ones life sitting at a computer 24-7 grinding for some virtual pixels.  

 

I just want to log on, chop someone's head of, and them go to bed.  Is that to much to ask?

  dagrave

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/13/06
Posts: 9

7/15/10 10:02:06 AM#14

Just for an in depth look from a beta testers view. These guys are the ones most people copy on beating raids or fine tuning your character. http://www.tankspot.com

  viditorum

Novice Member

Joined: 10/05/06
Posts: 60

7/15/10 10:02:58 AM#15
Originally posted by dagrave

It amazes me that people who leave the game still watch the forums on a subject of the game they "hate". Its like saying you are over your girlfriend and you always ask her friends who she is dating..or spy on her.

 Get over your selves and leave the game for good. It is not like you are ever going to convince anyone to leave the game.

And last but not least...no one cares about your opinion, since you left the game anyhow...who cares about you.

Leave your EX-game to the ones that are enjoying it or playing it....

 

As far as the changes? It brings something new to a game that is several years old (but yet has a greater population then any active mmo). I for one am looking foward to the changes. To me one of the things I enjoy is fine tuning my character..and besides you will never get rid of cookie cutter specs. These changes are to bring a greater importance to your talent points..each point means more then it does now. The majority of current specs dont even spec to the 51 points needed for the last skill in a given tree any how.

I can understand your point about people who have canceled the game and say they hate it. I for one dont hate it , I just got bored and due to the time I had to play the game I wasnt being a productive player in the guild so I left. I hope this doesnt fail for blizzard but only time will tell as it also will in determining if I return or not.

  viditorum

Novice Member

Joined: 10/05/06
Posts: 60

7/15/10 10:07:05 AM#16
Originally posted by Copenhagen

 


I just want to log on, chop someone's head of, and them go to bed.  Is that to much to ask?

I second that , and most of the rest of the post but mostly this !

  mukin

Novice Member

Joined: 2/10/08
Posts: 78

7/15/10 10:19:57 AM#17

Shadow Step at level 10!  Woot!

  Giosync

Novice Member

Joined: 6/17/10
Posts: 108

Maybe Tuesday.

7/15/10 10:36:18 AM#18

I like this, sounds great honestly.

I'm free on Friday.

  Haven2035

Novice Member

Joined: 7/22/06
Posts: 59

"Yeah, fuck that shit."

7/15/10 10:36:20 AM#19

The funny part about this....

 

Is they talk about giving players more choices. In fact cataclysm was supposed to be like a rebirth of choice for players.

 

How they gonnna get more choices blizzard? by taking them away so they have to choose less?

 

Somehow I imagine that equates to more choices by blizztard math.

 

BTW I LoL'd at the retards trolling the peopl who would "cry" about this change.  Fact in people like this are part of the reason why WoW sucks donkey nuts.

  Haven2035

Novice Member

Joined: 7/22/06
Posts: 59

"Yeah, fuck that shit."

7/15/10 10:40:12 AM#20

Lol sorry but Cookiecutter games are about as stupid as the people who think they are leet at WoW.

 

Being leet at WoW is like being the fastest retarded kid at the special olympics.

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