Originally posted by bastionix

Why do you care.

People invested time in a game, they get mad, they post it, they stop caring and they move on. Some just take longer than normal, but eventually they move on.

I thought that too, but for a number of people that's not the case, some haven't moved on for years.

To the OP: for AoC, it can be easily determined, namely the disastrous launch 2 years ago.

In general. you'll always have people who genuinely believe a product is bad or has flaws and they want to expose them, and the more other people will only stress the good aspects of a game/company or go with the hype, the more they will do their best to highlight the bad aspects, because they feel those are underappreciated.

In the case of AoC, you'll also have the effect of the launch debacle: there was a lot of hype, and when AoC launched as it was a lot of people felt betrayed and lied to by Funcom. For a number of people it seriously damaged their belief in the MMO market and in what game company representatives are saying about their game, to the point that a lot of these people are saying 'never again'. Never again believing any hype, never again trust what company reps are saying about their upcoming game, never again believe in a MMO game before it's released, never again trust Funcom.

Sure, a lot of people move on, just as when people have experienced a bad breakup they also don't suddenly decide to never fall in love again or never trust women again.

But a handful of people have made it their mission to discredit the game and the company as much as they can, because of the 'hurt' it gave them and the loss of trust. They consider it payback, and some consider it a righteous crusade, helping in making the game and the company look bad in any way they can, they use truths, half truths and outright lies for it if needed. The goal justifies the means.

What those people haven't learnt is 'to let go', and they haven't realised that games as well as companies aren't purely bad or 'evil', but that they change as much as everything else in life. In a way, they're stuck in the past.

In the case you mentioned in the OP it's AoC and Funcom, but it applies as well to SWG NGE debacle, SOE, STO, WAR, Mythic, Cryptic, you name it.

Originally posted by Raizeen

Originally posted by Mahlo

I think MMORPG should introduce realID, that'll curb some of the hate.

+1

Every poster who supports this concept should be signing their posts with their real names, or otherwise, they're being hypocritical in their support.

But that was off topic.

1) Forums are for PVP, get used to it, haters are going to hate.

2) Haters enjoy what they do, its either entertaining or just a cause they feel is worthy of pursing.  (the complete and utter destruction of an MMORPG or game company.  Don't laugh, there are dumber causes, look at Peta)

3) Yes, every MMO made has a huge section of haters, from MO to WOW.

4) Every MMO has a huge section of Fanbois who unreasonably promote their favorite game despite its obvious flaws.  OP is such a post..  Not saying AOC is a terrrible game these days, but keep in mind even the worse games (which MO might qualify for, I dunno) has supporters who stick with it until the doors close.

Originally posted by Kyleran

4) Every MMO has a huge section of Fanbois who unreasonably promote their favorite game despite its obvious flaws.  OP is such a post..  Not saying AOC is a terrrible game these days, but keep in mind even the worse games (which MO might qualify for, I dunno) has supporters who stick with it until the doors close.

 

I wouldn't just start calling people 'fanboi' just like that, like you do with the OP.

There's a difference between fans and fanbois.

To me, fanbois and haters are essentially the same, people fall in one of these categories if they're unable to acknowledge arguments or aspects from the other side: haters can't/won't acknowledge any good aspects of a game or company, fanbois can't/won't acknowledge any bad aspects of a game or company.

Their viewpoints are extreme and even more, rigid: there's no balance or moderate in it.

Originally posted by cyphers

Originally posted by Kyleran

4) Every MMO has a huge section of Fanbois who unreasonably promote their favorite game despite its obvious flaws.  OP is such a post..  Not saying AOC is a terrrible game these days, but keep in mind even the worse games (which MO might qualify for, I dunno) has supporters who stick with it until the doors close.

 

I wouldn't just start calling people 'fanboi' just like that, like you do with the OP.

There's a difference between fans and fanbois.

To me, fanbois and haters are essentially the same, people fall in one of these categories if they're unable to acknowledge arguments or aspects from the other side: haters can't/won't acknowledge any good aspects of a game or company, fanbois can't/won't acknowledge any bad aspects of a game or company.

Their viewpoints are extreme and even more, rigid: there's no balance or moderate in it.

The mere fact the OP created a new thread supporting a particular game and decry's those who criticize it marks him as a fanboi in my book. 

Despite my post count, not one of them started a thread to do such a thing, despite my obvious love of certain games. (and yes, I could be called a fanboi at times, name doesn't bother me)

Also, not the first time this complaint has come around, won't be the last. 

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Originally posted by Kyleran

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Originally posted by cyphers

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Originally posted by Kyleran


4) Every MMO has a huge section of Fanbois who unreasonably promote their favorite game despite its obvious flaws.  OP is such a post..  Not saying AOC is a terrrible game these days, but keep in mind even the worse games (which MO might qualify for, I dunno) has supporters who stick with it until the doors close.
 

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I wouldn't just start calling people 'fanboi' just like that, like you do with the OP.
There's a difference between fans and fanbois.
To me, fanbois and haters are essentially the same, people fall in one of these categories if they're unable to acknowledge arguments or aspects from the other side: haters can't/won't acknowledge any good aspects of a game or company, fanbois can't/won't acknowledge any bad aspects of a game or company.
Their viewpoints are extreme and even more, rigid: there's no balance or moderate in it.

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The mere fact the OP created a new thread supporting a particular game and decry's those who criticize it marks him as a fanboi in my book. 
Despite my post count, not one of them started a thread to do such a thing, despite my obvious love of certain games. (and yes, I could be called a fanboi at times, name doesn't bother me)
Also, not the first time this complaint has come around, won't be the last. 

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Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by cyphers

Originally posted by Kyleran

4) Every MMO has a huge section of Fanbois who unreasonably promote their favorite game despite its obvious flaws.  OP is such a post..  Not saying AOC is a terrrible game these days, but keep in mind even the worse games (which MO might qualify for, I dunno) has supporters who stick with it until the doors close.

 

I wouldn't just start calling people 'fanboi' just like that, like you do with the OP.

There's a difference between fans and fanbois.

To me, fanbois and haters are essentially the same, people fall in one of these categories if they're unable to acknowledge arguments or aspects from the other side: haters can't/won't acknowledge any good aspects of a game or company, fanbois can't/won't acknowledge any bad aspects of a game or company.

Their viewpoints are extreme and even more, rigid: there's no balance or moderate in it.

The mere fact the OP created a new thread supporting a particular game and decry's those who criticize it marks him as a fanboi in my book. 

Despite my post count, not one of them started a thread to do such a thing, despite my obvious love of certain games. (and yes, I could be called a fanboi at times, name doesn't bother me)

Also, not the first time this complaint has come around, won't be the last. 

 Typical, short sighted reply.

I wasn't supporting a partular game, I mentioned that I have just started playing AoC 8 months ago and although it does relate to that game (as an example) as I said I believe this affects mmo's in a wider sense and I  invited some opinions on it.

To be honest your post kind of proves my point and what does posts counts have to do with it?

Generally people that post emotionally on forums are lacking something outside of the internet.  Maybe love or cuddling.  Maybe they think they deserve more credit than they get for the nothing they have contributed to the world.  Either way on forums 99% of people are the same and they only want to talk, and never want to listen.  This equates to a bunch of weird opinionated people all talking at the same time and all being ignored at the same time.  Imagine a room where everyone is shouting and no one is listening.  Now imagine a room of Star Wars fans and a guy with nipple rings and pointy ears screaming about how much George Lucas sucks while banging his head and crapping on the floor.  This guy gets attention thus feeding his urge to fill whatever he lacks outside of the internet while not having to physically be there or feel the shame that this would cause in person.

This is generally your answer.  There are a few people that can be counted on your left hand who actually use forums to exchange information without getting all emotional, but they are the type that would just leave the room mentioned above.

Originally posted by ProfRed

Generally people that post emotionally on forums are lacking something outside of the internet.  Maybe love or cuddling.  Maybe they think they deserve more credit than they get for the nothing they have contributed to the world.  Either way on forums 99% of people are the same and they only want to talk, and never want to listen.  This equates to a bunch of weird opinionated people all talking at the same time and all being ignored at the same time.  Imagine a room where everyone is shouting and no one is listening.  Now imagine a room of Star Wars fans and a guy with nipple rings and pointy ears screaming about how much George Lucas sucks while banging his head and crapping on the floor.  This guy gets attention thus feeding his urge to fill whatever he lacks outside of the internet while not having to physically be there or feel the shame that this would cause in person.

This is generally your answer.  There are a few people that can be counted on your left hand who actually use forums to exchange information without getting all emotional, but they are the type that would just leave the room mentioned above.

I would say 100% as you post the same ways as so called 99% :-)

Welcome on board mate!

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Raizeen

Originally posted by Mahlo

I think MMORPG should introduce realID, that'll curb some of the hate.

+1

Every poster who supports this concept should be signing their posts with their real names, or otherwise, they're being hypocritical in their support.

 

 

 Why?  According to your logic everyone that supports anything should start doing it before it is the accepted practice.  Hypocritical would be them leaving the forum board if Realid is started because they do not like it after advocating it. 

Originally posted by Xianthos

Originally posted by ProfRed

Generally people that post emotionally on forums are lacking something outside of the internet.  Maybe love or cuddling.  Maybe they think they deserve more credit than they get for the nothing they have contributed to the world.  Either way on forums 99% of people are the same and they only want to talk, and never want to listen.  This equates to a bunch of weird opinionated people all talking at the same time and all being ignored at the same time.  Imagine a room where everyone is shouting and no one is listening.  Now imagine a room of Star Wars fans and a guy with nipple rings and pointy ears screaming about how much George Lucas sucks while banging his head and crapping on the floor.  This guy gets attention thus feeding his urge to fill whatever he lacks outside of the internet while not having to physically be there or feel the shame that this would cause in person.

This is generally your answer.  There are a few people that can be counted on your left hand who actually use forums to exchange information without getting all emotional, but they are the type that would just leave the room mentioned above.

I would say 100% as you post the same ways as so called 99% :-)

Welcome on board mate!

I have been part of the 99% since 2003.  I never come to forums to listen unless it's a sticky, news, or dev and then I don't reply.  I come here for emotional fun and to try to win arguments since I can't do that with my wife.  This is what I am lacking outside the internet.

Get a dog.  When you are argue with them they just look at you stupid and you feel like you really intellecutally kicked their butt.

Originally posted by madcraggy

Why do people who not like a game complain a bit (which is to be expected) and then leave to find a game they do like?

Love-hate relationships are hardly a problem unique to the games people play.  Sometimes it's hard to let go of anything - jobs, homes, friendships, to make the clean break and move on.  It's irrational, it's self-destructive, but it's human nature.  MMOs are very good at forging a sense of community, ownership and habit ... the very combination of things most likely to lead to a difficult seperation.

Some people just love to complain.

This discussion will not end well.

Locking it.