funny you guys think APB is bad... you should see how bad NFS: World is  :(

I tell ya I would pay to play MotorCity Online if EA brought the servers back, but even free to play I won't be playing NFS: World cause its just a POS game.

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

Originally posted by Ginaz

My issue is, as s shooter, its lacking.  I've had much more fun with other 3rd person shooter games like Max Payne, Gears of War and Mass Effect.  Those games got it right wrt combat.  APB didn't.  Simple as that.

Which of those is an MMO? 

 

APB is the best shooter MMO we have. Simple as that :) 

 

Just because its an mmo, doesn't mean I have to lower my standards and expectations when it comes to what I expect from a 3rd person shooter.  And neither should anyone else.  The combat, driving and UI just feel extremly clunky and unituitive to me.

Just adding my two cents, after the Darkfall mess I don't trust anything Eurogamer says. 

Kinda funny by some definitions you could call Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 multiplayer aswell MMOS :)

Reviews i learned not to trust. I played the game myself for a brief time, and while it was probably too short to get a proper grasp of it, i can safely say it didn't felt as worth the subscription fee yet. 

While all the technical things can be fixed and should be as soon as possible, the game itself suffered from a lack of finished idea. So we have GTA-like setting with cops and crims, car driving, guns, and all the good stuff, and yet it feels empty, void of anything more than just running from one mission spot to another. 

The world itself felt dead outside of the mission scenarios, anything you do in between them seems to not matter much at all, the supposedly persistant world is just an illlusion and excuse. Simply put, the gameplay felt slow. Outside of missions there is nothing, oh sure you can stand on the corner at look at others having fun, but that gets old pretty fast. Why, as a criminal, i cant pick up a sweet spot somewhere and just annoy the hell out of the cops?  Why as a cop i cant just get into pursuit of someone that obviously brakes the law. Instead, i have to pick up a mission, and be stuck in that mission for overly long time.

The concept fails to show me how it is a MMO worth paying a fee.

I think, despite all the bad words Global Agenda recieved, it at least tried to do things right. They didn't ask for payment prior to releasing actual content for the game, and eventually decided that their game is not actually a product that can fairly deserve the fee. APB faces similar problem, the lack of the the actual MMO content makes it a fun game, that i will have to pass on, due to simple fact i can get pretty much same expierience from buy2play games. 

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Originally posted by GrayGhost79
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 Add shooting mechanics )
We won't agree here that's for sure.
People who like softcore Battefield: BC2 would cry about the weapon characteristics, range, accuracy and damage in APB. I don't even mention things like limited range of view and bullets disappearing after 100 meters. I say it again, APB is an action game /  shooter in the core so it suppose to cater to players who enjoy this kind of entertainment. It fails to deliver the quality of such a title. There is no tactics, strategy in this, it is all about damage per second and optimal range. Can you give us details about weapon ranges and damage drop ? I am sure any shooter gamer interested in APB will find them pathetic.
There is no place for player skill at all. You want it or not player skill and team play is the core of any good shooter. Please don't use paintball comparison, because paintball has nothing to do with APB. As long you don't play it with some kind of weird rule-set, one hit in paintball means one kill.  In APB you will find yourself amazed by targets walking away with amount of bullets which would kill five people not just one. Balance between semi-automatic weapons, fully automatic rifles, SMGs, pistols and shotguns is all about: you win because you are in your optimal range when you opponent is not. I am a strongly FPS oriented player and I found that really frustrating.

Add driving mechanics )
I personally didn't have a huge problem with it, even with the fastest cars, but the problem is there and a lot of people won't like it.  

Please the don't ignore the core problem with APB by saying that the rest of my post is not worthy answering.
Answer two question: What does APB offer except character customization which can't be delivered by any AAA quality shooter / action game ? Do you really think it is worth the sub ?
I don't and that's the main reason why the game doesn't cut it for me.

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Originally posted by theinhibitor
So I recently found the complete unbuilded (meaning the code is there in plain view)  version of the game (client side of course....though a friend of mine said the chinese are working at cloning the server side haha). I was particularly interested in the customization parts and the driving. 
in all my years i have never seen more clunky coding. its as if 10 different people just randomly merged their code and came up with a mess. it reeks of poor management and for a game that was in development for 5 YEARS, im incredibly impressed at such a terrible job. Their excuses for not having a good shooting system are obvious: their character structure DOESNT ALLOW FOR IT! want me to make this clearer? they put a box around the entire character and that is the striking range....
oh and the reason the load times suck is because your comp has to download everyone else's customized shit and apply it to the models loaded in your comp.
also how does a game of this magnitude not have good weapon mechanics?
if you buy this game, you just handed your money to a bunch of lazy idiots.

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The reviews are correct. It's just a poor product.

Also... LOL @ someone using "unbuilded" and then speaking like he knows anything about code, let alone English. It's decompile, champ.

I am having a blast in this game. I guess it is because of the clan I started that has 30+ members. We are always able to group up and hit the streets.

The reviews are correct, I uninstalled this game faster than Crimecraft . The controls are terrible and the pvp lacks any real incentive. The game can be saved and I'm still keeping a rather hopeful eye on its progress but it isn't worth my money as it stands.

The reviewer must have not given the driving a chance. If he did not improve his driving over his time in beta and in retail, then he is the one at fault. Many of us started out by plowing into corners and wrecking our cars but within a week we are all pretty good at driving now. Some of us better than others. Driving is fine and it is extremely fun.

He talks about the city design. What? The city districts are awesome looking. The designs of the buildings, the layout of the city blocks, the overall beauty of it all is fascinating.

He goes on about having to press F to complete missions, how is this any different from any other MMO and some other games. What does he want? To have to press different keys for each missions? How tedious! Why is this guy even allowed to review a game? He also complains that the missions do not get more complex. The way I see it, the missions are a way to establish a reason for an APB. Sometimes an APB is not called out and thus the mission is over fast. Yes that can be boring but most of the time, I mean nearly 95% of the time, when a mission is started it ends with a gun fight in the streets against other players. That is the whole point to the game, a shooter with extra elements in it.

The one part I agree with is where he talks about the other team setting up camp at the objective. It gets very frustrating, however, we have overcome these odds in our groups. We know that running straight for the objective will get you killed, so we do what he must to overtake the enemy and then get the objective. It may not work all the time but it is fun trying. He seems to be complaining that the enemy is using a tactic. Well ... tactics work. I do agree with him that frustration is built into the game at all levels. All I can say is that if the game is too much to handle, then do not play it. Yes I have gotten frustrated and I know others have. We are in vent and we hear everything said. I have learned to accept that this game is frustrating but I cannot stop playing because it is the ultimate shooter game in my opinion.

I like the way the game is set up without hit boxes. If there were hit boxes then no one would survive longer than we do. Headshots would drive people away from this game quickly. The way it is setup allows all people who play the chance to get the kills, aim for the body and shoot. It does not matter if you hit them in the head or the finger. It works.

He must have played this game like he plays Counter-Strike or Call of Duty. It is not the same type of game. Skill is involved and getting the right weapons makes a huge difference. He couldn't hack it so he gave the game a Rating of 55. I give his review a rating of 0.

I know that my clan is having a fun time.

Originally posted by DAS1337

Originally posted by Giosync

I played in closed beta, and I enjoyed it, it honestly couldn't have gotten worse from there.

Wish you would elaborate.  I've played the last few days and I haven't run into a single bug, glitch, server crash, client crash or anything.  For the amount of detail in the maps, my rig runs fairly smoothly and it's far from a good one.  Load times aren't bad.  Installation and patching was a breeze.  The amount of customization is unrivaled in any game available on any platform.  What's wrong with the combat?  I find it very similar to GTA, and that''s a good thing.  There maybe be some unbalancing here and there, but it's not overly noticable.  Driving is quite easy after a few days of practice(it didn't take me that long).  You can solo and play in a group.  All of the missions work as intended.  There's almost no lag and no warping of characters.  The world detail is pretty damn good.  The tutorials and tooltips are excellent.  The UI is very good.  You can jump in and get action for 5 minutes or 5 hours.  You can design your own car, or clothes, tattoos, body, music and there is a pretty nice variety of weapons and upgrades as you progress through the game.  I mean really, what isn't there to like about the game?  I see people saying it's horrible and there isn't anything bad.  It's the smoothest launch I've seen for any MMO style game, even though it's not an open-world MMO.  The VOIP works great.  You can play your own death music that people can listen to when you kill them.  You can blast your own music in your car.  You can import songs from your HD to play with a built-in music player.  I'm failing to see anything that should run people off. 

 

There are a few things that they can add that would make it even better, but it's all a matter of content.  The games core is as solid as I've seen any games core systems.  A FFA zome that will put people against everyone else.  A team based map where teams fight against each other.  Gang territorial conquest maps.  Perhaps a PvE map for all the crappy players.  Expanded weapons, upgrades, equipment, clothing... etc etc etc.  Maybe some further network and client optimization, but as I said.. it runs pretty well currently.  Perhaps they could expand the player limits to 150 or so.  I'm not sure how bad this will affect the performance though.  Even then, with 100 players running around.. there's firefights all over the map. 

 

If it's not your style of game, why did you even try it?  If it's not your style of game, then say so.  Don't say the game is bad just because it's not your cup of tea.  I've been a part of quite a few game launches, and this one is by far the best launch I've seen. 

You've befuddle me kind sir, I was praising the game, not bad-mouthing it.

Originally posted by Thornrage

The reviewer must have not given the driving a chance. If he did not improve his driving over his time in beta and in retail, then he is the one at fault. Many of us started out by plowing into corners and wrecking our cars but within a week we are all pretty good at driving now. Some of us better than others. Driving is fine and it is extremely fun.

He is the one at fault? Why are you making excuses for piss poor controls? The controls suck, you admit it yourself by saying you started out by plowing into corners and wrecking cars. If the controls were good, you would never have done that.

The excuse that it takes time to get used to controls is pretty shallow. It's pretty simple to drive in APB, it's just unresponsive and poorly done. I like a lot of things about APB...but let's be honest, the driving controls...no...the controls in general are very poor.

Maybe I should have tried playing with a 360 controller...

I'm sorry you haven't learned how to drive. It makes for great chases when people have to work their brakes and pick their course according to the traffic and highways.

I drive fine now, no problems as I weave in and around traffic. What's your excuse? Having fun? I am.

Originally posted by Blindchance
*Kill blow*

 Sir,I find your eulogoy unappeleable

Here is a shovel,would you like to drop the last mound of earth before sending this game to it's eternal rest?

It reminded me of Fallen Earth, change the Mad Max scene to a City scene, remove some gameplay, add some customization.

Great game, but not worth a sub, imo. FE is.

i knew tis game gonna fail. EA games are greedy and they fail game play very offen.

This game lacks in many areas and shouldnt even be dubbed as an MMO.  The fact it has a paid sub is a joke cause its not worth $15 / month.  I can gt much better pvp entertainment(and less hacking) in othr online games that dont cost me a monthly fee.  The reviews are accurate and the game is crap IMO, deserving of its scores

do not listen to any of these idiots, this game owns!

I so wanted this game to be good and was even pretty hyped about it and pre-ordered it. But then I was so burned with the beta that dissapointed me so deeply that I canceled my pre-order. The gameplay just fell flat on it's face imo and the only thing that I really liked was the costumizing. But to buy a game just for that was not worth it. Maybe if there is a demo out so I can see if things have vastly improved in terms of gameplay etc that I will think about getting it, but untill then i'm not going to risk buying it without knowing if it will be worth it.