Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Malcanis

 

With a single stroke, Blizzard will ensure that a good porportion of their female players, as well as many from ethnic minorities and "unpopoular" nations and religions will simply leave.

Huh?

 Let's imagime I am Sammy The Stereotypical Redneck.

I see Mahmoud Ibn Rahid post on the forums. A damb dirty muslim! A heathen! A freedom-hater! And now I know who his character is too, because he's proud of his level 80 Dark-Elf Cow-Tamer or whatever.

Do you think Mahmoud is now more likely or less likely to be the receipient of Sammy's ignorant and unwelcome opinions about ay-rabs and allah than before?

Originally posted by bastionix

Originally posted by generals3

 

Change job than. I'm sorry but if that's the mentality of your co-workers your better off working in psychiatric asylum ...

The thing is, they link your WoW account to your Armory playtime, and now your name....

Thinking about skipping school / job and playing WoW? Forget it!..they will know.

Thinking about not attending that marriage / night out / interview? Forget it, thanks to the new World of Stalkerville, ppl can find out.

Sounds like a fun world being monitored by everyone, I'll pass though.

Well thats true , but than again i had the luck for almost no one i knew to play WoW (only very few) so i cba about that. But i can see how that can be annoying for others who happen to have more contacts who play WoW.

But i'm still more worried about the people with bad intentions lurking the internet , how less information these guys have about you how better

I voted  (Nay) World of Warcraft's popularity and the state of information security make this incredibly dangerous.  

After recently getting my account hacked, this can only make it easier.   There are so many reasons why this is a bad thing that it makes you wonder what idiot came up with it.   realID in game is an opt-in only.  This forum realID thing is also an opt-in only, but therein is the rub, because the only way to use the forum now is to agree to Blizzards plans to make your first and last name public.   For me this is not an issue, but for many others it can and will cause problems for them on numerous levels.   Boneheaded plan is saying it kindly, but that is what this is and I bet if we dig deep enough you'll find this is all Activisions doing.

BTW I still believe my account was hacked from the inside.   I think there are people that work for Blizzards customer support that are making money selling gold, items and characters to Gold Farming companies.   Tell me to wear a tin foil hat all you want, but to many people got there accounts hacked to easily and they never once found a trojan or keylogger on their computer - and neither did I.   It seems to happen to inactive accounts more than anyone else...I wonder why that is?   I'll tell you why.   You do the math.  $6.95 US times however many accounts adds up to almost $80 million dollars for those authenticators.   That is no poultry sum of money.   Blizzard is a corporation and with the merger of it to Activision(a money grubbing corporation for certain) then we can bet this whole autenticator business is merely a money grab.   Hack peoples accounts from within the company, generate fear and force people to buy an authenticator.

I know...tin foil hat right...right....I do not think so.

Originally posted by bastionix

Originally posted by BizkitNL

 

I'm for it, simply because I have nothing to hide.

Imagine everyone would do the same thing as Blizzard, putting your personal name online with everything you ever said / did.

Facebook, Credit card companies, Hospitals, Porn sites, Personal messages, Youtube, every forum.

You absolutely sure you have nothing to hide?

He is naive and probably young.

Regardless, I do not think this is a good idea. It should be optional of course, but it is also good to keep in mind that they do give you a choice.

Originally posted by Kraoss

Crazy people will do crazy things. It is dangerous stepping outside every day.

Walk into a bar, run your mouth off, act a fool and there will be consequences.

Don't want to risk it? Don't go to the bar. (Or Forum)

 

What, they can't take a little negative criticism? That's what it sounds like to me.

"We have been planning this change for a very long time. During this time, we have thought ahead about the scope and impact of this change and predicted that many people would no longer wish to post in the forums after this change goes live. We are fine with that, because we want to change these forums dramatically in a positive and more constructive direction."

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626460490&sid=1

omfg they have lost their mind

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by BizkitNL

I think it's great, simply by looking at the responses people have to this. Offcourse people are going to cry a river; they won't be able to forum-grief anymore while hiding behind their "p0wnzo0rz" alias.

Btw: Blizzard isn't going to magically go bankrupt over this either. Who are people trying to kid?

Not everyone who is against this is some kind of troll. The old argument "Those who fear for their privacy probably have something to hide." is hollow.

 

Blizzard may not go bankrupt, but I'm pretty sure this isn't going to just be accepted. The official forum has a thread 800+ pages long and growing, mostly containing people's disagreement with this. Don't think for a moment that every person who disagrees does so because it removes their ability to be an asshole.

Yes, and it seems that's the kind of behavior they are trying to get rid of. 

Originally posted by bastionix

"We have been planning this change for a very long time. During this time, we have thought ahead about the scope and impact of this change and predicted that many people would no longer wish to post in the forums after this change goes live. We are fine with that, because we want to change these forums dramatically in a positive and more constructive direction."

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626460490&sid=1

omfg they have lost their mind

 Hahaha this is hilarious

DRINK SOME MORE TEQUILA , BLIZZARD!

I vote for option 1. Blizzard has every right to do this....

And I have every right to never play any of their games again. Vote with your wallet.

Originally posted by Teala

I voted  (Nay) World of Warcraft's popularity and the state of information security make this incredibly dangerous.  

 

After recently getting my account hacked, this can only make it easier.   There are so many reasons why this is a bad thing that it makes you wonder what idiot came up with it.   realID in game is an opt-in only.  This forum realID thing is also an opt-in only, but therein is the rub, because the only way to use the forum now is to agree to Blizzards plans to make your first and last name public.   For me this is not an issue, but for many others it can and will cause problems for them on numerous levels.   Boneheaded plan is saying it kindly, but that is what this is and I bet if we dig deep enough you'll find this is all Activisions doing.

BTW I still believe my account was hacked from the inside.   I think there are people that work for Blizzards customer support that are making money selling gold, items and characters to Gold Farming companies.   Tell me to wear a tin foil hat all you want, but to many people got there accounts hacked to easily and they never once found a trojan or keylogger on their computer - and neither did I.   It seems to happen to inactive accounts more than anyone else...I wonder why that is?   I'll tell you why.   You do the math.  $6.95 US times however many accounts adds up to almost $80 million dollars for those authenticators.   That is no poultry sum of money.   Blizzard is a corporation and with the merger of it to Activision(a money grubbing corporation for certain) then we can bet this whole autenticator business is merely a money grab.   Hack peoples accounts from within the company, generate fear and force people to buy an authenticator.

I know...tin foil hat right...right....I do not think so.

I love tin foil hat theories. I got my own about a collaboration between Blizzard and a Gold Selling service. Now the things that made me believe that is that for some reason it was the only gold selling service who prominantly survived throughout my year of playing . (advertisements for other sites came and go , like if something drove them away and that while 1 just didn't want to leave, hmmm...) .

So ye , i actually believe you. But than again i'm a fan of tin foil hat theories (as long as there is some logic backing it up...)

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by bastionix

"We have been planning this change for a very long time. During this time, we have thought ahead about the scope and impact of this change and predicted that many people would no longer wish to post in the forums after this change goes live. We are fine with that, because we want to change these forums dramatically in a positive and more constructive direction."

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626460490&sid=1

omfg they have lost their mind

 Hahaha this is hilarious

DRINK SOME MORE TEQUILA , BLIZZARD!

I think Blizzard is just trolling right now. Either they're trolling their own players or they've gone batshit insane.

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by BizkitNL

Originally posted by Malcanis

 

With a single stroke, Blizzard will ensure that a good porportion of their female players, as well as many from ethnic minorities and "unpopoular" nations and religions will simply leave.

Huh?

 Let's imagime I am Sammy The Stereotypical Redneck.

I see Mahmoud Ibn Rahid post on the forums. A damb dirty muslim! A heathen! A freedom-hater! And now I know who his character is too, because he's proud of his level 80 Dark-Elf Cow-Tamer or whatever.

Do you think Mahmoud is now more likely or less likely to be the receipient of Sammy's ignorant and unwelcome opinions about ay-rabs and allah than before?

I reckon you ain't from aroun' these parts...What kinna name is Malcanis anyhow? Sounds like one of them terrorists to me.

So many people have such a warped, scared view of the world.

People steal ID's by swiping Credit Cards, sending out virus. Nobody is going to go through the effort to target you from a videogame forum where they ONLY get your first and last name. If somebody wanted to steal somebodies information they could open up ANY page of the phone book and get a better start.

Even if they can somehow manage to find information about you by just googling your name, what good does that do them? Are they going to stalk you, no. Are they going to do anything with that information? no.

Theives have FAR better ways to get the information they need about targets far more valuable than any of you would ever be. You use your real name every day, you show your credit card to minimum wage employee's at walmart every week, you hand your credit card to watiresses. You show your drivers license to bouncers.

People wear name tags to conventions; do they all lose thier identities, get stalked raped and die? No they dont.

People are blowing this into a rediculous situation. I personally am VERY glad that Blizzard is doing this, if not just so we can have precident on the internet of people using their real names.

You can actually find more about my personally by searching my character in WoW's name than my real name, but do I care if people can find out one picture of me from facebook and my music choices on last.fm? No I don't, because that means nothing. If anybody asked me for a picture I'd show them, if anybody asked me what music I listen to I'd say Red Hot Chili Peppers are my favourite band. People are far to paranoid, hopefully this becomes a reality check.

I posted this on my guild forum and thought it should be posted here also:

Yep, whoever thought of the RealID / Real name showing in the forums is a complete idiot and has no respect for privacy.

I would like to mention, that if this does happen I can imagine quite a few class action lawsuits coming to them. Especially, if the Real name showing is retroactive. Which in turn, shows people names that never agreed to the new TOS. Thus a class action lawsuit would win in a heartbeat.

Why? Other companies have tried this same type of stuff, but on paper instead and not the internet. However, they were dealt a blow and the lawsuits against them won.

Also, companies like AT&T have lost lawsuits because they thought they were immune with their TOS / EULA agreement. However, courts ruled that just clicking Accept for the TOS / EULA on a website / software is non legal binding. Thus, the defendant has all the right to sue and the TOS / EULA does not stand a chance in court. Because, even blizzard only uses an ACCEPT button and does not require actual Signing / Digital Signature.

I know Microsoft has their ass covered when it comes to Subscription to the Actionpack for small business. Every time you wish to resubscribe they have you digitally sign the TOS agreement. Thus, they are covered in court and the TOS is legally binding.

Even, the government for FASFA for college makes you sign with a legal binding digital signature that is connected to your social / name. Nonetheless, Blizzard does not and will get their asses handed to them in court.

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Originally posted by Metricton
I posted this on my guild forum and thought it should be posted here also:
Yep, whoever thought of the RealID / Real name showing in the forums is a complete idiot and has no respect for privacy.

I would like to mention, that if this does happen I can imagine quite a few class action lawsuits coming to them. Especially, if the Real name showing is retroactive. Which in turn, shows people names that never agreed to the new TOS. Thus a class action lawsuit would win in a heartbeat.

Why? Other companies have tried this same type of stuff, but on paper instead and not the internet. However, they were dealt a blow and the lawsuits against them won.

Also, companies like AT&T have lost lawsuits because they thought they were immune with their TOS / EULA agreement. However, courts ruled that just clicking Accept for the TOS / EULA on a website / software is non legal binding. Thus, the defendant has all the right to sue and the TOS / EULA does not stand a chance in court. Because, even blizzard only uses an ACCEPT button and does not require actual Signing / Digital Signature.

I know Microsoft has their ass covered when it comes to Subscription to the Actionpack for small business. Every time you wish to resubscribe they have you digitally sign the TOS agreement. Thus, they are covered in court and the TOS is legally binding.

Even, the government for FASFA for college makes you sign with a legal binding digital signature that is connected to your social / name. Nonetheless, Blizzard does not and will get their asses handed to them in court.

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Originally posted by Metricton

I posted this on my guild forum and thought it should be posted here also:

Yep, whoever thought of the RealID / Real name showing in the forums is a complete idiot and has no respect for privacy.

I would like to mention, that if this does happen I can imagine quite a few class action lawsuits coming to them. Especially, if the Real name showing is retroactive. Which in turn, shows people names that never agreed to the new TOS. Thus a class action lawsuit would win in a heartbeat.

Why? Other companies have tried this same type of stuff, but on paper instead and not the internet. However, they were dealt a blow and the lawsuits against them won.

Also, companies like AT&T have lost lawsuits because they thought they were immune with their TOS / EULA agreement. However, courts ruled that just clicking Accept for the TOS / EULA on a website / software is non legal binding. Thus, the defendant has all the right to sue and the TOS / EULA does not stand a chance in court. Because, even blizzard only uses an ACCEPT button and does not require actual Signing / Digital Signature.

I know Microsoft has their ass covered when it comes to Subscription to the Actionpack for small business. Every time you wish to resubscribe they have you digitally sign the TOS agreement. Thus, they are covered in court and the TOS is legally binding.

Even, the government for FASFA for college makes you sign with a legal binding digital signature that is connected to your social / name. Nonetheless, Blizzard does not and will get their asses handed to them in court.

Okay, where to start.
 First off, I think you should be careful who you call an idiot. These are professionals, guys who do this for a living. Blizzard is a huge company. Im sure they only afford the best.

Secondly, they have already said it won't be retroactive, that would be rediculous and obviously problematic.

Thirdly, your first and last name, especially for an optional video game forum is not something the courts will be interested in. The forum is completely optional; 99% of wow players probably never post even once their. If you want to post something, you may think twice before being an absolute tool.

Its totally optional. WoW forums will be a place that people who are willing to use their first and last name as an identifier can post. If you don't feel comfortable doing that, then don't. Its easy not to.

Originally posted by Munki

So many people have such a warped, scared view of the world.

People steal ID's by swiping Credit Cards, sending out virus. Nobody is going to go through the effort to target you from a videogame forum where they ONLY get your first and last name. If somebody wanted to steal somebodies information they could open up ANY page of the phone book and get a better start.

Even if they can somehow manage to find information about you by just googling your name, what good does that do them? Are they going to stalk you, no. Are they going to do anything with that information? no.

Theives have FAR better ways to get the information they need about targets far more valuable than any of you would ever be. You use your real name every day, you show your credit card to minimum wage employee's at walmart every week, you hand your credit card to watiresses. You show your drivers license to bouncers.

People wear name tags to conventions; do they all lose thier identities, get stalked raped and die? No they dont.

People are blowing this into a rediculous situation. I personally am VERY glad that Blizzard is doing this, if not just so we can have precident on the internet of people using their real names.

You can actually find more about my personally by searching my character in WoW's name than my real name, but do I care if people can find out one picture of me from facebook and my music choices on last.fm? No I don't, because that means nothing. If anybody asked me for a picture I'd show them, if anybody asked me what music I listen to I'd say Red Hot Chili Peppers are my favourite band. People are far to paranoid, hopefully this becomes a reality check.

Well, AT&T is bigger than Blizzard, and thought they had it in the bag also with all their smug lawyers, but they got their asses handed to them multiple times when it came to the TOS / EULA.

AT&T even appealed, but the courts still ruled that the TOS / EULA is non legally binding without a digital signature / signature. It actually set a precedent a year or so ago. However, for some reason people seem to forget about these cases. Even current lawyers seem to forget about these cases.

Originally posted by solarine

Originally posted by Munki

So many people have such a warped, scared view of the world.

People steal ID's by swiping Credit Cards, sending out virus. Nobody is going to go through the effort to target you from a videogame forum where they ONLY get your first and last name. If somebody wanted to steal somebodies information they could open up ANY page of the phone book and get a better start.

Even if they can somehow manage to find information about you by just googling your name, what good does that do them? Are they going to stalk you, no. Are they going to do anything with that information? no.

Theives have FAR better ways to get the information they need about targets far more valuable than any of you would ever be. You use your real name every day, you show your credit card to minimum wage employee's at walmart every week, you hand your credit card to watiresses. You show your drivers license to bouncers.

People wear name tags to conventions; do they all lose thier identities, get stalked raped and die? No they dont.

People are blowing this into a rediculous situation. I personally am VERY glad that Blizzard is doing this, if not just so we can have precident on the internet of people using their real names.

You can actually find more about my personally by searching my character in WoW's name than my real name, but do I care if people can find out one picture of me from facebook and my music choices on last.fm? No I don't, because that means nothing. If anybody asked me for a picture I'd show them, if anybody asked me what music I listen to I'd say Red Hot Chili Peppers are my favourite band. People are far to paranoid, hopefully this becomes a reality check.

 What I see on these RealID threads is far too many people who have fortunately not been on the receiving end of harassment in real life passing judgment on other people who may have grounds for their fears.

I think the internet is just sucking sympathy out of humanity instead of injecting it like we initially thought we would.

I know it's going to be shocking, but everybody playing MMOs is not like you. Some people have problems that would constitute a minority, or even unique problems. That does not mean they should be ignored. And speaking for them is asinine.

So you're an ordinary person with no worries and no need for a high level of privacy, good for you! Not everybody has to be ordinary, or part of the majority.

Salman Rushdie should be able to play a game and post on their boards in peace as well.

Come to think of it, I'm having a fun time right now imagining Salman Rushdie trolling WOW forums. :)

The issue here is that if you have some sort of bizzare security situation... Don't post on the forums.
 If you are going to make an ass of yourself and make the forums a worse place for other people, then you should have to deal with the consiquences.

What makes Salman Rushdie so special? Sure hes the only one with his name or one of 5 people. But who is going to target him. Who is going to read through the WoW forums and find a guy with a name that "seems rare" search the name, then from that information target him.

This same guy would have a MUCH easier time just going into the phonebook, finding a name, grabbing the full name address and phone number and getting off to a much better start.