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  VirusDancer

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6/21/10 5:00:06 PM#61
Originally posted by Zarcob
Originally posted by negentropy

Eve Online.

Sadly I will have to agree.  I've probably asked more than my share of stupid questions in games but I've never gotten anywhere near the acidic responses I have from Eve, or seen the same responses for others.  The smallest things usually get the average newbie lambasted with a generous helping of "go back to WoW" retorts as the nicest responses.  I'm also no stranger to reading nerd rage after getting ganked, but I typically expect that type of childish arguing in an FPS title or on XBox live, it's destructive to read so much of the vitrol in public channels.

 

I'm fairly sure anyone left in the game that isn't a total a** long ago stopped reading local chat in favor of just scanning it for pirates.  That, or they carefully avoid the newbie regions - and apparently for good reason.

Hrmm, I lost patience answering stupid questions in EVE years ago.  I lost patience wth other people answering stupid questions in EVE not long after that.

Perhaps it is because of how the game was when I started.  You could not make the craptastic character I had when I started if you tried now.  You did not land on gates while warping.  Things were slower.  Perhaps with that, I had more time and I put that time to good use.  I read through descriptions in the market (descriptions that are better now).  I paid attention in Rookie Help for those first 30 days that I was in there to what other people were asking so I did not ask the same questions.  When I got into regular Help, I did the same thing.  I tried to figure out things on my own.  I put in some effort.

There were not the tutorials they have today - not the great beginning experience that CCP offers compared to so many other games.

So yeah, when somebody asks a question that would have been answered had they done the tutorials - they are going to be asked if they did the tutorials.  They will say no.  They will be told to go do them - becasue so many of their questions will be answered there.  If they ask a question that could be answered by looking at the market and doing a little reading, they will be told to do so - cause knowledge is power.

EVE is not some cupcake game where you should expect everything to be handed to you.  Players offer a lot of help, and a lot of new people bitch about that help - cause it is not being handed to them on a silver platter.  The number of players that ask how to do something - that are asked if they have right clicked - and they say no... you know?  Screw them, if they are going to put in zero effort - literally, screw them - let them go back to WoW - go play Maple Story - or just sit in front of the TV to watch Spongebob - cause EVE is going to be too hard for them.

There are plenty of questions that are not answered by the tutorials, the market, etc... and for many of them, guess what - somebody has put a guide out there somewhere - so they will be directed to that guide.  The players you want to stay in the game say thanks and go read it - when somebody else asks - they direct them to the same guide.

The players that cry about it...screw them....

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  VirusDancer

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Heroes are about character - not gear.

6/21/10 5:02:31 PM#62
Originally posted by junzo316
Originally posted by VirusDancer
PvE games have no communities.

I would have to disagree with this statement.  It may be true for some games, but not LotRO and CoH.  Both have very helpful communities.  The communites of both of these games is one reason why I have stayed with the games for long periods of time.  (CoH = 4 years, LotRO = 1 1/2 years)

I quit CoH because most of the zones were empty on the typically crowded servers while trying to level a toon.  Yet you could almost always find folks standing around for some random costume contest, because they were bored with nothing else to do.  Even the AE folks dried up.

CoH...I remember all but fighting over trying to do the arrest x of y missions...lol, now you can hear a pin drop.

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%

  User Deleted
6/21/10 5:12:05 PM#63
Originally posted by VirusDancer
Originally posted by Zarcob
Originally posted by negentropy

Eve Online.

Sadly I will have to agree.  I've probably asked more than my share of stupid questions in games but I've never gotten anywhere near the acidic responses I have from Eve, or seen the same responses for others.  The smallest things usually get the average newbie lambasted with a generous helping of "go back to WoW" retorts as the nicest responses.  I'm also no stranger to reading nerd rage after getting ganked, but I typically expect that type of childish arguing in an FPS title or on XBox live, it's destructive to read so much of the vitrol in public channels.

 

I'm fairly sure anyone left in the game that isn't a total a** long ago stopped reading local chat in favor of just scanning it for pirates.  That, or they carefully avoid the newbie regions - and apparently for good reason.

Hrmm, I lost patience answering stupid questions in EVE years ago.  I lost patience wth other people answering stupid questions in EVE not long after that.

Perhaps it is because of how the game was when I started.  You could not make the craptastic character I had when I started if you tried now.  You did not land on gates while warping.  Things were slower.  Perhaps with that, I had more time and I put that time to good use.  I read through descriptions in the market (descriptions that are better now).  I paid attention in Rookie Help for those first 30 days that I was in there to what other people were asking so I did not ask the same questions.  When I got into regular Help, I did the same thing.  I tried to figure out things on my own.  I put in some effort.

There were not the tutorials they have today - not the great beginning experience that CCP offers compared to so many other games.

So yeah, when somebody asks a question that would have been answered had they done the tutorials - they are going to be asked if they did the tutorials.  They will say no.  They will be told to go do them - becasue so many of their questions will be answered there.  If they ask a question that could be answered by looking at the market and doing a little reading, they will be told to do so - cause knowledge is power.

EVE is not some cupcake game where you should expect everything to be handed to you.  Players offer a lot of help, and a lot of new people bitch about that help - cause it is not being handed to them on a silver platter.  The number of players that ask how to do something - that are asked if they have right clicked - and they say no... you know?  Screw them, if they are going to put in zero effort - literally, screw them - let them go back to WoW - go play Maple Story - or just sit in front of the TV to watch Spongebob - cause EVE is going to be too hard for them.

There are plenty of questions that are not answered by the tutorials, the market, etc... and for many of them, guess what - somebody has put a guide out there somewhere - so they will be directed to that guide.  The players you want to stay in the game say thanks and go read it - when somebody else asks - they direct them to the same guide.

The players that cry about it...screw them....

And you, sir, are the exact reason people don't like the Eve community (if you can call it that).

  lectrocuda

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6/21/10 5:16:14 PM#64

AoC PvP server   

To the caterpillar it is the end of the world, to the master, it is a butterfly.

  VirusDancer

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Posts: 3684

Heroes are about character - not gear.

6/21/10 5:18:09 PM#65
Originally posted by negentropy
 

And you, sir, are the exact reason people don't like the Eve community (if you can call it that).

If a person puts in the least bit of effort in EVE, they will find more people than they could dream of that are willing to help them.

If they are lazy, stupid, do not give a rat's ass... well, how exactly is that a loss to the EVE community if they leave?

Everything that I said, was helpful.  Have a question that can be answered by the tutorials?  Do the tutorials.  Have a questiont hat can be answered by looking at the market?  Look at the market.  Suggesting that folks spend their spare time watching what is being said in Help is a bad thing?  Not sure how to do something that can be done by right-clicking?  Try right-clicking.  Asking something that somebody has taken a lot of time to write out a guide for to answer?  Check out the guide.  Have something else not answered by any of that?  Ask away...

So...where exactly is that not helpful?

Do you see how you and others that complain about the EVE community...uh...look?

Go play WoW...

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  junzo316

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Posts: 1690

6/21/10 5:25:44 PM#66
Originally posted by VirusDancer
 

If a person puts in the least bit of effort in EVE, they will find more people than they could dream of that are willing to help them.

If they are lazy, stupid, do not give a rat's ass... well, how exactly is that a loss to the EVE community if they leave?

Replace every Eve with CoH, and you have my retort to your response.  When I was playing, I never had a hard time finding a group in zones (til the AE, that's why I left) .  So, my original assertion that PvE communities exist (and I think are way better than pvp communities) still stands.

  VirusDancer

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Heroes are about character - not gear.

6/21/10 5:32:36 PM#67
Originally posted by junzo316
 

Replace every Eve with CoH, and you have my retort to your response.  When I was playing, I never had a hard time finding a group in zones (til the AE, that's why I left) .  So, my original assertion that PvE communities exist (and I think are way better than pvp communities) still stands.

With your stating that you quit with AE because of having a hard time finding a group in zones... how was I wrong about the PvE game not having a community - in this case, CoH?

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%

  Hedeon

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6/21/10 5:55:06 PM#68
Originally posted by VirusDancer
Originally posted by SaintViktor

Blizzard's new unannounced mmo will be the worst.

No way, Cryptic's new unannounced mmo will be the worst.

edit:  Because like WoW, Blizzard's new unannounced mmo will have no community.

heh actually no, Ive seen plenty come with this comment go along the lines,   I ll never leave WoW or when I do it will be for Blizzard´s next MMO

so yes...unannounced MMOs can have a fanbase, then there is super secret upcoming(unannounced games like World of darkness.

  parrotpholk

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Posts: 3317

6/21/10 5:58:00 PM#69

I think Aion may qualify as a horrible community. I disagree with the EVE and DF votes as I never had a problem in either.

  junzo316

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Joined: 2/19/07
Posts: 1690

6/21/10 5:58:26 PM#70
Originally posted by VirusDancer
Originally posted by junzo316
 

Replace every Eve with CoH, and you have my retort to your response.  When I was playing, I never had a hard time finding a group in zones (til the AE, that's why I left) .  So, my original assertion that PvE communities exist (and I think are way better than pvp communities) still stands.

With your stating that you quit with AE because of having a hard time finding a group in zones... how was I wrong about the PvE game not having a community - in this case, CoH?

You kind of answered your own question.  I played before the AE.  There was a community.  Which proves the statement that PvE games have no community wrong.  I'm sure with the upcoming expansion and the "newness" of AE worn off, that the community is still there. 

 

My main point is that your statement (below) could be held true to any game (with a fairly good pop) not just eve.  Becareful with your response, your prejudice is starting to show through your responses.  =)

 

"If a person puts in the least bit of effort in EVE, they will find more people than they could dream of that are willing to help them.

If they are lazy, stupid, do not give a rat's ass... well, how exactly is that a loss to the EVE community if they leave?"

 

 

  just1opinion

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6/21/10 6:02:59 PM#71
Originally posted by negentropy
Originally posted by elocke

 

 

Age of Conan, worst chat ever.
Followed by Darkfall Online.
Followed by Warhammer Online.

hmm, notice the trend here? PVP centric games....

Yes, PvP-centric games seem to be cesspools for social misfits, don't they.

 

I concur.

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  User Deleted
6/21/10 6:21:27 PM#72

Age of Conan and Warhammer Online also the Darkfall community transformed into something pretty bad since last patch.

  User Deleted
6/21/10 6:23:33 PM#73
Originally posted by DerWotan

Age of Conan and Warhammer Online also the Darkfall community transformed into something pretty bad since last patch.

 

At least in AoC and DF you can kill those that offend you!

 

And in DF's case, take their lootz  /flex!

  VirusDancer

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Heroes are about character - not gear.

6/21/10 6:30:39 PM#74
Originally posted by junzo316
 

You kind of answered your own question.  I played before the AE.  There was a community.  Which proves the statement that PvE games have no community wrong.  I'm sure with the upcoming expansion and the "newness" of AE worn off, that the community is still there. 

 My main point is that your statement (below) could be held true to any game (with a fairly good pop) not just eve.  Becareful with your response, your prejudice is starting to show through your responses.  =)

 "If a person puts in the least bit of effort in EVE, they will find more people than they could dream of that are willing to help them.

If they are lazy, stupid, do not give a rat's ass... well, how exactly is that a loss to the EVE community if they leave?"

 

I was not arguing that CoH never had a community nor that PvE games never had a community.  Heck, I did beta with CoH - preordered from CUSA - and enjoyed the game until they deployed /boombox and suddenly the game became about standing around and dancing instead of doing anything.  I figured that would wear off, and it did.  CoH is one of the games in my rotation that I generally sub to for a month or two each year.

It was more a case of stating that as game's stand today, there is very little community in PvE games - none in some.  There may be cliques running around, but that is not community.

Also, but not to put too fine a point on it... but you do realize what you have said about yourself with your statements and what you have quoted that I said...eh?

My prejudice?  My prejudice was that PvP games have bad communities, PvE games have no communities, P2P games have players that do not want to be bothered by anybody else (which translates into PvP games having bad communities and PvE games having no communities), and F2P games have communities one probably does not want to be bothered with...

The only prejudice there might be with the Fool2Play games...but generally speaking, aside from games that converted from P2P to F2P... F2P games tend to attract pretty bad communities.

I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?

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  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

6/21/10 6:31:41 PM#75

I am going out in left field with SRO.The reason is rather simple,it is because when botters and cheats started to take over the game,rather than leave the game to show the developer you mean business,they ALL turned to botting and cheating,it became an accepted stance in the game.For that reason i left because i knew it had no hope at all,when you cannot even get the players on the right page.

A VERY close second is the community in CODMW ,full of cheats and kids begging,praising the cheats because they thought it was something brilliant to be able to cheat or create your own cheat.

The BEST community will always be in games where cheating means less or is totally out of the design.

 

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  Salvatoris

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6/21/10 6:36:23 PM#76

Eve... for sure.   I agree with the poster who said as bad as they are in-game, they are even worse in forums.

  Zarcob

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6/21/10 6:53:23 PM#77
Originally posted by VirusDancer

If a person puts in the least bit of effort in EVE, they will find more people than they could dream of that are willing to help them.

If they are lazy, stupid, do not give a rat's ass... well, how exactly is that a loss to the EVE community if they leave?

Everything that I said, was helpful.  Have a question that can be answered by the tutorials?  Do the tutorials.  Have a questiont hat can be answered by looking at the market?  Look at the market.  Suggesting that folks spend their spare time watching what is being said in Help is a bad thing?  Not sure how to do something that can be done by right-clicking?  Try right-clicking.  Asking something that somebody has taken a lot of time to write out a guide for to answer?  Check out the guide.  Have something else not answered by any of that?  Ask away...

So...where exactly is that not helpful?

Do you see how you and others that complain about the EVE community...uh...look?

Go play WoW...


Maybe they'd just rather make a friend by asking in chat?

 

I suppose I'm being too hard on Eve, because I know exactly what prompts your type of "go find it out for yourself" response.  It's not because Eve fills some "hard-line" niche game market and it's not because the new player is lazy / stupid / republican or any other categorization (although I'm certain the mere thought might annoy you as well).  The issue is that you get tired of seeing the same damn questions day in and day out in chat.

 

I'd say it's really about veteran gamers investing ridiculous amounts of time into a game and losing tolerance for simple things.   They remove the individual and all newbies become the same faceless mass of nonsense and repetitive stupidity.  Honestly, would anyone in their right mind tell someone to "Use the damn phonebook noob" if they were stopped on the street and asked directions?  Of course not, because it's harder to dehumanize someone looking right at you and it's unlikely you'll be tired of getting asked that same question unless you work as a toll booth collector.

 

So if that explains the behavior, why do I think I'm being too easy on Eve?  Well, this will blow your mind but, I've seen the same exact responses in every MMO I've played where players invest hundreds of days of played time to master every aspect of the content.  Veteran players just get bored and tired of the reptition of human interaction - a mystifying stance given their addiction to an MMO.  It's a sad state of affairs and happens most often with the older games, but I suppose it doesn't really reveal anything specific about Eve's community as much as it does Eve's age.

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  VirusDancer

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6/21/10 7:07:38 PM#78
Originally posted by Zarcob
 


Maybe they'd just rather make a friend by asking in chat?

 I suppose I'm being too hard on Eve, because I know exactly what prompts your type of "go find it out for yourself" response.  It's not because Eve fills some "hard-line" niche game market and it's not because the new player is lazy / stupid / republican or any other categorization (although I'm certain the mere thought might annoy you as well).  The issue is that you get tired of seeing the same damn questions day in and day out in chat.

 I'd say it's really about veteran gamers investing ridiculous amounts of time into a game and losing tolerance for simple things.   They remove the individual and all newbies become the same faceless mass of nonsense and repetitive stupidity.  Honestly, would anyone in their right mind tell someone to "Use the damn phonebook noob" if they were stopped on the street and asked directions?  Of course not, because it's harder to dehumanize someone looking right at you and it's unlikely you'll be tired of getting asked that same question unless you work as a toll booth collector.

 So if that explains the behavior, why do I think I'm being too easy on Eve?  Well, this will blow your mind but, I've seen the same exact responses in every MMO I've played where players invest hundreds of days of played time to master every aspect of the content.  Veteran players just get bored and tired of the reptition of human interaction - a mystifying stance given their addiction to an MMO.  It's a sad state of affairs and happens most often with the older games, but I suppose it doesn't really reveal anything specific about Eve's community as much as it does Eve's age.

To an extent, it is about the same questions being asked over and over again - CCP having invested time and effort to make the answers to those questions available - yet people do not want to bother.

My statements very short versions of what would normally take place, but it is true that it will wear on you.  Usually at that point, you either leave Help or you find that you have developed blinders to it.

JoeBuckRodgers:  Hey, I've got a question.

Veteran:  Go ahead and ask.

JorgeJetson:  Hey, I've got a question.

JoeBuckRodgers:  How do I mine...?

Veteran:  JBR, have you run the tutorial for that?  It provides a great answer to your question, provides you with some good starting stuff to get you going, and will probably answer questions you have not even thought about yet.

JoeBuckRodgers:  Oh, cool.  Thanks.

Veteran:  No problem.  If you have any questions after that, go ahead and ask.  There are some good guides we can point you to on mining as well.  Fly safe.

JorgeJetson:  Is this the Help channel?  I've got a question.

Veteran:  Yes, Jorge.  Go ahead and ask.

JorgeJetson:  How do I mine...?

JorgeJetson:  Anybody there?  I've got a question.

Veteran:  Jorge, scroll up, I just answered that for JBR.

JorgeJetson:  Is this the Help channel?  How do I mine?

Oh, if only that were not so true I might laugh about it...

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  AgtSmith

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6/21/10 7:28:13 PM#79
Originally posted by negentropy
Originally posted by elocke

 

 

Age of Conan, worst chat ever.
Followed by Darkfall Online.
Followed by Warhammer Online.

hmm, notice the trend here? PVP centric games....

Yes, PvP-centric games seem to be cesspools for social misfits, don't they.

Agree on AoC - agree on it being par for the PvP centric MMO course, seemingly.  I used to dig PvP back in SWG way back when, but anymore it seems MMO PvP is just about a bunch of l33t kiddies who want their level and gear to ensure they can trash talk without any real skill (such being the case in MMOs where so much is about level/gear and less about player actions).

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6/21/10 7:36:08 PM#80
Originally posted by Comnitus
Originally posted by Qazz

EVE.  There are far  too many EVE that have no tolerance for new players.  CCP is trying to change this, but they are getting ripped for being 'carebears'.  You even sneeze next to the wrong asteroid, you and your corporation are toast.  The game is fantastic, but it breeds the kind of player that would burn down your house and laugh at your screaming children.

First part (red) - nope.

Middle part (yellow) - possible.

Last part (green) - yup.

Your first response (orange) - Uh, yep. I said TOO MANY, I didn't say ALL. 

Your second response (lavendar) - agreed.

Last part (teal) - agreed.

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