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Originally posted by Fadeus

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Originally posted by Egomancer
And here ends the freedom of speech...

I just have been noted that my post on page 26 has been deleted because one of the mods felt insulted by my comments :).

I am just curious if the mod is a payed employee or just a teenager that voluteered to that position. I find his position childish because all that I did was to express an oppinion. Maybe he did not like it but I strongly believe that the post shouldn't have been deleted.

First we have been accused that we hate mmorpg.com, we defended ourselves, they deleted the game entirely from the site and now started to delete the posts. While I am aware that this site and forum is property of Cyber Creations Inc, they should at least pretend to be professional. I am sorry that I need to say that, but personally I feel disapointed by the whole attitude some of Cyber Creations staff.

On the Mourning section of the forums there were posts that:

Transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content. (First point)

and they did NOT get deleted by the mods.

But my post on this forum has been considered defamatory to the mmorpg.com staff even if I did not use any vulgar term or I did not post any 'objectionable content'. It all depends from where you look at the matter: Mourning was my game so they did not have any issue regarding the fact that my game has been trashed for weeks (there was a lot of 'objectionable content' there) and THE MMORPG.COM RULES OF CONDUCT HAVE NOT BEEN APPLIED while 8h after I posted a message stating that they did not do their job properly my message is deleted.

Have a nice day :).

Andrei Gireada

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So now you have resorted to insulting the mods here? VERY professional of you, thats going to get you real far in your feild and get you a TON of respect with other gaming sites. And for the last time PLEASE get your lies in order. Either yourself and Tiamat DID ask to be removed from here or Craig deleted you, WHICH is it for the last time? Your current statement suggests that Tiamat has lied in his post on the Mourning official forum.

I truly do hope you keep going on here in this thread, it just means more people get to witness your lack of professionalism. Everytime you speak publically here you do yourself a disservice, you are your own worst enemy, good job.

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Just like the above member posted I too am speechless as to the continual comments attacking the MMORPG.com staff and site that are posted here by Egomancer. It's even more surprising seeing that he has been warned about this twice and still persists with "smart ass" comments.

Also once again, no one asked MMORPG.com to remove the Mourning forums. They did comment in a reply accepting the removal, however that had no impact at all on any decision that was made by Craig in the process of removing the forums.

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Originally posted by ParaTrooper

Just like the above member posted I too am speechless as to the continual comments attacking the MMORPG.com staff and site that are posted here by Egomancer. It's even more surprising seeing that he has been warned about this twice and still persists with "smart ass" comments.Also once again, no one asked MMORPG.com to remove the Mourning forums. They did comment in a reply accepting the removal, however that had no impact at all on any decision that was made by Craig in the process of removing the forums.

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Thank you.

"It's even more surprising seeing that he has been warned about this twice and still persists with "smart ass" comments"

So are you guys hypocrits now too? Because theres loads of "smart ass" comments and straight out vulgarity in this thread made by your members that havent been edited or removed.

 

Wow such drama. I'll admit I'm the lurker type and rarely post here(although I've been visiting mmorpg.com for some time now).

To be honest I know absolutely nothing about Mourning. I've never once even looked into what the game is all about. It simply never caught my attention because I'm happily playing wow atm.

That said though I see some good and bad about this drama.

The Good: If it is true that some nasty emails were exchanged then I do understand mmorpg's reasons for wanting to remove Mourning from their site. Beyond that I don't think there is much "good" that come out of this whole situation.

The Bad: I can see how this could also backfire. What about the fan that discovers this site say 6 months down the road and asks "Why isn't there any Mourning coverage here?". I would say that new people to the site will more than likely look with suspicion upon this, especially when they see every other mmo know to man listed in the gamelist.

To the Mourning staff: From what little I have read here in this very thread I have to say I'm very appauled at your work ethic. If I behaved the way you did towards any potential customers I would quickly go out of business(I can't say I'd be fired because I run my own business). I think I do understand your zest to not have people spreading false information about your game but YOU CAN'T CENSOR the internet. Besides, does anyone really listen to the trollings of obvious trouble makers. If I listened to what other posters said on this or any other board I would never play any game EVER. There isn't a game out there that does not have hundreds of people who will do nothing but post false information about the game they hate. "Most" people are smart enough to realize that not everything posted on message boards is true or worthy of your attention. Once again I think I do really understand your reasons for wanting to moderate every fansite out there but honestly your going down a road where you can't win. The more you try to control opinions of your game the more your going to attract the trolls who love this sort of thing. I think you have grossly over-estimated the power message boards have on potential customers. If you have a solid game your fanbase will deal with misinformation for you.

Finally, when its all said and done I think I would actually prefer mmorpg.com to relist their information about Mourning as purely information about the game. I wouldn't recommend them opening a specific forum for Mourning but I do think that at the very least you should list the basic game information so that you do maintain a reputation for listing pretty much every game known. Once you remove one game from your list it becomes more likely in the future that other games will also get removed and it also gives a negative perspective about your bias. I would relist the information about Mourning and be done with it.(Stay away from any opinions or opening a forum though so that you are safe from any stupid legal action Mourning may try, theres nothing illegal about listing their product though using a feature list right from their own website) Doing this I think it sends a strong message to the community that even though you are mistreated by the Mourning staff that you are the ones that can be professional about it.

To the staff of mmorpg I would strongly urge you to reconsider the pros and cons of your decision. Personally my opinion is that it says alot more about you if you were to relist Mourning as information only than to continue on your present course of action. Either way though I will still lurk around this site.

/lurker stealth mode re-activated

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Originally posted by Sorrow

Originally posted by Fadeus

You need to get a clue. Admin made clear the reasons for his choice. And that was The Mourning staff's big mouth and lack of respect for MMORPG.com. Keep running your mouth with whatever spin you wanna try to put on this with that sales attempt. You couldn't bother coming here and talking about the game BEFORE it happenned, we sure don't need you running your comspiracy theories AFTER here.

The problem with your argument is, is that the jerks posting here posing as mourning devs and admins are imposters, the people sending email to MMORPG representing themselves as devs and admins for mourning are imposters.
When the real devs, admins, members of the mourning community complained to the MMORPG staff about the imposters from this board posing as us in posts, emails, ect. The MMORPG staff did nothing about it. They asked us to provide photo ID we were the people we were registered as.
Now I ask you, how are we suppose to do that? Do you think my photo ID says JulieBlue on it? Do you think Tiamat's says Tiamat on it? Tiamat tried multiple times to calmly and professionally contact MMORPG about these issues that were taking place on this forum, that were creating havoc on his forum's and MMORPG chose to ignore him, once he gets angry about it and decides to lose his temper, just like the rest of us here have done, they suddenly they decide to stop ignoring him.
The decision MMORPG made was to side with thier community, perfectly acceptable response, IF thier community wasn't the ones starting all this crap in the first place.
ALL of this has taken place because an obnoxious nasty violent PK'er guild from SB, heard about Mounring on MMORPG, came to the Mourning community began thier usual forum terroist tactics they used over in SB forums for years.
Cussing.
Making threats of destroying the game.
Making threats against long term community members.
Claiming they were going to be griefers.
Posting death and dismemberment, and scat photos.
The Volunteer Moderators, attepted to make a stand, they edited posts , they locked threads, they 3-day suspended accounts. The harder they tried to stop it, the more pissed this PK guild became and the more violent and outrageous thier posts became.
The Mounring Devs stepped in and simply said READ THE RULES.
The behavior continued
Again the Devs said READ THE RULES
The behavior got worse, nasty posts were made calling the Devs alot of nasty things, but worse of all calling them Nazi's. What children in the US overlook here is calling people in Europe Nazi is the worst kind of insult. These people are the children of people who lived the horror of what the Nazi's did, these people live with constant reminders, and until very recently these people in Romania didnt have the freedom in thier lives, that these children in the US take foregranted.
At this point the Devs got pissed, was it professional for a gaming staff to get angry, post angry, and act in anger? NO
Was it human to get angry? VERY MUCH SO
Was it right for a Dev to do a sweeping 3 day ban for anyone who had WTF in thier post? NO
Was it done in anger and frustration? VERY MUCH SO
ALL of this has been human nature.
I guess the big argument here is, should game developers be above human nature?
Should gaming companies be more professional?
In all honesty I have to say yes. Knowing what I know, I could have written a review that drove the last nail in Mourning's coffin. But, I chose to make a choice, and I've chose to make a stand.
It's not about the people, the personalality conflicts, the forum wars, ect.
It's ONLY about the GAME.
Ultimately, my problem with MMORPG, is that they CLAIM they are about the GAMES.
However the decision they have made is about the human nature, not about the game.

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There are 2 neat little fields in your profile called First Name and Last Name. And ofcourse they are not going to just delete the accounts because of your claims of an imposter, you hold no rights to the registered "username". The BS posts by the imposters have nothing to do with this arguement since NO one here beleived them, I even posted to you directly about them in regard to not to worry about it.

ONE however was legit, and Egomancer has comfirmed it, that was his threats and attempts to gain person user information in an attempt to form a lawsuit against a user here. That is the ONLY staff post here from the Mourning staff that I have ever seen that was taken seriously.

The rest of what your talking about has NOTHING to do with this. The few idiots that were flaming mourning here were dismissed by any sensible member here and life went on. I can't help Mournings problems with its virtual enemys and don't expect a fan site to have to monitor their messes either.

I have already stated what my beleifs and standing is about the due process of news and game updates here, and if I am correct they had every reason to remove them. If there is no communication between the development house and MMORPG.com then there can be no news, or anything of the likes here because they heavily rely on the developer to provide that information. I beleive you have misconceptions about this site.

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Originally posted by Admin

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Originally posted by Herithius

Not sure I understand the move 100%.

I thought this was a site dedicated to covering mmo games. All mmo games. Not just the ones you personally like or don't like for whatever reason.

Will just confuse people in the weeks ahead why it won't be here.

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Well, this site did a lot to help the Mourning community.  We covered their news, highlighted their new screens on our home page, and gave them links to their site. 

In return we received nothing but complaints and insults from their official staff.  Furthermore we don't have a good feeling about this company (and apparently they share this feeling about us).

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Originally posted by Sorrow
Once again the people posting here as Tiamat, Egomancer, JulieBlue are Imposters, just people trying to stir up more crap. Please stop using thier posts as grounds for your arguments.

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*laughing* whatever.

Egomancer is the only one that has posted to this thread, nice try though.

"theres nothing illegal about listing their product though using a feature list right from their own website"

No there aint but hosting written text saying that a company is involved in some kind of credit card fraud and not doing anything to stop it IS.. whats so hard about moderating your own forums and telling people not to post up ilegal stuff like that? and thats why it was al lremoved.. cause they KNOW they were in the wrong and had to get out b4 they got sued.

wake up mmorpg.com

I'd like to see what IGN , gamespy, gamespot, fileplanet would have done if someone was posting stuff like that. It would have been removed and banned with the quickness because thats the professional thing to do. But by ignoring complaints about it they were just SUPPORTING it here.

I got no problem with people standing up for themselves after being attacked for no reasons which is exactly the case here..

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Originally posted by Rikimaru_X

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Herithius
Not sure I understand the move 100%.
I thought this was a site dedicated to covering mmo games. All mmo games. Not just the ones you personally like or don't like for whatever reason.
Will just confuse people in the weeks ahead why it won't be here.

Well, this site did a lot to help the Mourning community. We covered their news, highlighted their new screens on our home page, and gave them links to their site.
In return we received nothing but complaints and insults from their official staff. Furthermore we don't have a good feeling about this company (and apparently they share this feeling about us).

Well, there is nothing wrong with that. It is good that your not going to help the company with Mourning if all you received is complaints and insults. They should be thanking MMORPG.com.

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Considering the comments they are freely making on the official Mourning website you would think they would be throwing a party and putting mmorpg.com on all their block lists since they were removed so they never ever have to deal with this place again. Instead they come here to complain about it.

EDIT: And then they claim it was an imposter that said it and we shouldnt take it seriously!

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Originally posted by shulz

So are you guys hypocrits now too? Because theres loads of "smart ass" comments and straight out vulgarity in this thread made by your members that havent been edited or removed.

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Indeed, well done MMORPG.com.  I've been following Mourning only for a short time now, and what I saw of the design impressed me.  Something, I do not know whether it was in the design of the website, or the animosity of the forums, put me off.

The company designing Mourning, and more specifically this Dave character do not strike me as altogether... honest, shall we say?  I'm not one to ascribe to so-called conspiracy theories, but it seems altogether possible that this is a scam.  I've heard some nasty rumors, and I don't like the way things are looking.

I'm sure that we do not know the full story.  We may never know, but that suits me fine.  I trust MMORPG has made a sound decision in this case, and I do not feel as if they are doing this to be snooty or arrogant.  The mods here have been nothing if fair and decisive, and  I trust their judgement.  Afterall, its not like they're just banning Mourning outright, in secret without letting anyone know.  They came forward claiming that they did not like the way interaction between them and the other company was going and made it clear that this was in no way malicious.

In effect, MMORPG.com is stepping up and doing what they felt was right.  I don't think any of us can stand up and say this is wrong, because few of us have all the facts.  Without these crucial pieces of information we must give MMO the benefit of the doubt.

Cheers,

Gray Shadow

"In return we received nothing but complaints and insults from their official staff. "

considering how this place is run and the stuff it promotes I would take anything that comes out of your mouths with a heaping grain of salt.

any place that actively goes to bed with another company that is breaking laws is not to be trusted anyhow. l8ter

Slow deep breaths

Ok folks this has grown way out of hand, this thread has become a beast and taken on a life of its own. Its been an emotional rollercoaster for most of us on both sides of this issue.

Rumors and unfounded accusations are running thicker than air in here, on both sides.

It really just goes to show how passionate gamers, and even game devleopers really are.

This thread really shoulda never been allowed to go this far, I have no problem with most of the people who have posted to this thread, and only minor issues with MMORPG as a whole.

At this point Im just going to say Im sorry if anything I posted in anger or emotionally has hurt or upset anyone.

Now Im just going to lay down my sword and walk away.

Peace

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Originally posted by Sorrow

Now Im just going to lay down my sword and walk away.

Peace

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You really make some strange comments........

Anyway. Egomancer is comformed as real, please go to the "Black Hole" Section you will find a post there conforming this is indeed him. Again, Im not sure most of you understand how wrong it is to request people personal information without court order(one that would never come). It was threating and a baseless lawsuit.

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Originally posted by firemagic
Bah. Now I have to look elsewhere on the net to watch Mourning's slow, reluctant demise.

When I saw the subject of this thread I honestly thought the game had gone the same way as Wish, but it's still only a matter of time.

I'd like to personally thank David Jasinski for being the most unintentionally funny guy in the MMO business.

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FINALLY I beleive we agree on something! I don' t know how I missed this the first 3 times through here.

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Originally posted by shulz

"In return we received nothing but complaints and insults from their official staff. "

considering how this place is run and the stuff it promotes I would take anything that comes out of your mouths with a heaping grain of salt.

any place that actively goes to bed with another company that is breaking laws is not to be trusted anyhow. l8ter

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You keep harping on this whole legality issue.  I am not so sure anything said in the forums regarding Mourning could be held up in a court of law as being "illegal".  Someone ranted...if you want to label it libel, go ahead..but that definition has no legs in regards to this issue.

If you would like to see what Gamespy would do, I suggest following this link: http://www.forumplanet.com/gamespy/topic.asp?fid=1422&tid=1622606

Under your definition, this could be considered libel.  This kind of thing happens everyday, on thousands of different forums across the world.  It's called opinionated ranting.   To be a professional game developer, you have to learn to ignore it.   Your product should speak for itself.

I seldom came to this site for news anyway. I know of sites better for general online gaming info. than this one.
I've been a beta tester for Mourning from the beginning and really could care less about the personalities that make the game. What is important is the game itself. An artist is remembered not by who he was, but what he created. So lets stop wasting time on malicious forum threads and save our energy for making an innovative mmorpg. If all the ranters on forums threads directed their energies toward suggesting original ideas to put into a mmorpg, maybe the industry would have more variety than it does now.

-yates 'yellowrat' bast

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Originally posted by Yellowrat
I seldom came to this site for news anyway. I know of sites better for general online gaming info. than this one.
I've been a beta tester for Mourning from the beginning and really could care less about the personalities that make the game. What is important is the game itself. An artist is remembered not by who he was, but what he created. So lets stop wasting time on malicious forum threads and save our energy for making an innovative mmorpg. If all the ranters on forums threads directed their energies toward suggesting original ideas to put into a mmorpg, maybe the industry would have more variety than it does now.

-yates 'yellowrat' bast

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A game is only as good as the staff backing it. The game could be the greatest thing since wonder bread but if the staff is horrible the game will never survive.

Well i think this was a stupid move by this site considering Mourning has more reasons to PvP then any other
mmo ive ever seen.