Awhile back i was inquiring about a video card. Im running  two 8800 gt 512 in sli. I wanted to buy a 260 ot 275 at one time but everyone told me to wait till the 400's come out. Now they are out and they are telling me to wait till the 480 card goes down in price cause the 465 is no good.. Yeeeesh... Is the 465 better than my 2 8800 gt in sli?

need some help here. just seems to be a waiting cycle and next thing you know ill have my 8800 gt 512 in sli waiting for the new 5 million cards to come out LOL

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That''s how it always is with video cards.

is the 465 better than the 2 x  8800 gt in sli?

I think the world was shocked with how bad the GTX480 turned out.  As a result ATI increased their prices instead of decreasing them seeing how their competition sucked.  So now its a waiting game again until the release of the HD6xxx series in Q3/Q4 2010.  Remember 1 card is better then 2 unless a game is designed to use more then 1 which none really are at this point in time.  Even getting a gain from SLI is more the exception then the rule.  However, adopting the GTX465 or GTX470 is not a wise decision at this point since they are not well designed.  You are better off with a similarly priced or slightly cheaper ATI card.

Hey, I haven't found a benchmark that directly comparss the two cards, but check out this rought chart. It doesn't look like you'd be gaining that much.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-geforce-radeon,2646-7.html

Read the article itself to get an idea what card gives you the best bang for your budget. For the same price, I'd recommed the Radeon 5850, as it beats the 465 in most benchmarks i've seen so far.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3745/nvidias-geforce-gtx-465/10

ive never used ati before, will it be good in Age of Conan?

Age of Conan as a benchmark leans towards ATI.

Cichy, without knowing your full system, I think it's fair to say this:

If you can not run AOC on maximum settings and very high resolution, then it will not be because of the Radeon 5850 (same goes probably for the 465gtx)

As I couldn't find an AOC benchmark that uses the 5850, I can only give you these two:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2725/6 <-- see the Radeon 4870x2 (xfire) at the very top of the chart

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433-6.html <-- 5850 is pretty close to the 4870x2

If you have the money, and your system supports the card, I say go for it.

ASUS M4N82 DELUXE 980 SLI

G.SKILL 4 GIGS 1066 (8500)

AMD PHENOM 945

RAZER BARACUDA SOUND CARD

ANTEC TRUE POWER WHISPER 650 WATT

PNY 8800 GT 512 X 2 IN SLI

THIS IS WHAT IM RUNNING

Originally posted by orionite

Cichy, without knowing your full system, I think it's fair to say this:

If you can not run AOC on maximum settings and very high resolution, then it will not be because of the Radeon 5850 (same goes probably for the 465gtx)

As I couldn't find an AOC benchmark that uses the 5850, I can only give you these two:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2725/6 <-- see the Radeon 4870x2 (xfire) at the very top of the chart

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433-6.html <-- 5850 is pretty close to the 4870x2

If you have the money, and your system supports the card, I say go for it.

ASUS M4N82 DELUXE 980 SLI

G.SKILL 4 GIGS 1066 (8500)

AMD PHENOM 945

RAZER BARACUDA SOUND CARD

ANTEC TRUE POWER WHISPER 650 WATT

PNY 8800 GT 512 X 2 IN SLI

THIS IS WHAT IM RUNNING

If you want to stay on the Nvidia side of the fence, your best bet (right now) is probably to find a 470 at a good price, but you'll want to make sure you've got a case with good airflow. The 480 is a little over-priced these days, while the 465 is something of a lame duck. There's reports of other 400-series cards in the works, but there's too much rumour and speculation right now to say anything for certain.

If you're vendor-agnostic, ATI's 5850/70 are both excellent options, depends on what kind of prices you can find.

Just remember: You will NEVER get the latest and greatest at a good price - lowered prices just mean vendors need to clear their stuff out for something bigger and better to replace it. And the less powerful the card, the better it's price/performance ratio - the last little bit of performance always costs the most. Just the nature of the beast.

Apparenlty some of the 465's are actually 470's with a bios lock on them to operate as 465's, I think some people have been able to load up the 470 bios on a 465 to unlock the shaders and such. So a 465 could be a decent deal if it can be modded up to a 470 so you might want to google some info on that.

damn 465 or 470.... cant seem to make up my mind and i know nothing about ati...

even after reviews on the ati's i still cant seem to convince myself to buy one.

For some reason Nvida loves to repackage there cards with different numbers.  Most of the time the only difference is the clock speeds.

Originally posted by Cleffy

Age of Conan as a benchmark leans towards ATI.

There have been a lot of complains from ATI owners about AoC and Far cry 2. AoC leans towards Nvidia, not ATI. 

Back to SLI: MMOs generally doesn't support SLI. I had 2 8800 cards in AoC myself and the difference between that a single 8800 was rather pathetic. A single card will give you more there.

SLI usually just give you 5-20% boost in performance, it is only a great idea if you already have the state of the art card and still have too much cash.

Either buy the 470 card or ATI 5970, both those cards should give you a considerable boost in performance.

Originally posted by noquarter

Apparenlty some of the 465's are actually 470's with a bios lock on them to operate as 465's, I think some people have been able to load up the 470 bios on a 465 to unlock the shaders and such. So a 465 could be a decent deal if it can be modded up to a 470 so you might want to google some info on that.

Duh. You didn't think Nvidia and ATI use a different processor for all their cards? It is cheaper to use the same, but sometimes they use second sorting for the cheapest cards.

What usually differs is the cooling, so if you clock up and unlock things you should be very careful about temperature. They also put slower memories on low budget cards.

I used to clock my old 8800 GTS cards as 8800 Ultra, increased the performance a bit. But don't do such things if you don't know what you are doing, it is easy to burn out a card. 

just get a 5850. the 400 series nvidia cards will cause house fires

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Cleffy

Age of Conan as a benchmark leans towards ATI.

There have been a lot of complains from ATI owners about AoC and Far cry 2. AoC leans towards Nvidia, not ATI. 

Back to SLI: MMOs generally doesn't support SLI. I had 2 8800 cards in AoC myself and the difference between that a single 8800 was rather pathetic. A single card will give you more there.

SLI usually just give you 5-20% boost in performance, it is only a great idea if you already have the state of the art card and still have too much cash.

Either buy the 470 card or ATI 5970, both those cards should give you a considerable boost in performance.

 Most of them dont have to support it, Nvidia provides game support through driver updates.  Take for example Aion which I play in SLI, I can setup to run in SLI through the control panel and Im good to go.  SLI support was added 1 month after the game came by Nvidia and it works well even though Aion doesnt "support it".  I have played AOC, WAR, WOW, Aion and other MMO's in SLI and there is always a nice performance difference with SLI vs not. 

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Originally posted by Loke666

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Originally posted by noquarter
Apparenlty some of the 465's are actually 470's with a bios lock on them to operate as 465's, I think some people have been able to load up the 470 bios on a 465 to unlock the shaders and such. So a 465 could be a decent deal if it can be modded up to a 470 so you might want to google some info on that.

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Duh. You didn't think Nvidia and ATI use a different processor for all their cards? It is cheaper to use the same, but sometimes they use second sorting for the cheapest cards.
What usually differs is the cooling, so if you clock up and unlock things you should be very careful about temperature. They also put slower memories on low budget cards.
I used to clock my old 8800 GTS cards as 8800 Ultra, increased the performance a bit. But don't do such things if you don't know what you are doing, it is easy to burn out a card. 

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Uhm, no I think you misunderstood. I know GPU's are just iterative forms of the same chip. The 465 is a 470 with shader units locked off, which is something that is normally done at a hardware level with a laser to etch the die and cut the paths, and something you can't overcome by overclocking because the 465 and 470 are clocked the same (so any OC you apply to the 465 you could have applied to the 470).

What is special here is some of the vendors are using *actual* GTX 470 chips, meaning the shader units haven't been lasered off and are perfectly stable, and then using a bios mod to shut them off. Which means those shader units can be turned back on unlike in a real GTX 465 where the shader units have been cut off with a laser by nVidia before distribution. Few products have been released like this, pretty much just the Radeon 9700/9700 pro and the Phenom II X3/X4 that I can think of.

Apparently the 470 hasn't been selling well enough and the IHV's (Asus, MSI, etc) can't legally lower the price on them below Nvidia's MSRP, so they are soft modding them into 465's to sell off at lower price just to move inventory. This isn't the same as a 4890 being a faster clocked 4870 due to chip design optimizations, or a GTX 260 being a GTX 285 with shader units burned off by a laser in the die.