If it was my choice I would have deleted their guild thread immediatly.

We have such a great community and I don't want to see it go downwards with people like those in this guild coming. Not one of them did post an introduction in the introduce yourself section... and that's the least they could do to be 'part of the community'. They don't care for others, they just want to gank others, as their thread states... I don't like them, and I wouldn't like it if the devs say anything about it...

If you just prove your friendliness, if you just try to be part of the community, I won't have problems with you anymore... but looking at the posts you've made so far, I have.

You know, it's funny. The OP keeps contradicting himself. In one post he says that his guild doesn't corpse camp and in another post he says they do. If you really want the base info on this situation you can read the original thread here and decide for your selves. http://www.aerrevan.com/forum/index.php?topic=812.msg9351#new They whine about Aerrevan not being fair to PvPers while insulting the folks who have been in the forum all along, both PvPers and non PvPers and when someone gives them the same in return they simply run off to another forum and whine and complain.

Then when they don't get the support that they're looking for in the other forum they try to turn around what they stand for and make it sound altruistic. If you want to know what they are all about simply read their guild charter. It also looks like the OP in the Aerrevan thread this came from has removed any of his posts that bragged about corps camping, I for one know that he had a post stating that they specifically look for people mob hunting and gank them then corpse camp. But as some would say, no screen shot no proof. Just goes to show that the group that claims to not care what others think must actually give a darn after all or they wouldn't delete their posts that make them look bad.

In my opinion, (and it's only my opinion) corpse camping, rez killing, gankers should go away and only play games with others like themselves and leave the rest of the RPG world alone.

Originally posted by Ashlura

Its only the people attempting to fight for carebear land that are arguing the points for the developers.

We arent griefers. I just wont kick people from the Guild because they choose to do it. We dont run Corpse Camping events, but I can tell you, the best way to start a fight is to mess with people. This is when they call in the troops.

 

Why look for a fight, when you can bring one to you?

 

It's simple gaming. For those that say you have played this and that, obviously you have stuck with the lighter side of things in those games. You gank, to inspire others Guildies to come fight for their people. This is how you get Guild vs Guild in World PvP. Deal with it.

 

My post here wasnt meant for drama, it was meant to spread the word. There arent many RPrs left in the World. I havent even played the game yet, but based off of what the dev said to me, yeah, the game will fail. I will resurrect this post later when it does ;) To meet todays needs, you HAVE to meet the needs of all player types. 

 

Gaming, Griefing, Corpse Camping = All is fair in love and war.

 

Hate me all you want, but without me, the world is boring. Without threat from another player coming around the corner the game feels dull. Without someone to get your adrenaline pumping, the game will lose its luster. If all you want is a safe haven, you might as well play a console game. Just saying.

 

What's funny is that everyone that responded here is over there too. :D No one else even gives a shit. But when the games FAQ catches their eye like it did mine, then they will see my post and:

1) Play it just to make your lives a living hell

2) Not play it which brings no revenue to the developers which eventually leads to shutting down the project :D

 

Good luck

 

You're kidding right? Actually, the world would be a much better place without the likes of people like you with that attitude.

You're kidding right? Actually, the world would be a much better place without the likes of people like you and that attitude.

Originally posted by Ashlura

Its only the people attempting to fight for carebear land that are arguing the points for the developers.

We arent griefers. I just wont kick people from the Guild because they choose to do it. We dont run Corpse Camping events, but I can tell you, the best way to start a fight is to mess with people. This is when they call in the troops.

 

Why look for a fight, when you can bring one to you?

 

It's simple gaming. For those that say you have played this and that, obviously you have stuck with the lighter side of things in those games. You gank, to inspire others Guildies to come fight for their people. This is how you get Guild vs Guild in World PvP. Deal with it.

 

My post here wasnt meant for drama, it was meant to spread the word. There arent many RPrs left in the World. I havent even played the game yet, but based off of what the dev said to me, yeah, the game will fail. I will resurrect this post later when it does ;) To meet todays needs, you HAVE to meet the needs of all player types. 

 

Gaming, Griefing, Corpse Camping = All is fair in love and war.

 

Hate me all you want, but without me, the world is boring. Without threat from another player coming around the corner the game feels dull. Without someone to get your adrenaline pumping, the game will lose its luster. If all you want is a safe haven, you might as well play a console game. Just saying.

 

What's funny is that everyone that responded here is over there too. :D No one else even gives a shit. But when the games FAQ catches their eye like it did mine, then they will see my post and:

1) Play it just to make your lives a living hell

2) Not play it which brings no revenue to the developers which eventually leads to shutting down the project :D

 

Good luck

 Boy, you are sure a self-righteous idiot aren't you? Could you be more stuck on yourself.  Failures like you belong in MO, so go play that instead.  The game devs set the rules in their game, not you.  If you want to run around ganking newbies like a retard, then do it in a game where that crap is acceptable...Mortal Online.

Originally posted by Juulpower

If it was my choice I would have deleted their guild thread immediatly.

We have such a great community and I don't want to see it go downwards with people like those in this guild coming. Not one of them did post an introduction in the introduce yourself section... and that's the least they could do to be 'part of the community'. They don't care for others, they just want to gank others, as their thread states... I don't like them, and I wouldn't like it if the devs say anything about it...

If you just prove your friendliness, if you just try to be part of the community, I won't have problems with you anymore... but looking at the posts you've made so far, I have.

After reading everything, I really can safely conclude that the devs do not enjoy pvp guilds, because people will get mad when they pvp. This guy makes a good point. If you don't care for a pvp game, don't include pvp. It's pretty basic. Don't hate on the players because they act in unknown and unpredictable ways.

Originally posted by Miner-2049er

Originally posted by Ashlura

Gaming, Griefing, Corpse Camping = All is fair in love and war.

Hate me all you want, but without me, the world is boring. Without threat from another player coming around the corner the game feels dull. Without someone to get your adrenaline pumping, the game will lose its luster. If all you want is a safe haven, you might as well play a console game. Just saying.

Yes, we all secretly want to be ganked and griefed, and we all want to play games where our corpses are camped. I'm glad you came along because all the games were just so boring before you showed up. I guess you're like the Al Capone of the internet, and everyone is scared of you.

Just a pity that people were scared of Al Capone because he was nuts from being in the final (brain affecting) stages of syphilis huh? 

Originally posted by danJ188

Originally posted by Juulpower

If it was my choice I would have deleted their guild thread immediatly.

We have such a great community and I don't want to see it go downwards with people like those in this guild coming. Not one of them did post an introduction in the introduce yourself section... and that's the least they could do to be 'part of the community'. They don't care for others, they just want to gank others, as their thread states... I don't like them, and I wouldn't like it if the devs say anything about it...

If you just prove your friendliness, if you just try to be part of the community, I won't have problems with you anymore... but looking at the posts you've made so far, I have.

After reading everything, I really can safely conclude that the devs do not enjoy pvp guilds, because people will get mad when they pvp. This guy makes a good point. If you don't care for a pvp game, don't include pvp. It's pretty basic. Don't hate on the players because they act in unknown and unpredictable ways.

It's not 'unknown and unpredictable', we all know why people act like stooges in PvP games; to make themselves feel like big men and make you rage quit. It's not like this hasn't been happening for-frikkin-ever, and it's not like we don't know why. Some people are just closet assholes, and a game can't rely on a demographic of people set at making others stay away or quit in disgust.

The number one problem with MO is that people think they have excuses for acting the way they do... such as "the devs encourage me following you in order to steal from and berate you for hours on end".

Been reading all these threads and what annoys me is everyone is negative about

people having genuine complaints about what in my opinion is immature game bullies.

Game bullies actually cost any game real life coin. I have accounts in most of the games on this site.

I like to play solo level up a charcter and have a great marriege to the item malls. I pay the premuims,

Spend a obscene amount of cash in the item malls and generally mind my own buseniss.

Maybe its because Im one of those mature players who has a life and love in thier spare time to play

a decent mmo.I realise these games are pvp games but I play these games because I love the stories ,enjoy the skills,

and find a real satisfaction in levelling. All I need is people attking me while im minding my own buseniss enjoying what

little time I have to play.What gets real worse you know you are powerfully build  than them and when they die all you

need is thier whole guild ganking you because one of thier members is a immature pig.So you die becuase thats the only option you have and in most mmo's you lose some xp. If this happens to much then you leave taking away your support and any money you do to the game making it secondary. I have many high level even maxed secondary characters on some games and when Im bored  I play them. Sadly this is a bad reflection on Games devolepers. Ivee always said have a choice of wether you want to be pve or pvp and  have something in the item mall to change this hence the developers profits, we who dont like to bother are happer and thier is no griefing .I have notices no game has this requirement which is stupid.Im looking at this game wondering whether it is worth playing or is it a group of bullies calling legitamite people babies. You might ask

why I dont jion a guild. havent the time for those politics as my reallife is full of that sort of thing.The reality is Developer you lose income supporting bullies .

Please consider this post and thank you for reading it.

World pvp is the best but no one really does it anymore because of the fancy BG and Arena systems. So I like to bring the world pvp to myself and others that share my views by doing all those horrible things mentioned in this thread. Im addicted to pvp and there is nothing better than a fair fight, but sometimes to bring the fair fight to you you have to do some terrible things i.e. Take over an alliance town with a group of about 20. After about 10 - 15 mins the world pvp has a real way of finding you.

If you havent done that, i suggest trying it.

Originally posted by eisenryu

World pvp is the best but no one really does it anymore because of the fancy BG and Arena systems. So I like to bring the world pvp to myself and others that share my views by doing all those horrible things mentioned in this thread. Im addicted to pvp and there is nothing better than a fair fight, but sometimes to bring the fair fight to you you have to do some terrible things i.e. Take over an alliance town with a group of about 20. After about 10 - 15 mins the world pvp has a real way of finding you.

If you havent done that, i suggest trying it.

I havnt got no problemns with your  view I do have problemns not really having a chioce wether one can pvp or not.Also my greatest concern is the game itself. If you scare people away you rob games income. In robbing income you dont have all the nice updates and extra features because thier isnt enough profit for the game to provide these extras.People gripe that bugs need fixing yet people leave because attitudes need fixing. Id rather boot from a game those who do not benefit the game in general . Im ddicted to better income and better updates that make me want to pay for item mall things and premium service.

I hope you are paying real money to support this game instead of just being a pvp nuisance.

The devs certainly have not spoken out; as a matter of fact they seem more than willing to make these griefers at home - it's the rest of us who will have to suffer along with a broken community and the loss of our guild forums.

Once again, as a rper and a "carebear" (read pvp with a point and backstory rather than "I'm going to pretend to be evil in order to be a jerk") I'm a third class citizen - I have to just sit in silence as every thread degenerates into nonsense, I have to "just ignore" the other people who are quite honestly enjoying the heck out of the reaction they're getting and just keep egging it on.  In the interim, Aer's developers will just make a bunch of neutral statements and hope to take everyone's money, and as per usual, the rest of us will just have to sigh, fork over the cash, and bend over to be screwed.

Thanks, but no.

Watched it in Alganon, watched it in WoW, have had it happen a hundred times before, and now, I put my money with a company I actually want to support, not just wishful thinking or a bunch of promises.  The whole thing sort of reminds me of the BP disaster - "well we COULD cap the oil spill and stop the incredibly toxic stuff from leaking out and ruining our ocean, but how about we find a way to stem the tide instead so we can make some bucks off the black-stuff?  I mean c'mon, can you see how much of it is pouring out and covering the ocean's surface?  If only we could get that stuff in a barrel, baby!"

Thanks, but no.

It's had some promise, but until the devs either take a real, actual stance against jerks, or tell me flat out that the "carebear rp community really isn't going to be welcome here", what they're doing is completely balls-less, and any respect I had is pretty much gone.  Even Darkfall had the guts to just say straight out "This game won't be for some people", and I could respect their straight-forward attitude - they were able to say so without being twits, which in my experience is pretty rare among the general PvP populace.  So what Aer's problem is, I don't know.  I do know that the devs used to chat a lot on the forums but now, they're mostly silent.  I know that there used to be other conversations than PvPjerks-vs-Everyone, but that's gone too.  How this game went from where it had been to where it is now, I don't know, but I do think the developers either don't want to say anything in order for their game to succeed (at which point, it won't) or they just plain have no idea what to do to stem the oil-flow and save the ocean, so it just keeps getting worse.

But if it's money they want, I'm sure they'll get it, and they can have the fun of dealing with the neanderthal mentality all they like.  But they won't be taking my cash and giving me a half-hearted experience where I have to ignore over 50% of the populace in order to attempt (and probably fail) to enjoy myself.

Thanks, but no.  There's other games - and no, not something "cute" as I actually DO PvP, thanks, but certainly not to ruin someone else's day or force other people to perform a playstyle they don't enjoy out of self-defence.  

Originally posted by OyaD

The devs certainly have not spoken out; as a matter of fact they seem more than willing to make these griefers at home - it's the rest of us who will have to suffer along with a broken community and the loss of our guild forums.

I'm feeling exactly the same as you, Oya.  Amazing how a community got turned around with the arrival of one guild and rather than address those disrupting the forums and delete the posts full of expletives, they delete the entire guild recruitment thread so all guilds are punished.

I can only assume because they have a small community they don't want to moderate specific individuals to risk losing potential subscribers.  But deleting an entire guild recruitment forum sure wasn't the answer.  While I was curious to play before, will have to take a pass on this now.  Really a shame to have witnessed another community go down the drain yet again.

Originally posted by OyaD

The devs certainly have not spoken out; as a matter of fact they seem more than willing to make these griefers at home - it's the rest of us who will have to suffer along with a broken community and the loss of our guild forums.

Once again, as a rper and a "carebear" (read pvp with a point and backstory rather than "I'm going to pretend to be evil in order to be a jerk") I'm a third class citizen - I have to just sit in silence as every thread degenerates into nonsense, I have to "just ignore" the other people who are quite honestly enjoying the heck out of the reaction they're getting and just keep egging it on.  In the interim, Aer's developers will just make a bunch of neutral statements and hope to take everyone's money, and as per usual, the rest of us will just have to sigh, fork over the cash, and bend over to be screwed.

Thanks, but no.

Watched it in Alganon, watched it in WoW, have had it happen a hundred times before, and now, I put my money with a company I actually want to support, not just wishful thinking or a bunch of promises.  The whole thing sort of reminds me of the BP disaster - "well we COULD cap the oil spill and stop the incredibly toxic stuff from leaking out and ruining our ocean, but how about we find a way to stem the tide instead so we can make some bucks off the black-stuff?  I mean c'mon, can you see how much of it is pouring out and covering the ocean's surface?  If only we could get that stuff in a barrel, baby!"

Thanks, but no.

It's had some promise, but until the devs either take a real, actual stance against jerks, or tell me flat out that the "carebear rp community really isn't going to be welcome here", what they're doing is completely balls-less, and any respect I had is pretty much gone.  Even Darkfall had the guts to just say straight out "This game won't be for some people", and I could respect their straight-forward attitude - they were able to say so without being twits, which in my experience is pretty rare among the general PvP populace.  So what Aer's problem is, I don't know.  I do know that the devs used to chat a lot on the forums but now, they're mostly silent.  I know that there used to be other conversations than PvPjerks-vs-Everyone, but that's gone too.  How this game went from where it had been to where it is now, I don't know, but I do think the developers either don't want to say anything in order for their game to succeed (at which point, it won't) or they just plain have no idea what to do to stem the oil-flow and save the ocean, so it just keeps getting worse.

But if it's money they want, I'm sure they'll get it, and they can have the fun of dealing with the neanderthal mentality all they like.  But they won't be taking my cash and giving me a half-hearted experience where I have to ignore over 50% of the populace in order to attempt (and probably fail) to enjoy myself.

Thanks, but no.  There's other games - and no, not something "cute" as I actually DO PvP, thanks, but certainly not to ruin someone else's day or force other people to perform a playstyle they don't enjoy out of self-defence.  

some good points in this post. As I said simply have a pvp chioce and use a item mall function to change whatever your playstyles. This way poeple who want to pvp later at a much higher level pay for a item mall function. People who are pains can be punished in to a non pvp stance and will have to pay to be pvp as well. Hit them where thier pocket is.Make the pvp change reasonably expensive and give it a days delay incase people have made a mistake . In this way it wont stop all pains but gives the community another tool to use.

Originally posted by shadze

Originally posted by eisenryu

World pvp is the best but no one really does it anymore because of the fancy BG and Arena systems. So I like to bring the world pvp to myself and others that share my views by doing all those horrible things mentioned in this thread. Im addicted to pvp and there is nothing better than a fair fight, but sometimes to bring the fair fight to you you have to do some terrible things i.e. Take over an alliance town with a group of about 20. After about 10 - 15 mins the world pvp has a real way of finding you.

If you havent done that, i suggest trying it.

I havnt got no problemns with your  view I do have problemns not really having a chioce wether one can pvp or not.Also my greatest concern is the game itself. If you scare people away you rob games income. In robbing income you dont have all the nice updates and extra features because thier isnt enough profit for the game to provide these extras.People gripe that bugs need fixing yet people leave because attitudes need fixing. Id rather boot from a game those who do not benefit the game in general . Im ddicted to better income and better updates that make me want to pay for item mall things and premium service.

I hope you are paying real money to support this game instead of just being a pvp nuisance.

Wrong, my friend. This gives new players something to look up to when they hit level cap. Or it gives current 80s a reason to come out and do some real pvp, not that arena and BG bullsh*t. Be it a someone answering a noobs cry for help or a pissed off level 80 trying to level and alt, doesnt matter.

Originally posted by shadze

Originally posted by OyaD

The devs certainly have not spoken out; as a matter of fact they seem more than willing to make these griefers at home - it's the rest of us who will have to suffer along with a broken community and the loss of our guild forums.

Once again, as a rper and a "carebear" (read pvp with a point and backstory rather than "I'm going to pretend to be evil in order to be a jerk") I'm a third class citizen - I have to just sit in silence as every thread degenerates into nonsense, I have to "just ignore" the other people who are quite honestly enjoying the heck out of the reaction they're getting and just keep egging it on.  In the interim, Aer's developers will just make a bunch of neutral statements and hope to take everyone's money, and as per usual, the rest of us will just have to sigh, fork over the cash, and bend over to be screwed.

Thanks, but no.

Watched it in Alganon, watched it in WoW, have had it happen a hundred times before, and now, I put my money with a company I actually want to support, not just wishful thinking or a bunch of promises.  The whole thing sort of reminds me of the BP disaster - "well we COULD cap the oil spill and stop the incredibly toxic stuff from leaking out and ruining our ocean, but how about we find a way to stem the tide instead so we can make some bucks off the black-stuff?  I mean c'mon, can you see how much of it is pouring out and covering the ocean's surface?  If only we could get that stuff in a barrel, baby!"

Thanks, but no.

It's had some promise, but until the devs either take a real, actual stance against jerks, or tell me flat out that the "carebear rp community really isn't going to be welcome here", what they're doing is completely balls-less, and any respect I had is pretty much gone.  Even Darkfall had the guts to just say straight out "This game won't be for some people", and I could respect their straight-forward attitude - they were able to say so without being twits, which in my experience is pretty rare among the general PvP populace.  So what Aer's problem is, I don't know.  I do know that the devs used to chat a lot on the forums but now, they're mostly silent.  I know that there used to be other conversations than PvPjerks-vs-Everyone, but that's gone too.  How this game went from where it had been to where it is now, I don't know, but I do think the developers either don't want to say anything in order for their game to succeed (at which point, it won't) or they just plain have no idea what to do to stem the oil-flow and save the ocean, so it just keeps getting worse.

But if it's money they want, I'm sure they'll get it, and they can have the fun of dealing with the neanderthal mentality all they like.  But they won't be taking my cash and giving me a half-hearted experience where I have to ignore over 50% of the populace in order to attempt (and probably fail) to enjoy myself.

Thanks, but no.  There's other games - and no, not something "cute" as I actually DO PvP, thanks, but certainly not to ruin someone else's day or force other people to perform a playstyle they don't enjoy out of self-defence.  

some good points in this post. As I said simply have a pvp chioce and use a item mall function to change whatever your playstyles. This way poeple who want to pvp later at a much higher level pay for a item mall function. People who are pains can be punished in to a non pvp stance and will have to pay to be pvp as well. Hit them where thier pocket is.Make the pvp change reasonably expensive and give it a days delay incase people have made a mistake . In this way it wont stop all pains but gives the community another tool to use.

 Seperate the ability to PvP at all  in an MMO by putting an expensive pricetag on it? Please tell me you're either kidding or extremely drunk/high. Horrible idea. Why even bother when plenty of games already have a PVP flagged on/off feature for free? Why not just use the same method if you're going to basically have people turning it on and off.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by shadze

Originally posted by OyaD

The devs certainly have not spoken out; as a matter of fact they seem more than willing to make these griefers at home - it's the rest of us who will have to suffer along with a broken community and the loss of our guild forums.

Once again, as a rper and a "carebear" (read pvp with a point and backstory rather than "I'm going to pretend to be evil in order to be a jerk") I'm a third class citizen - I have to just sit in silence as every thread degenerates into nonsense, I have to "just ignore" the other people who are quite honestly enjoying the heck out of the reaction they're getting and just keep egging it on.  In the interim, Aer's developers will just make a bunch of neutral statements and hope to take everyone's money, and as per usual, the rest of us will just have to sigh, fork over the cash, and bend over to be screwed.

Thanks, but no.

Watched it in Alganon, watched it in WoW, have had it happen a hundred times before, and now, I put my money with a company I actually want to support, not just wishful thinking or a bunch of promises.  The whole thing sort of reminds me of the BP disaster - "well we COULD cap the oil spill and stop the incredibly toxic stuff from leaking out and ruining our ocean, but how about we find a way to stem the tide instead so we can make some bucks off the black-stuff?  I mean c'mon, can you see how much of it is pouring out and covering the ocean's surface?  If only we could get that stuff in a barrel, baby!"

Thanks, but no.

It's had some promise, but until the devs either take a real, actual stance against jerks, or tell me flat out that the "carebear rp community really isn't going to be welcome here", what they're doing is completely balls-less, and any respect I had is pretty much gone.  Even Darkfall had the guts to just say straight out "This game won't be for some people", and I could respect their straight-forward attitude - they were able to say so without being twits, which in my experience is pretty rare among the general PvP populace.  So what Aer's problem is, I don't know.  I do know that the devs used to chat a lot on the forums but now, they're mostly silent.  I know that there used to be other conversations than PvPjerks-vs-Everyone, but that's gone too.  How this game went from where it had been to where it is now, I don't know, but I do think the developers either don't want to say anything in order for their game to succeed (at which point, it won't) or they just plain have no idea what to do to stem the oil-flow and save the ocean, so it just keeps getting worse.

But if it's money they want, I'm sure they'll get it, and they can have the fun of dealing with the neanderthal mentality all they like.  But they won't be taking my cash and giving me a half-hearted experience where I have to ignore over 50% of the populace in order to attempt (and probably fail) to enjoy myself.

Thanks, but no.  There's other games - and no, not something "cute" as I actually DO PvP, thanks, but certainly not to ruin someone else's day or force other people to perform a playstyle they don't enjoy out of self-defence.  

some good points in this post. As I said simply have a pvp chioce and use a item mall function to change whatever your playstyles. This way poeple who want to pvp later at a much higher level pay for a item mall function. People who are pains can be punished in to a non pvp stance and will have to pay to be pvp as well. Hit them where thier pocket is.Make the pvp change reasonably expensive and give it a days delay incase people have made a mistake . In this way it wont stop all pains but gives the community another tool to use.

 Seperate the ability to PvP at all  in an MMO by putting an expensive pricetag on it? Please tell me you're either kidding or extremely drunk/high. Horrible idea. Why even bother when plenty of games already have a PVP flagged on/off feature for free? Why not just use the same method if you're going to basically have people turning it on and off.

great that hurt it was meant to. When you have a option to turn it of and on you still get pains. These bullies just use that cheep option at thier convenience. With this option  it seperates those who play games not only for thier pvp content. This what pisses me off is a game is more than pvp. Some play becuase they like the game itself or even the community. When pvp rules a game you have the old Chinese warlord clans some who are pains and everyone either leaves  or dont play much. Ive seen this in every mmo. We buy items to reskill we can buy to pvp. Also this way is a tool for  the Game itself and income is not lost. Most games have recognised some people dont play to pvp. Aika is a great example of this where thier are 2 servers. Having a item to change this is the cheaper and more practical solution. For this current problemn i would of simply done that to this guild. Having this part of the companies rules and part of the cost of being in a guild. Now guildwars has a different solution only the guilded  can pvp that is another option to look at. This way keeps it to guilds and not single players. I never said my idea was the only solution.

You haven't been following the game, Shadze, because they DO have two different ways of doing things; guilds are PvP, clans are non-PvP.  That is not the problem.  The problem stems from the fact that every single time a non-PvP player posts something on the forums, the PvPJerks come forth in their "brotherhood" and immediately tell said player that they need to grow some bolts and Play Like A Real Man.  Anything that isn't PvP is seen as a waste of time, and they tell you so.  In short, if you're not doing things their way, you're doing it wrong.  They've even now told the Devs that they're handling the beta testing completely incorrect and should be listening to them rather than making their own minds up - because they themselves would not and do not respect rules, and therefore they believe that no one else will, ergo the Devs don't know what they're doing.  The concept that we MIGHT have had a community before all this mess which was mature and respectful of our role as beta testers is a foreign one, because they have already admitted they don't have a moral bone in their bodies.

Thing is, the KKK is a "brotherhood" too, but I certainly have no respect for them or their sense of comraderie.  Bigotry is bigotry, no matter where it is.  And steamrolling a whole community for not Being One Of Them is being a bigot - something which I imagine they're actually quite proud of.

The problem is that the community is very small, and therefore such a large group of bullies is going to have a very huge impact on said community.  If it was a bigger game with numerous servers, it wouldn't be a problem - they just go onto one and disappear into the hundreds of thousands playing, and never the twain shall meet.  But with a community so small, with what will probably be all of three servers, you're bound to run into them, and have to deal with them at some point.  And I get tired of "just put them on ignore" when that means putting nearly the whole community on ignore and going solo.  Ignore doesn't work when you have mobs being trained on top of you, when rp is being constantly disrupted, when guild forums have to be wiped due to flames, and when you cannot start a single thread about something other than PvP without having someone stomp all over it, saying "it's just a joke, lighten up" and other classic passive-aggressive internet behaviour.  

So, no, simple mechanics won't solve it - these types of people specialise in ways of getting around the mechanics whenever possible, using the rather anti-social explanation of "well if it wasn't meant to be there, they would have taken it out".  The development team of Aerrevan isn't large, and there's no change they're going to be able to stop every single exploit/griefing gap.  With all this going on, chances are they'll find themselves having to become dedicated babysitters and anything other than stopping up exploits will be put to one side.  It won't be fun for them, it won't be fun for us.  

Therefore, I - and it seems, quite a few others - are going to be giving this a miss.  Methinks the beta-test numbers may turn out to be considerably smaller than expected; and what a mess it's going to be.

Thanks, but no.

Well, I will be beta testing Aerrevan.  I doubt if many of the Noxx crew are in the beta, they seem to have doscovered the game after the first phase of beta testers were full.  If they have made it into beta, we'll just have to see how it goes.  Maybe there will be ways for the Dev's to handle the disruptions.  I agreed months ago to beta test and I shall.  It will be quite interesting to see how beta plays out.  There were probably going to be some rough spots with or without a griefer guild.

aaaa I get the whole picture. It is then my guess these groups originate from the same country and dominate others via these tactics. I hope one of you developers are reading this because this sort of economy  is going to lose you a lot of dollars in whaat you cannot afford.mmmm the games who actually make money have a no nonsence aproach to this sort of behaviuor

And Im  really sure these players have been kicked from those sort of games as they should be.What then needs to be discussed is organised pvp verses all out guild abuse. They re clever and are using the old time griefing favorite the enviroment  to deal with enemies. Yet stupid in the fact is continue this behaviuor you lose the potential  of income for all those deliciuos updates everyone moans about. A Game survives by its community and over all attractiveness for other to play it.

Most probably these also bot and spend no real money on the game itself. Mae it then a pay by month game. Those games have better policing as they depend on thier committed members.