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5/29/10 2:38:39 PM#41
Originally posted by Sokekoke Good article tho!! Mostly valid points, and i found the authors idear to delete leveling very appealing, however it is a nice way to learn your class before rvr |
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5/30/10 1:15:29 AM#42
Originally posted by Sokekoke There is no right or wrong here. It is just opinion. I've experieced everything the original poster wrote about as well as StormBow's opinions. I know there are nice folks and there are jerks. Although I don't agree with everything StormBow said, I think he makes some great points. I definately think the reviewer needs to go back and learn more about the UI. My resume from the game was an early beta tester that played for years. I took a break when ToA came out because, well, it turned the game and my guild on its ass. I came back later and had great fun on the classic server and met new friends. For me, the negatives are: 1. Buff Bots are just dumb 2. The above bots and other disadvantages for new players are a problem - but you can work with it if you like the game 3. People like the above who I quoted. If this is the example of the mindset left in the game, there would be no reason for me to play anymore. Skip levels completely? Only PVP? Elitism? No Realm Pride? One of the greatest aspects of DAOC for me was the ability to have great PVP and, catch this one, great PVE too! What a novel thought. I guess I'm one of the few left that likes to venture into the bowels of Trollhiem and five minutes after make my way to the battlefield to crush heads. Call me crazy, but I do believe there are answers to the problems DAOC has. One thing I can tell you right now, if you are some suit trying to make a decision on which MMO to make - you are crazy if you don't make DAOC 2. Almost every new game has stolen ideas from DAOC and in many way in dumbing those ideas down they are not as good, I guarantee you with a new engine, and new models, no bots, and other stuff - a DAOC would be a sure-fire hit, Hell, if I had the money and a team I would make it myself. |
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5/30/10 10:09:48 AM#43
DAoC was good back in the day. I value the past-players input that is more grounded without "spin" than I ever will a puff-piece from a writer or editor on this site. Your articles and reviews are hardly reality-based or honest. A 7.5 score for DAoC today, and a 7.5 score for STO. Enough said. |
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5/30/10 6:13:08 PM#44
Stormbow's review is perfect. That's exactly what the game is like now-a-days. Only people left (for the last few years...) are elitist snobs and asshats who have played way too long. The worst part of the game besides how it's the best game ever ruined by the lack of (real) players is the unbalanced realms. When I played on Classic, Midgard destroy in Thidranki 3:1 and Hibernia destroyed Albion 2:1. It sucked to be anyone but Midgard, and it was boring to play as them because it was too easy (overpopulated. No one even had a chance because # of Players > Player Skill > Template > Character Skill It was the same in every battleground (except the BG's where no one played) But in one instead of Midgard, it would be Albion who is overpopulated and everyone else loses.
I quit DAoC once and for all right after Lab expansion was released. Why? Because... I had played the last 8 hours roaming in a 8 man group killing solo or 3-man groups (my group rolled them so fast I got off one shot- if lucky- before they died) until we eventually ran across the zerg and died instantly (with no chance of winning) When I realized that I had played for 8 hours and the actual FUN part of the game was only 20 minutes long, and the only FAIR, (amazing) matches I had fought was ONE at 5 minutes long...that's when I decided the game was horrible and a waste of my life, time, and money. I've had my most immersive- best times...and my WORST times playing a video game ever on Dark Age of Camelot. You realize you need to put the keyboard down when you play for 8 hours to only get 20 minutes of entertainment, even if 5 minutes of those are the most amazing experience you ever encounter (a fair 8v8 battle or a ridiculously intense 30vs30 battle...which is the ONLY time I've ever felt like I was in a "real war")
Other than that, it's 7 hours and 55 minutes of roaming around a map WAY TOO LARGE for the small population while listening to 20-30 year old pot heads apathetically talk about Adult Swim, Family Guy, and Robot Chicken until the 40 year old cat-ladies who sound like Marge Simpson get on Vent to say "Hey guys, just got back from the casino. Any groups open?" |
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5/30/10 10:02:13 PM#45
At the risk of going against the grain, I really don't see how DAoC influenced future MMORPGs all that much. World of Warcraft was created by many former EQ raiders who refined the EQ style of gameplay into a much more casual experience. Otherwise, especially at the top end, WoW is a carbon copy of EQ. Many games afterwards copied WoW, and even Mythic's next title has more in common with WoW than DAoC. |
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5/31/10 1:07:36 AM#46
yea, please stop feeding the troll people. I have been back to the game for a couple weeks now, I have found that the majority of the community to be very helpful and pleasant, and make no mistake, if they were jerks like the one person said, I wouldn't have stayed. Everyone I have grouped with has been very nice, everytime I ask for advice, I get friendly response's. Everytime I see someone ask for help there are always a couple people answering the call, I don't see that kind of stuff happening in any other current MMORPG's. I was shocked to see how many people were playing the game when out of curiosity I tried it again, and everyday it seems like more and more people are going back. Amaze's me how one person's stated 'fact' is absolutely the opposite of what I am seeing in this game currently! |
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5/31/10 5:02:55 AM#47
Several things, I feel, are dated or don't represent what a new player would experince....more like somebody who returned and wants to max his character as soon as possible to 50.
Esp. on Ywain you'll find everywhere people leveling, grouping and having fun. You don't need to stick on another player and let them level you...that's nonesense. The world is huge, you can without any troubles experince this world and find even some nice groups in low level part. Early on one can enter Battlegrounds which are too well visited. With Ywain all this complains are...well IMO not really there. You have lots of PvE, sure not like in new MMOs but it makes it easier to do it with friends together no matter how far they are apart in levels. Later on if one is 50, you can easily get your first Temp together...every higher item is sale able with scales, glas or souls.
The only real trouble one can have is a dated UI, dated Questsystem and a different kind of skilling...this things are IMO only a trouble if you are experinced with other, newer MMOs...if not, if DAoC is your first then I don't see their any problems. At least not really a reason to rate it 7.5...esp. not with Ywain around.
Ok, if we still had the old clusters but so? Not really a review from somebody who is new to DAoC. |
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5/31/10 4:43:19 PM#48
Never played DAoC. Guess I missed out, however, I'm hoping someone can answer an odd little curiousity of mine. Is DAoC where the term 'toon' originated? Or does it go farther back yet....never have found an answer on that one. |
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6/01/10 12:37:54 AM#49
By me at least, and online since 95, "toon" was first used in DAoC. Multiple characters and eventually accounts were a norm, so "I'm bringing on another toon" made all sorts of sense first time ever.
 WHO - Online 08-10 WoW - Online since launch. LOTR-O - Online 06-08 EVE - Online 07-Now DAoC - Online 01-Now Also played : AC, EQ, EQ2, DDO, Cabal, D&L, GW, LA2, Ryzom Shaiya, SWG, Allods Waiting : DAoC2 |
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6/01/10 9:59:47 AM#50
Originally posted by harveyz8471 I saw the term used in EQ before DAoC was even released, so it's definitely not where it originated from. I'm not sure if it actually started in EQ, I just know that I definitely saw it there prior to DAoC existing. |
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Asheram
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Joined: 3/24/10
What happens when you get 5 stars do you get a cookie? ;) |
6/01/10 12:32:27 PM#51
Originally posted by Senjinn sry but my only chars in DAoC are in midgard and you paint a very false and unrealistic picture of midgard and my highest lvl is a healer |
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Asheram
Elite Member
Joined: 3/24/10
What happens when you get 5 stars do you get a cookie? ;) |
6/01/10 12:34:45 PM#52
Originally posted by Khors so why are you here then you contradict yourself by even being here and posting in the forum Are you a messenger from GOD to save us poor souls from the evil of MMORPG? |
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6/02/10 3:02:45 AM#53
Originally posted by NightGod473 I use to use and remember people mostly using char in EQ, but did see toon start to surface a little before I started up daoc. It was definitely more prevalent in daoc though. |
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6/03/10 3:56:49 PM#54
Here is the down and out no lie about daoc-
Classic server transfer you get 5 free levels of MLs done after that you are stuck like the rest you need to grind 26k glass or half if you are from a classic server just to finish the ML’s , but you say I can find a group to do the ML’s all I can say is good luck with that, the only one running if any which is very unlikely is ML10 the reason it is not run very much is that you have ninja outside of the group which kills the mob and steals the loot, you are like how? It is because it Rewards the credits to the last person who does the kill, even if you are not in a group-so at least on the Ywain Server even getting in on a ML10 run are very rare. So per hour killing the statues on Wing Helm Island solo (and I mean no bots ) you get 700 so you do the math, or try to find a glass group but in order to get a group at least on the Hib side if you are not a healer or Aoe good luck with that, all the ones that are doing it fill it up with the above and on the condition the Aoe or healer will only go if they bring a baby with them so no room for live people.
If you did not cap your Bounty points out in Molviak – just reroll or be prepared to pay a hefty price for those items needed from that merchant.
Scales- you will need 500 scales per item you need for Armor you do the math and ha, ha if you think it’s that easy only 500 verses 26k….
Champion Levels- for the weapon and for the skills you need to ….that is right grind to level 5 for the weapon and grind to level 10 to max, so make sure you get this started before going to farm scales and glass each kill you get yields between 18-48 points per kill and you need…ya …..millions and millions……
Oh and if you want a artifact please make sure you grind another 1000 in glass which is nice it’s not so expensive unless you need a few arti’s.
Ok so now you got all that grinded and you got your template you go out to frontiers so excited but then you come to a screeching halt because all you do is wait and wait and wait….. 2 hours later ……in LFG channel you can even try singing pick me pick me I am fully templated I am god …..ya …….what a waste .. two months down the shitter and you are left to get Zerged…….such a shame what this game has come down to…..
So if the above sounds appealing to you then by all means go for it ….but at least I gave a real view on what Daoc is, screw the graphics review and ui stuff and all the good love you got I want to hear the about the Game play all the down and ugly of it which by no means did you do unless you meant that you bought plat from the farmers and payed someone to PL you in 5 days and got all your MLS and Fully template in just 5 days….how could you even say such a thing ? What a crock of shi.. not one person new to the game could get someone to do all that……………why not instead of getting to the end in a week enjoy the ride? Learn to play explore as much as you can …….even if all you have to look forward to is what I stated at least I could enjoy the torture more by “Earning it” ….which for one thing ticked me off in your story …great way to bring people into the game by telling them to expect PL.
So bottom line is any game is what you want to make out of it as long as you go in knowing the truth about what to expect …
So for your review of:
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6/04/10 1:35:28 AM#55
It still amazes (and slightly depresses) me that DAoC looks so much better (to me, visually) than WAR. What happened, Mythic? |
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6/05/10 9:07:35 AM#56
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6/05/10 9:13:47 AM#57
DAoC had the best PvE of any game I ever played. People seem to forget that it has a dedicated PvE server that was cooperative throughout the 3 realms. Like Mordred, one toon to see it all, but all PvE. The grouping combinations were awesome, and character roles became very interesting especially in the epic dungeons. There is also the /duel option to stem some bloodlust. |
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6/08/10 8:39:57 AM#58
after getting the mmorpg news letter and seeing the last statement
If you love PvP and can put up with a purely one dimensional experience then absolutely try this game out. If you are however looking for an immersive MMORPG with great PvE, then ultimately this is not the game for you
I had to wonder how stupid the reviewer is, he clearly did not do a proper job on his research for this review since as others have stated there is a server dedicated to PvE, this reviewer will soon be working for a small town news paper doing movie reviews that he has obviously not seen. and while the leveling curve for DAoC has been made a flat line almost if the player chooses to actually level up a toon the old fashioned way they can, and there are players that still believe in playing a toon to 50 and doing the MLs and getting the arty credits instead of just buying them from the merchants in ToA. |
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indiramourn
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Joined: 12/13/05
MMOs require more reasoning and imagination than most stereotypically ''adult'' activities. |
6/08/10 3:23:48 PM#59
Adam Tingle said: It took me all of five days to reach level 50 with a mixture of questing, solo grind and also grouping with level 50's.
I took my time--I love alts--and didn't get my first level 50 until after a year playing DAoC back in the early days of the game. I love the "grind" that was spread all over the world--find a spot and kill mobs. Get tired of that spot then go exploring until you find other mobs at an appropriate level and kill them. You even got an XP bonus for not camping a spot too long. It made exploring the world an intregal part of the game. My guild wasn't really into PvP'ing when we played. Even though the frontier was always fun to peek into now and then. To this day DAoC is still my all time favorite MMORPG. And this re-review is temping me to try it again after all these years. |
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6/17/10 10:00:00 AM#60
DAoC was the game that pulled me away from EQ1. Really enjoyed it until the fiasco that was Trials of Atlantis. After Catacombs came out I tried to get back in to it, but they still hadn't fixed the Necromancer durability bug. I think once EA absorbed Mythic, they decided to just maintain status quo. Still think it had the best pvp system of any mmo I've played. |
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Lots of races and classes to choose from
Awful UI- 
