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5/25/10 9:17:03 PM#41
if sony makes Rifts the MMO, i say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO but if cryptic makes it, maybe. Rifts if made into an mmo, would have to do away wiht classical class idea, and go more for a proffession style system. kinda like pre CU SWG. that way they can add as many proffessions as they need or better yet make them just skills you can pick up so there are no classes its just some skills take more xp than others to learn. |
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5/25/10 9:27:15 PM#42
Hell yeah I'd play. Lots of great memories of Palladium system and RIFTS. I'd also like to see a Shadowrun as mentioned earlier. Also some good times there and probably much easier to fit into the current style of MMO. And of course White Wolf's stuff to hopefully come out at some point or another. Insert random misqoute here |
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5/25/10 9:31:04 PM#43
I've been talking about a RIFTS MMO since MMOs 1st came out! If I was to spend an assload of money developing an MMO ... it would be either RIFTS, Dune, or Terminator. Who farted? |
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5/25/10 9:31:05 PM#44
Originally posted by Snowdonia Shadowrun doesn't have classes. They have a list of pre-packaged skills (that are named) for those whoeither are overwhelmed by or just don't want to bother with their skill system. That misconception is one of the major reasons I don't want to see a Shadowrun (being my favorite IP) made into a MMO. Making it into some level-based quest grind, which is what all companies with the money to do it with the exception of probably CCP, is not where I would want to see Shadowrun. And noone is going to snatch up the IP. It rests firmly with one of its co-creators, Jordan Weisman, as well as a few other heavy hitters from the old FASA catalogue and at current Jordan is only doing something with the Mechwarrior IP from that group. Anything Shadowrun will most likely be a single player RPG considering Microsoft's failed FPS attempt and that Weisman has recognized it was a failed attempt and away from what Shadowrun is: RPG. "Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..." |
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5/25/10 9:54:54 PM#45
Wow I cant belive no one has mentioned Titan Juicer FTW! I loved my Titan Juicer, heh i even had a special d20 the size of a baseball just for when I played my Titan Juicer. A Rifts MMO would just utterly rock. |
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5/25/10 10:33:44 PM#46
I think a Rifts based mmo could go a really long way if done properly. The rifts world is filled with really interesting areas to develop for players to explore and interact with, even the parts where the game jumps the shark. Like others have pointed out, the rules system isn't very good and has problems all over the place. Most people I have encountered tweaked the rules and systems to make more sense. That has little to do with the balance of the game either, just the flow of it. For a role playing game it is filled with pretty cool things for players, but mechanically it has troubles.
A lot would have to change to make it an mmo though. There are just way to many classes in the books, but that would give a developer plenty of choices. I'm not sure it could be made classless like UO or SWG. On top of that I not sure how "factions" could be handled like the coalition and things of that nature. It would be pretty cool though. |
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5/25/10 11:39:29 PM#47
I posed the question of Rifts as an mmo about a year ago on this site. I received a response equivalent to the sounds of crickets chirping. Hell yeah this would be so versatile. It could start with a few worlds then each patch could at add a little more to existing worlds until they are fully fleshed out. Then expansions would introduce new worlds at one xpac every year or year and a half.. Endless material to work with and with all the genres it would cover...something for everyone. Providing the core system was somewhat balanced and fun to use. Probably way to difficult to pull off though. |
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5/26/10 12:01:58 AM#48
Originally posted by Snowdonia
I agree wholeheartedly on the nod to In Nomine. If they could create a system that successfully brought that gameplay into an MMO, it would be absolutely fantastic. I'd also love to see a Paranoia MMO. Or a Morrow Project MMO. Or a Harnmaster MMO. Or an Aftermath MMO. Or.... Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned. |
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5/26/10 12:26:45 AM#49
Originally posted by Snowdonia In Nomine would be a terrific MMO. I'd love to see it. As far as the Rifts rules go, I hardly remember them at all. My first and only character I played was a Juicer and I made a point of not knowing the rules, hence having little idea of when I was crossing the line from playing risky to playing suicidally. Luckily I had a forgiving GM, who I was able to keep entertained with my antics. I think if it were otherwise I would have quickly become little more than a drug-laced blood smear. People get too hung up on the rules and number-crunching these days. Sadly, with today's MMOs (even the RPGs), success is often built on one's skills with a spreadsheet and a calculator instead of inventive and gutsy play. And don't get me started on balance issues. If you want balance, play checkers. The world all around us is full of imbalance, which is one of the things that makes it interesting. There's no reason this needn't hold true for an online world as well. |
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5/26/10 1:50:22 AM#50
Rifts would be a good Sandbox MMO, but it would have to start "smallish" and then work on expanding outwards.
But then a Battletech (based on the classic Battletech universe circa 3025) would be also another large market. Perhaps a Robotech MMO.
Then there is the Cyberpunk:2020 by R. Talsorian Games. You could also fallback to the classic Twilight:2000 by GDW. Nothing says fun like the 3rd world war.
And who says they have to be PnP games. I would love a MMO based on the classic game X-COM:UFO Defence. That would be a GREAT game. So much crap, so little quality. |
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5/26/10 2:18:04 AM#51
Originally posted by spookydom To be entirely fair it wasn't some just me, he did mention it in a panel talk to pretty much everyone there. Was just real early stuff and he probably shouldn't have mentioned it at all (you know how all these big companies get scared off) - but nobody can accuse the guy of lacking enthusiasm. Was just trying to point out someone other than us have noticed you could probably print money with a Rifts MMO ;) Would be suprised if either of them weren't interested in trying a single player RPG first either, since Rifts is well geared to compete against a game like Fallout (which shares more than a few of it's core ideas). Which sold tons. |
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5/26/10 2:25:06 AM#52
Mechwarrior MMO is my pick, don't know how many remember the Mechwarrior ruleset, one could add Battle Tech rules for the mech use on top of that. Rolemaster would be nice too, played a MUD with RM ruleset once and it worked surprisingly well too. |
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5/26/10 2:55:08 AM#53
Would I get a hover pad with SF babes like the alien in the picture? If so count me in. :)
Rifts was a mish mash of settings, an excuse for Palladium to stick any idea they wanted in the mix. Some of the products were very good some quite pedestrian. Sticking to one of the more detailed world concepts would be the key to success.
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5/26/10 3:05:25 AM#54
I'd rather see...
...dangit, someone beat me to it. I never really liked Shadowrun and was a die hard RTAL CP2013/2020 player for years. They even had authors of genre writing rulebooks for them (George Alec Effinger comes to mind). Still have the books around here somewhere. Not just another pretty color. |
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5/26/10 3:18:07 AM#55
As an avid rifts player and GM for rifts, I have to say I've been wanting a MMO for a long time. If you look at a rifts mmo it HAS to be done like EvE Online is. There many characters in eve (though usually alts) can't do much combat, they sit in stations trading/building/researching or mining with very little combat skills. If you run rifts the same way in terms of what characters can do like that, you'll have a better base for classes *in the beginning* If you look at Rifts in a pvp perspective then you'll have massive balance issues, as a rogue scholar vs a phaeton juicer in just about any vehicle is lots one sided. In order to make it right, the some of the rules might have to go out the window. The whole SDC MDC would be very hard to mitigate, and most armor doesn't regenerate so when your plastic man armor falls off from too much damage and you lose a limb to a md particle beam blast. There are tons of ways a mmo could go, there, and limitless possibilites for races/classes and combinations. It's probably one of the hardest to plan around. As a GM in order to part out a campaign you know what power level you want to set, and where to start characters in. I'd love to play a triax robot pilot in one of the walking monstrosities of sheer power they have. I would love to find that ccp and palladium are talking about it, but chances are it's some other company if there even is one. Heck just a RPG for the PC and consoles with that kind of scope would be great, multiple starts, such as triax, lazlo, chitown, few other hotspots with a few character classes/races per section would be good too.
Ok now I'm jonesing to run or play RIfts now thanks... lol anyway, this is a great idea and a good enough thread might give some solid ideas and who knows one little forum discussion could change the face of the MMO as we know it if rifts MMO becomes reality! |
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5/26/10 4:03:07 AM#56
Interesting story-thanks! Makes me think I may pass on this one if it ever makes it to retail |
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5/26/10 4:37:45 AM#57
Hopefully some small company will build something unique and interesting from such a great IP. I'd like to see a game that really throws balance out the window on some levels. A huge orc should be able to deal huge crushing and physical blows, ones that send a mage flying, breaking their backs against a wall. A mage, given enough time, should be able to pull giant balls of fire from the sky to crush said orc. I am playing EVE and it's alright... level V skills are a bit much. You all need to learn to spell. |
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5/26/10 6:01:14 AM#58
I persoanlly wanna see a CareBear MMO, to teach these people that keep using the term carebear around here a lesson. :D (I'd play it. :o) |
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Yamota
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5/26/10 6:04:30 AM#59
Oh yes, another IP with huge muscular men/monsters and scantly cled sexy women. Just what the industry needs. |
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5/26/10 6:22:58 AM#60
Wow - a Paranoia MMO! That would be fantastic! Pure gold for old style MMO'ers, not so great for the power gamers...
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