No one is "discriminating" against your race because they don't let you come to the US illegally, and give you all the rights of a US citizen. 

Citizenship is not about race. If you are white as snow, and immigrated to Mexico  from Ireland, and had lily white children there, those children are Mexican. 

That is their nationality, not their race. 

Just like Americans come from Africa, Europe, China, Japan, etc. American is their nationality, not their race. 

If you are not American, you must have permission to be in the United States. 

This has nothing to do with your race, or your color. 

The real agenda behind those opposed to the Arizona laws against illegal immigrants, is that they support open borders with Mexico. 

They support all Mexicans having all the same rights as American Citizens. They dont' say this openly, becuase they know this will not be well received, but they do not support securing the borders in any way. 

But, they don't want the US to have any control over Mexico. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to allow Mexico to remain a corrupt lawless country, which is what creates their poverty, and at the same time let all Mexicans have all rights of US citizenship. 

You can't have both. if you want open borders, then the US will have to run Mexico so it is no longer corrupt, which is what creates the poverty there. 

If you dont' want to clean up the corruption in Mexico, then the borders must remain closed. Take your pick. 

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

No one is "discriminating" against your race because they don't let you come to the US illegally, and give you all the rights of a US citizen. 

Citizenship is not about race. If you are white as snow, and immigrated to Mexico  from Ireland, and had lily white children there, those children are Mexican. 

That is their nationality, not their race. 

 

Just like Americans come from Africa, Europe, China, Japan, etc. American is their nationality, not their race. 

If you are not American, you must have permission to be in the United States. 

This has nothing to do with your race, or your color. 

 

The real agenda behind those opposed to the Arizona laws against illegal immigrants, is that they support open borders with Mexico. 

They support all Mexicans having all the same rights as American Citizens. They dont' say this openly, becuase they know this will not be well received, but they do not support securing the borders in any way. 

But, they don't want the US to have any control over Mexico. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to allow Mexico to remain a corrupt lawless country, which is what creates their poverty, and at the same time let all Mexicans have all rights of US citizenship. 

You can't have both. if you want open borders, then the US will have to run Mexico so it is no longer corrupt, which is what creates the poverty there. 

If you dont' want to clean up the corruption in Mexico, then the borders must remain closed. Take your pick. 

 

But what makes you an American? Place of birth? Nationality Papers? or that you hold American values?

I have always been pro-annexation of Mexico, and all of central america down to Panama.  Much smaller border to patrol.

Originally posted by murdera2k6

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

No one is "discriminating" against your race because they don't let you come to the US illegally, and give you all the rights of a US citizen. 

Citizenship is not about race. If you are white as snow, and immigrated to Mexico  from Ireland, and had lily white children there, those children are Mexican. 

That is their nationality, not their race. 

 

Just like Americans come from Africa, Europe, China, Japan, etc. American is their nationality, not their race. 

If you are not American, you must have permission to be in the United States. 

This has nothing to do with your race, or your color. 

 

The real agenda behind those opposed to the Arizona laws against illegal immigrants, is that they support open borders with Mexico. 

They support all Mexicans having all the same rights as American Citizens. They dont' say this openly, becuase they know this will not be well received, but they do not support securing the borders in any way. 

But, they don't want the US to have any control over Mexico. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to allow Mexico to remain a corrupt lawless country, which is what creates their poverty, and at the same time let all Mexicans have all rights of US citizenship. 

You can't have both. if you want open borders, then the US will have to run Mexico so it is no longer corrupt, which is what creates the poverty there. 

If you dont' want to clean up the corruption in Mexico, then the borders must remain closed. Take your pick. 

 

But what makes you an American? Place of birth? Nationality Papers? or that you hold American values?

You are an American if your born here. Not necessarily proud.

Originally posted by murdera2k6

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

No one is "discriminating" against your race because they don't let you come to the US illegally, and give you all the rights of a US citizen. 

Citizenship is not about race. If you are white as snow, and immigrated to Mexico  from Ireland, and had lily white children there, those children are Mexican. 

That is their nationality, not their race. 

 

Just like Americans come from Africa, Europe, China, Japan, etc. American is their nationality, not their race. 

If you are not American, you must have permission to be in the United States. 

This has nothing to do with your race, or your color. 

 

The real agenda behind those opposed to the Arizona laws against illegal immigrants, is that they support open borders with Mexico. 

They support all Mexicans having all the same rights as American Citizens. They dont' say this openly, becuase they know this will not be well received, but they do not support securing the borders in any way. 

But, they don't want the US to have any control over Mexico. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to allow Mexico to remain a corrupt lawless country, which is what creates their poverty, and at the same time let all Mexicans have all rights of US citizenship. 

You can't have both. if you want open borders, then the US will have to run Mexico so it is no longer corrupt, which is what creates the poverty there. 

If you dont' want to clean up the corruption in Mexico, then the borders must remain closed. Take your pick. 

 

But what makes you an American? Place of birth? Nationality Papers? or that you hold American values?

United States Law. that's what makes you American. 

The law changes. Right now you can become an American many ways. You can be born here, you can also become naturalized, and you can qualify to be naturalized by being a permanent resident for various amounts of time, depending on if you are married to a US citizen or not. 

You cannot become a US citizen if you have committed a crime of "moral turpitude" generally a crime of theft or violence against another person. 

Are you saying that someone in Mexico "holds American values" so that means he or she should be able to vote for the US President, or qualify for all the benefits of a US citizen?

And how would you ever quantify or qualify that? Someone just says "I hold American values" and that's it, they can be an American? I don't think so. 

You are American because of American Law. 

If you fall within those laws, you are a citizen of the US, and if you don't, you are not. 

No country has ever remained a nation with open borders. The US won't either. 

The cry of "racism" is a red herring by people that want open borders, pure and simple. It has nothing to do with race, or white or black or brown color of your skin. 

Spot on.

Typically your nationality is defined by your place of birth. It is possible to become a naturalised citizen in a new country. Each country has it's own mechanics and requirements for this.

Semantically race is a funny word. While race can describe a physical or hereditary connection between people, it can equally correctly define a connection by nationality.

So it is equally correct to identify the Jewish race (..by their big noses!) as it is the Israeli race (by their all living in Israel).

Originally posted by Cleffy

I have always been pro-annexation of Mexico, and all of central america down to Panama.  Much smaller border to patrol.

No, I don't want Mexicans and the rest of Central America running the U.S.A.

Originally posted by Cleffy

I have always been pro-annexation of Mexico, and all of central america down to Panama.  Much smaller border to patrol.

Why do those people not have the right to self-governance? Why do they have to lose their sovereignty? Especially when some of those countries are a lot better at some things than we are?

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by murdera2k6

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

No one is "discriminating" against your race because they don't let you come to the US illegally, and give you all the rights of a US citizen. 

Citizenship is not about race. If you are white as snow, and immigrated to Mexico  from Ireland, and had lily white children there, those children are Mexican. 

That is their nationality, not their race. 

 

Just like Americans come from Africa, Europe, China, Japan, etc. American is their nationality, not their race. 

If you are not American, you must have permission to be in the United States. 

This has nothing to do with your race, or your color. 

 

The real agenda behind those opposed to the Arizona laws against illegal immigrants, is that they support open borders with Mexico. 

They support all Mexicans having all the same rights as American Citizens. They dont' say this openly, becuase they know this will not be well received, but they do not support securing the borders in any way. 

But, they don't want the US to have any control over Mexico. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to allow Mexico to remain a corrupt lawless country, which is what creates their poverty, and at the same time let all Mexicans have all rights of US citizenship. 

You can't have both. if you want open borders, then the US will have to run Mexico so it is no longer corrupt, which is what creates the poverty there. 

If you dont' want to clean up the corruption in Mexico, then the borders must remain closed. Take your pick. 

 

But what makes you an American? Place of birth? Nationality Papers? or that you hold American values?

 

United States Law. that's what makes you American. 

The law changes. Right now you can become an American many ways. You can be born here, you can also become naturalized, and you can qualify to be naturalized by being a permanent resident for various amounts of time, depending on if you are married to a US citizen or not. 

You cannot become a US citizen if you have committed a crime of "moral turpitude" generally a crime of theft or violence against another person. 

Are you saying that someone in Mexico "holds American values" so that means he or she should be able to vote for the US President, or qualify for all the benefits of a US citizen?

No what i was driving at was; if you are an American National but you don't believe in freedom of speech (or anything else that is anti-american) , does that make you unamerican?

And how would you ever quantify or qualify that? Someone just says "I hold American values" and that's it, they can be an American? I don't think so. 

You are American because of American Law. 

If you fall within those laws, you are a citizen of the US, and if you don't, you are not. 

No country has ever remained a nation with open borders. The US won't either. 

The cry of "racism" is a red herring by people that want open borders, pure and simple. It has nothing to do with race, or white or black or brown color of your skin. 

I think in most cases that might be true but you definately get some people that just don't like the colour of you skin (as you do in most countries) but what matters is how vocal these people are.

American = obeying the goverment

Unamerican = disobeying/critizising the goverment

Thats what it means these days anyway

Originally posted by Mellow44

American = obeying the goverment

Unamerican = disobeying/critizising the goverment

Thats what it means these days anyway

Only when a Progressive is in the Executive Office.

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by Cleffy

I have always been pro-annexation of Mexico, and all of central america down to Panama.  Much smaller border to patrol.

Why do those people not have the right to self-governance? Why do they have to lose their sovereignty? Especially when some of those countries are a lot better at some things than we are?

it's not that, he just likes ripping off Ron White skits to sound cool:

Ron White on "Paying for the War"

I have to agree spot on with the OP post.  It's one of those touchy issues, and they cry racism to gain support.  It's about the only way they can gain sympathy and support.  You'll notice they never really argue the law, they only want to talk about white vs brown, american vs mexican...nevermind that they're breaking the law to be in this country illegally in the first place.  Nevermind that they've jumped ahead of thousands of others that are trying to gain citizenship legally (like my aunt who has been waiting for 2 years to gain legal citizenship).

To cities and people wanting to boycott Arizona?  Gosh how stupid can people be?  You'll only be hurting fellow Americans that live there, you'll be hurting the legal and illegal immigrants living there.  Jebuz use your heads people.

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by Cleffy

I have always been pro-annexation of Mexico, and all of central america down to Panama.  Much smaller border to patrol.

Why do those people not have the right to self-governance? Why do they have to lose their sovereignty? Especially when some of those countries are a lot better at some things than we are?

 

it's not that, he just likes ripping off Ron White skits to sound cool:

Ron White on "Paying for the War"

Just watched it.

What he doesn't get is that if Mexico and most of central america becomes the USA then all those people living there becomes legal US citizens.

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Mellow44

American = obeying the goverment

Unamerican = disobeying/critizising the goverment

Thats what it means these days anyway

Only when a Progressive is in the Executive Office.

Is this a fucking joke, or were you in a coma from 9/11 until the Iraq War?

EDIT: Here's where "George W. Bush was a progressive" comes in. Would be funny if it wasn't completely false.

Originally posted by Mardy

I have to agree spot on with the OP post.  It's one of those touchy issues, and they cry racism to gain support.  It's about the only way they can gain sympathy and support.  You'll notice they never really argue the law, they only want to talk about white vs brown, american vs mexican...nevermind that they're breaking the law to be in this country illegally in the first place.  Nevermind that they've jumped ahead of thousands of others that are trying to gain citizenship legally (like my aunt who has been waiting for 2 years to gain legal citizenship).

 

To cities and people wanting to boycott Arizona?  Gosh how stupid can people be?  You'll only be hurting fellow Americans that live there, you'll be hurting the legal and illegal immigrants living there.  Jebuz use your heads people.

wow, only 2 years?  Members of my family waited anywhere from 8 to 29 years because people were jumping the fence...

Originally posted by baff

Spot on.

Typically your nationality is defined by your place of birth. It is possible to become a naturalised citizen in a new country. Each country has it's own mechanics and requirements for this.

 

Semantically race is a funny word. While race can describe a physical or hereditary connection between people, it can equally correctly define a connection by nationality.

So it is equally correct to identify the Jewish race (..by their big noses!) as it is the Israeli race (by their all living in Israel).

Well I was born in the Philippines as an American citizen, (Clark AB considered US soil at the time) but when I turned 18, I was able to attain dual citizenship status and have two passports.  I guess I'm Phil-Am, but everyone in the sun belt tries to speak Spanish to me and labels me Mexican....  

So am I an American first, or Filipino first?  shit, I'm even confused now lol... 

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Mellow44

American = obeying the goverment

Unamerican = disobeying/critizising the goverment

Thats what it means these days anyway

Only when a Progressive is in the Executive Office.

Is this a fucking joke, or were you in a coma from 9/11 until the Iraq War?

EDIT: Here's where "George W. Bush was a progressive" comes in. Would be funny if it wasn't completely false.

Here's a quick little link for you. Seems it was just fine to protest Bush but now things have changed and protesting Obama is not ok. So, were you the one in a coma?

Originally posted by Mellow44

Originally posted by BaronJuJu

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by Cleffy

I have always been pro-annexation of Mexico, and all of central america down to Panama.  Much smaller border to patrol.

Why do those people not have the right to self-governance? Why do they have to lose their sovereignty? Especially when some of those countries are a lot better at some things than we are?

 

it's not that, he just likes ripping off Ron White skits to sound cool:

Ron White on "Paying for the War"

Just watched it.

What he doesn't get is that if Mexico and most of central america becomes the USA then all those people living there becomes legal US citizens.

The problem is the way Mexico is run. It is corrupt. 

I"m not saying the US is devoid of corruption, but it sure ain't Mexico. 

If the corruption were cleaned up in Mexico, the Mexicans could get good jobs there, and would not have to come to the US illegally. 

but the corruption is NEVER going to be cleaned up in Mexico, when the people that get fed up with it are just shoved across the border to the US. 

Close the border, or take over Mexico and install American government. 

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Mellow44

American = obeying the goverment

Unamerican = disobeying/critizising the goverment

Thats what it means these days anyway

Only when a Progressive is in the Executive Office.

Is this a fucking joke, or were you in a coma from 9/11 until the Iraq War?

EDIT: Here's where "George W. Bush was a progressive" comes in. Would be funny if it wasn't completely false.

Here's a quick little link for you. Seems it was just fine to protest Bush but now things have changed and protesting Obama is not ok. So, were you the one in a coma?

Who said that protesting Obama is not OK? Some blogger? Oh noes.