Originally posted by Darkholme

I think that the payment model is fine, and actually pretty cool for a game like this. This games downfall, if anything, will be because it is basically Global Agenda in a "GTA" style setting. The main issues are that there is very little persistance aside from your character, and a lot of heavy instancing. I personally really dislike this trend with "MMOGs" lately with the heavy instancing, FPS style and lack of persistance. A lot of people see it as evolving and/or innovating, but it seems rather like an illusion of such to me... I am sure a lot of people will find it fun for a while, but the things that it lacks compared to a classic MMORPG will turn off many gamers expecting more depth and persistance out of their MMOG experience.

 Heavy instancing is what turned me away from DDO and STO. Its to bad they did not make the game world a little more presistant. It looks like a lot of F N fun though.

So just because you disagree with a few things about the game it will flop?

The game sounds pretty cool, although, I think it could be quite a bit cooler.

The subscriptions are fine. There's no other free to play FPS out there with 100 player battles, and this game has a cool concept.

People just aren't used to paying to play for FPS games. It's probably going to become more mainstream though. Look at Global Agenda... if that didn't flop there's no reason to think this will.

EDIT:typo

APB will not flop...

Reasons why will come in due time...

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

APB will not flop...

Reasons why will come in due time...

 I agree, im still thinking of giving it a whirl. its a damn nice change to ALL the damn fantasy mmos/mmog's. dont get me wrong i love the fantasy setting...its like having a favorite movie and watching it 4 times a day, for 6months strait.after awhile it gets old.

Originally posted by zaylin

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

APB will not flop...

Reasons why will come in due time...

 I agree, im still thinking of giving it a whirl. its a damn nice change to ALL the damn fantasy mmos/mmog's. dont get me wrong i love the fantasy setting...its like having a favorite movie and watching it 4 times a day, for 6months strait.after awhile it gets old.

 people seem to love it. but they will have to get the stuttering under control

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by zaylin

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

APB will not flop...

Reasons why will come in due time...

 I agree, im still thinking of giving it a whirl. its a damn nice change to ALL the damn fantasy mmos/mmog's. dont get me wrong i love the fantasy setting...its like having a favorite movie and watching it 4 times a day, for 6months strait.after awhile it gets old.

 people seem to love it. but they will have to get the stuttering under control

 Down loading the beta now :)

sweet i was just on my foot fell asleep XD

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Xianthos

Are these 50 vs 50 rounds or only 100 people in social zone?

What does it offer besides "FPS"? Yeah customisation fluff, but i doubt that is a reason to play the game.

This strategy reminds the way Global Agenda went, except they want from start on subscription ...

 

 the game is more like Co than global agenda but its all pvp instead of pve its 100 people poor any zone instance to prevent over crowding.

global agenda is like BF2. APB is diffent just trust me

 Ofc its different...its worse.

Originally posted by paterah

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Xianthos

Are these 50 vs 50 rounds or only 100 people in social zone?

What does it offer besides "FPS"? Yeah customisation fluff, but i doubt that is a reason to play the game.

This strategy reminds the way Global Agenda went, except they want from start on subscription ...

 

 the game is more like Co than global agenda but its all pvp instead of pve its 100 people poor any zone instance to prevent over crowding.

global agenda is like BF2. APB is diffent just trust me

 Ofc its different...its worse.

 cant compare them they dont even play the same

Originally posted by Calind0r

First off its not a true MMO, its a CO game (similar to Guild Wars), the Payment method is ridiculous, this is not the kind of game you want to pay a subscription for, it's a game you want to have on your shelf that you can start it up and play it any time you want without have to worry about setting up a subscription...I personally don't think it's the type of game like World of Warcraft where you can put your life into it...It seems like they are just throwing a subscription on top of the game because they can...

 

I think too many people will be pushed away by a subscription system for this, and the game doesn't have enough hype going for it to get a healthy population otherwise.

You forgot one:

Because I, Calind0r, want it to flop.

If people don't want something to fail, it typically never does. Your push for failure might be the very last bit needed to push it over the edge.

Stand firm in your beliefs and desires!

One reason this will NOT be a flop. LOL my wife was watching a video I was watching (mind you shes not a gamer nor has played any mmos), and she said to me "Damn that looks like a lot of fun, id play that'. Now coming from a Non gamer,and one who is not into mmos/mmog ,honestly tells me something. and your right if people want something to fail more times than not it can or will. people are just affraid of change OR affraid to many people will leave there game,to the point of no return.

Originally posted by zaylin

One reason this will NOT be a flop. LOL my wife was watching a video I was watching (mind you shes not a gamer nor has played any mmos), and she said to me "Damn that looks like a lot of fun, id play that'. Now coming from a Non gamer,and one who is not into mmos/mmog ,honestly tells me something. and your right if people want something to fail more times than not it can or will. people are just affraid of change OR affraid to many people will leave there game,to the point of no return.

lucky for rtw, the game does make for good videos.

Originally posted by Calind0r

I think too many people will be pushed away by a subscription system for this, and the game doesn't have enough hype going for it to get a healthy population otherwise.

 High greens fees keeps houligans off the golf course too, if you can't pay the fees young blood you might just not be wanted.

That's just a joke by the way. The sub fee is only nine dollars a month so it's less than most p2p mmos out.

Originally posted by Howard22

I don't understand.   I mean i know people on the internet are completely retarded, but im not understanding the issue regarding payment.   I pay $14.99 for SWG right now cause its the only MMO I actually have fun playing right now.  But APB has it so you can pay for hours of gameplay, or you can play $9.99 a month for a subscription.   So APB is $5 cheaper than the standard right now, and people are complaining?   Like im really at a loss of words.  You pay LESS than WoW or anyother MMO out there.  Am I missing something.  Could someone explain it to me?

you're a small fish in a big pond

There is one thing I can say for this game, it seems to have the most incredible character creation system I have ever seen.

The problem is that , for me at least, I think it will turn out like my experience with CIty of Heroes and Champions Online....

It's a whole lot more fun creating the characters than actually playing them. I could be wrong, but that's my hunch. 

I'm playing it.

I like customizing things.

Originally posted by Vhaln

Originally posted by Phry

Originally posted by downtoearth

 sadly i get bored with just shooters

and their being a better shooter is pure opinion... and, as has already been stated. APB isnt just a shooter.. thankfully.. i see APB as being a hell of a lot more fun, and thats the only important point to consider imo..  i'll be buying it as soon as it hits the shops!

 

What is APB besides a shooter?  Aside from the customization - or is that all it takes to make it more than "just a shooter?"

 

Well you can write and share music, visit clubs etc... It has a whole social side as well.

There is one thing I will say, Red Dead Redemption. While it's not a persistent world, with a persistent persona. It does offer very similar gameplay. At least when referring to it's multiplayer functionality. Seemingly of course as I've yet to play either. I have followed them both closely though.

RDR has no monthly fee which if it weren't for that I might go with APB. I already have a sub based MMO I plan on playing for quite some time in AOC. Which means it's RDR for me, I'll get my shooting, and criminal fixes from that I'm sure. If APB were free I'd definitely go with it.

Originally posted by Malickie

There is one thing I will say, Red Dead Redemption. While it's not a persistent world, with a persistent persona. It does offer very similar gameplay. At least when referring to it's multiplayer functionality. Seemingly of course as I've yet to play either. I have followed them both closely though.

RDR has no monthly fee which if it weren't for that I might go with APB. I already have a sub based MMO I plan on playing for quite some time in AOC. Which means it's RDR for me, I'll get my shooting, and criminal fixes from that I'm sure. If APB were free I'd definitely go with it.

I'll definitly play both. I don't think it's all black and white on this one. Though similar, both games offer something interresting and different. RDR offers something called "Free roam" in its multiplayer, which could be compared to APB, trick is, it's only 16 players... In a freaking huge map... Not saying it won't be fun, like I said, I'll play both. I've preordered RDR and can't wait for next week to get my hands on it.

APB, on the other hand, offers 100 persons in a somewhat confined space. A lot of customisation. Group-oriented, fast-paced, skill-based combat...

I'll play APB and I'll just stop subscribing if I ever get bored. They offer an interresting payment model, lower than most of the other MMOs out there.

Originally posted by Malickie

There is one thing I will say, Red Dead Redemption. While it's not a persistent world, with a persistent persona. It does offer very similar gameplay. At least when referring to it's multiplayer functionality. Seemingly of course as I've yet to play either. I have followed them both closely though.

RDR has no monthly fee which if it weren't for that I might go with APB. I already have a sub based MMO I plan on playing for quite some time in AOC. Which means it's RDR for me, I'll get my shooting, and criminal fixes from that I'm sure. If APB were free I'd definitely go with it.

Only for consoles...if on pc id hit it hard