Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

Then you didn't read it.

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

What else do you expect from the brigade that screams about "liberty" when they only mean it for certain people?

Typical conservative hypocrisy at its finest.

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by opponents of this bill is the Arizona bill mirrors, almost exactly, the Federal law in which aliens must register and carry documentation at all times and present it when requested. This bill only reinforces the Federal law on a state level. It's because the law at the federal level is not being enforced is why this bill has come to fruition. Four more states have announced they will pass similar laws.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see illegals are costing this country in billions for health care costs, school costs, social costs, etc. When they cross our border without permission, they are criminals, no matter their intent.

Remember the quote, by true liberals of the 60's and 70's, is "when the leaders fail to lead the people, the people must lead the leaders." Our leaders are not enforcing our laws - the people are now. This is what is right and what the people of this country - not the racist opponents of this bill want.

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by proponents of this bill is the Arizona bill does not mirror, at all, the Federal law in which US Citizens DO NOT have to carry proof of ID on them at all times.  This bill is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens just to aim at the justified hatred against illegal immigrants.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see that this is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens that either live in Arizona or wish to visit Arizona. When any US citizne cross into Arizona and do not have the proper ID, which is not required by any Federal law for any other purpose except for driving, when questioned by law enforcement is considered a criminial.

Remember the statements by conservatives who rails against liberals and state that liberals are taking away our rights and freedoms.  Yet, the very AZ law does this and many conservatives are proponents of the bill.  conservative hypocristy yet again.

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

Then you didn't read it.

Good job on ass-u-ming on your part.  I certainly did read this bill.  Wanna try to refute my strong and accurate stance without the assumptions?

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

I guess you can no longer pretend to be someone else when a law enforcement officer pulls you over.

ASS-U-mption of what my intentions are.  You failed as usual.

In most states a officer can detain you til proper I.D is shown. I am surprised Arizona is one of the last states to do this. In Kentucky you can both get arrested and fined without proper I.D.

Proof?  If it is so, then the conservative hypocrisy is delving even deeper with allowing this fascism to continue.

In 2011 if states like California do not have Real I.D active in which they resist. The citizenry of that state will no longer be able to get plane flights anywhere in the U.S, enter government building, nor apply for any federal program.

Key words are "plane flights", "enter government building", "apply for federal program".  Nowhere in that statements does that include, "walking, jogging, shopping, etc... down a street".

Doesnt that make your day! Are you not glad everyone must have proper I.D!

Lies.  It's humerous how you all fight for citizens' rights and freedoms from being taken away from the "liberal" government, then cheer when they pass a law that aims at stopping illegal immigration, yet restricts US citizens' rights and freedom as well.  Geeze... conservative hypocrisy is so grand in the US.

How dare they pass a law that requires folks to do .... what Federal law already requires folks to do!

Lies again.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

Then you didn't read it.

Good job on ass-u-ming on your part.  I certainly did read this bill.  Wanna try to refute my strong and accurate stance without the assumptions?

Ah, yes more name calling. Congratulations.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

I guess you can no longer pretend to be someone else when a law enforcement officer pulls you over.

ASS-U-mption of what my intentions are.  You failed as usual.

In most states a officer can detain you til proper I.D is shown. I am surprised Arizona is one of the last states to do this. In Kentucky you can both get arrested and fined without proper I.D.

Proof?  If it is so, then the conservative hypocrisy is delving even deeper with allowing this fascism to continue.

In 2011 if states like California do not have Real I.D active in which they resist. The citizenry of that state will no longer be able to get plane flights anywhere in the U.S, enter government building, nor apply for any federal program.

Key words are "plane flights", "enter government building", "apply for federal program".  Nowhere in that statements does that include, "walking, jogging, shopping, etc... down a street".

Doesnt that make your day! Are you not glad everyone must have proper I.D!

Lies.  It's humerous how you all fight for citizens' rights and freedoms from being taken away from the "liberal" government, then cheer when they pass a law that aims at stopping illegal immigration, yet restricts US citizens' rights and freedom as well.  Geeze... conservative hypocrisy is so grand in the US.

How dare they pass a law that requires folks to do .... what Federal law already requires folks to do!

Lies again.

You can QQ more about this all you want Vato. Really does not matter! Calling laws already in effect"LIES" thats CLASSIC!

Its ok to keep denying.  You are still going to require it.  I am not trying to be a jerk. Just you as well as a few others here keep trying to deny "Reality". It is ok. Reality will smack you when you least expect it.

Actually Law enforcement officials can already detain you if they are suspicious of criminal activity or have reason to believe you are a criminal. They also retain the lawful action of asking for your I.D. Failure to do so in many states is considered a crime and will be treated as such. All you have to do is watch the T.V show Cops to see this in action.

I do not find it amusing that you are arguing for illegals and criminals rather than both U.S citizens and legal immigrants in this country. You give good reason why many in this country find the left disgusting and sick. As well as  liberalism should be treated as a "Mental Disorder".

Originally posted by Vato26

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by proponents of this bill is the Arizona bill does not mirror, at all, the Federal law in which US Citizens DO NOT have to carry proof of ID on them at all times.  This bill is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens just to aim at the justified hatred against illegal immigrants.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see that this is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens that either live in Arizona or wish to visit Arizona. When any US citizne cross into Arizona and do not have the proper ID, which is not required by any Federal law for any other purpose except for driving, when questioned by law enforcement is considered a criminial.

Remember the statements by conservatives who rails against liberals and state that liberals are taking away our rights and freedoms.  Yet, the very AZ law does this and many conservatives are proponents of the bill.  conservative hypocristy yet again.

You're useless to speak to as you are simply imagining items which are not present. You've obviously not read the bill in its entirety, or, I am willing to bet, a portion of it. There is no where in the bill where it says "People must carry ID at all times". None at all. If that is at all what you beleive, then you are completely uneducated to be reading legal documents.

Even if it did, what right, dare I ask, can you pathetically attempt to argue is being restricted?

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

What else do you expect from the brigade that screams about "liberty" when they only mean it for certain people?

Typical conservative hypocrisy at its finest.

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by opponents of this bill is the Arizona bill mirrors, almost exactly, the Federal law in which aliens must register and carry documentation at all times and present it when requested. This bill only reinforces the Federal law on a state level. It's because the law at the federal level is not being enforced is why this bill has come to fruition. Four more states have announced they will pass similar laws.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see illegals are costing this country in billions for health care costs, school costs, social costs, etc. When they cross our border without permission, they are criminals, no matter their intent.

Remember the quote, by true liberals of the 60's and 70's, is "when the leaders fail to lead the people, the people must lead the leaders." Our leaders are not enforcing our laws - the people are now. This is what is right and what the people of this country - not the racist opponents of this bill want.

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by proponents of this bill is the Arizona bill does not mirror, at all, the Federal law in which US Citizens DO NOT have to carry proof of ID on them at all times.  This bill is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens just to aim at the justified hatred against illegal immigrants.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see that this is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens that either live in Arizona or wish to visit Arizona. When any US citizne cross into Arizona and do not have the proper ID, which is not required by any Federal law for any other purpose except for driving, when questioned by law enforcement is considered a criminial.

Remember the statements by conservatives who rails against liberals and state that liberals are taking away our rights and freedoms.  Yet, the very AZ law does this and many conservatives are proponents of the bill.  conservative hypocristy yet again.

So your assertion is this: You have a run in with immigration officials. The official demands to see some identification. You say no. Then they say, "Alright sir, you are free to go, have a nice day."

Originally posted by n2sooners

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

What else do you expect from the brigade that screams about "liberty" when they only mean it for certain people?

Typical conservative hypocrisy at its finest.

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by opponents of this bill is the Arizona bill mirrors, almost exactly, the Federal law in which aliens must register and carry documentation at all times and present it when requested. This bill only reinforces the Federal law on a state level. It's because the law at the federal level is not being enforced is why this bill has come to fruition. Four more states have announced they will pass similar laws.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see illegals are costing this country in billions for health care costs, school costs, social costs, etc. When they cross our border without permission, they are criminals, no matter their intent.

Remember the quote, by true liberals of the 60's and 70's, is "when the leaders fail to lead the people, the people must lead the leaders." Our leaders are not enforcing our laws - the people are now. This is what is right and what the people of this country - not the racist opponents of this bill want.

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by proponents of this bill is the Arizona bill does not mirror, at all, the Federal law in which US Citizens DO NOT have to carry proof of ID on them at all times.  This bill is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens just to aim at the justified hatred against illegal immigrants.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see that this is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens that either live in Arizona or wish to visit Arizona. When any US citizne cross into Arizona and do not have the proper ID, which is not required by any Federal law for any other purpose except for driving, when questioned by law enforcement is considered a criminial.

Remember the statements by conservatives who rails against liberals and state that liberals are taking away our rights and freedoms.  Yet, the very AZ law does this and many conservatives are proponents of the bill.  conservative hypocristy yet again.

So your assertion is this: You have a run in with immigration officials. The official demands to see some identification. You say no. Then they say, "Alright sir, you are free to go, have a nice day."

I would love to see that happen. Too bad it doesnt. I would love one of these morons to actually get stopped by the police without a I.D. To you guys who do not believe it. Why settle for us. Go ahead and run up to a police officer without I.D and ask him if its legal or not.

These guys are just trying to keep a base of voters. Only reason they are even arguing it. It has nothing to do with"Rights". But more so to do with votes. Its too bad these guys are truly insane! They will go to no ends with stupidity.

I am just waiting for this weekend to see how peaceful these liberal rallies are going to be. I doubt they are going to be peaceful. Just by reading the comments made by them in these forums.  Nothing worse than a liberal who is angry lashing out. They will do anything to force something. Even trying to force laws that already exist to a outcome they desire.

Too bad most Americans can tell them to Fuck OFF PUTA! :-D

How's this for a kick in the ass?  A Democratic congressman demands to see the ID of a townhall meeting attendee before he allows a question to be asked.  I wonder where he stands on Arizona's immigration law?

ID check

Originally posted by Zindaihas

How's this for a kick in the ass?  A Democratic congressman demands to see the ID of a townhall meeting attendee before he allows a question to be asked.  I wonder where he stands on Arizona's immigration law?

ID check

WOW, that is amazing. Just watched the video. They are trying very hard to stop whats going on in our country right now. Too bad for them its not going to work. Thanks for the video Zindalhas. I am going to add this to my stack-o-stuff.

Funny we as conservatives get all this actual evidence and then get called out by the left as liars. Then when they show evidence its some police marching at a Tea party event with no violence. Good Show!

The Real deal concerning illegal migrants:

Justice Department: Border Patrol Agents Assaulted Daily, Kidnappings Every 35 Hours in Phoenix, 1 in 5 Teens Using Drugs Predominantly Supplied by Mexican Traffickers. You can find the REAL story that the left media wont cover here! http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64910

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

Then you didn't read it.

Good job on ass-u-ming on your part.  I certainly did read this bill.  Wanna try to refute my strong and accurate stance without the assumptions?

Ah, yes more name calling. Congratulations.

Well, it fits with the age-old phrase, "when you assume, you are making an ass out of you and me."  So, it fits.  And you just dodged again.  Shows how weak your position actually is.

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

I guess you can no longer pretend to be someone else when a law enforcement officer pulls you over.

ASS-U-mption of what my intentions are.  You failed as usual.

In most states a officer can detain you til proper I.D is shown. I am surprised Arizona is one of the last states to do this. In Kentucky you can both get arrested and fined without proper I.D.

Proof?  If it is so, then the conservative hypocrisy is delving even deeper with allowing this fascism to continue.

In 2011 if states like California do not have Real I.D active in which they resist. The citizenry of that state will no longer be able to get plane flights anywhere in the U.S, enter government building, nor apply for any federal program.

Key words are "plane flights", "enter government building", "apply for federal program".  Nowhere in that statements does that include, "walking, jogging, shopping, etc... down a street".

Doesnt that make your day! Are you not glad everyone must have proper I.D!

Lies.  It's humerous how you all fight for citizens' rights and freedoms from being taken away from the "liberal" government, then cheer when they pass a law that aims at stopping illegal immigration, yet restricts US citizens' rights and freedom as well.  Geeze... conservative hypocrisy is so grand in the US.

How dare they pass a law that requires folks to do .... what Federal law already requires folks to do!

Lies again.

You can QQ more about this all you want Vato. Really does not matter! Calling laws already in effect"LIES" thats CLASSIC!

Its ok to keep denying.  You are still going to require it.  I am not trying to be a jerk. Just you as well as a few others here keep trying to deny "Reality". It is ok. Reality will smack you when you least expect it.

Actually Law enforcement officials can already detain you if they are suspicious of criminal activity or have reason to believe you are a criminal. They also retain the lawful action of asking for your I.D. Failure to do so in many states is considered a crime and will be treated as such. All you have to do is watch the T.V show Cops to see this in action.

Which means states have come to the point of fascism.

I do not find it amusing that you are arguing for illegals and criminals rather than both U.S citizens and legal immigrants in this country. You give good reason why many in this country find the left disgusting and sick. As well as  liberalism should be treated as a "Mental Disorder".

Seriously, your habitual lying has hit an all-time low.  Especially considering I have stated EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what you stated in other posts.  Just more proof of you being a habitual liar.

Yeah, that's more bullshit propaganda provided by you due to your hatred of liberals.  This deflection still doesn't stamp out the FACT that conservatives that are proponents of this bill are hypocrites.

It's official!  Conservatism is the new FASCISM!  No wonder they kept trying to pass that label onto liberals for so long.

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by Vato26

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by proponents of this bill is the Arizona bill does not mirror, at all, the Federal law in which US Citizens DO NOT have to carry proof of ID on them at all times.  This bill is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens just to aim at the justified hatred against illegal immigrants.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see that this is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens that either live in Arizona or wish to visit Arizona. When any US citizne cross into Arizona and do not have the proper ID, which is not required by any Federal law for any other purpose except for driving, when questioned by law enforcement is considered a criminial.

Remember the statements by conservatives who rails against liberals and state that liberals are taking away our rights and freedoms.  Yet, the very AZ law does this and many conservatives are proponents of the bill.  conservative hypocristy yet again.

You're useless to speak to as you are simply imagining items which are not present. You've obviously not read the bill in its entirety, or, I am willing to bet, a portion of it. There is no where in the bill where it says "People must carry ID at all times". None at all. If that is at all what you beleive, then you are completely uneducated to be reading legal documents.

Even if it did, what right, dare I ask, can you pathetically attempt to argue is being restricted?

No, but it states that if a law-enforcement agent asks you for identification, and you do not have any to provide them, then it is a crime.  Thus, that means that one has to carry their ID on them at all times in AZ, even to do menial tasks like walking, jogging, or shopping, unless they want to be a possible criminal casualty of this bill.  Before this bill, one could do these menial tasks without having to carry ID at all.  Thus, it is restricting the rights and freedoms of individuals to not carry ID on them to do menial tasks.  I guess logical conclusions are not your strong suit.

ASS-U-mption of my qualifications.

I have already stated, ad nauseum, what my position is on the subject.  Despite what you all claim, it is based on reality, fact, and logic.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

I guess you can no longer pretend to be someone else when a law enforcement officer pulls you over.

ASS-U-mption of what my intentions are.  You failed as usual.

In most states a officer can detain you til proper I.D is shown. I am surprised Arizona is one of the last states to do this. In Kentucky you can both get arrested and fined without proper I.D.

Proof?  If it is so, then the conservative hypocrisy is delving even deeper with allowing this fascism to continue.

In 2011 if states like California do not have Real I.D active in which they resist. The citizenry of that state will no longer be able to get plane flights anywhere in the U.S, enter government building, nor apply for any federal program.

Key words are "plane flights", "enter government building", "apply for federal program".  Nowhere in that statements does that include, "walking, jogging, shopping, etc... down a street".

Doesnt that make your day! Are you not glad everyone must have proper I.D!

Lies.  It's humerous how you all fight for citizens' rights and freedoms from being taken away from the "liberal" government, then cheer when they pass a law that aims at stopping illegal immigration, yet restricts US citizens' rights and freedom as well.  Geeze... conservative hypocrisy is so grand in the US.

How dare they pass a law that requires folks to do .... what Federal law already requires folks to do!

Lies again.

You can QQ more about this all you want Vato. Really does not matter! Calling laws already in effect"LIES" thats CLASSIC!

Its ok to keep denying.  You are still going to require it.  I am not trying to be a jerk. Just you as well as a few others here keep trying to deny "Reality". It is ok. Reality will smack you when you least expect it.

Actually Law enforcement officials can already detain you if they are suspicious of criminal activity or have reason to believe you are a criminal. They also retain the lawful action of asking for your I.D. Failure to do so in many states is considered a crime and will be treated as such. All you have to do is watch the T.V show Cops to see this in action.

Which means states have come to the point of fascism.

I do not find it amusing that you are arguing for illegals and criminals rather than both U.S citizens and legal immigrants in this country. You give good reason why many in this country find the left disgusting and sick. As well as  liberalism should be treated as a "Mental Disorder".

Seriously, your habitual lying has hit an all-time low.  Especially considering I have stated EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what you stated in other posts.  Just more proof of you being a habitual liar.

Yeah, that's more bullshit propaganda provided by you due to your hatred of liberals.  This deflection still doesn't stamp out the FACT that conservatives that are proponents of this bill are hypocrites.

It's official!  Conservatism is the new FASCISM!  No wonder they kept trying to pass that label onto liberals for so long.

Tell that to all the E.U nations that require I.D Deflection? Like I said, why dont you go run up to a cop and ask him about I.D laws. Its not fascism. Its the LAW. The difference.

I dont hate liberals Vato, I feel sorry for them. You stating the opposite of what I am saying does not mean I am a liar. But it does mean we have opposing views. Which as far as I know concerning Freedom of Speech is quite acceptable.

You do not have to like what I write or say. I know there are comments you say I do not like. But that does not mean either of us are liars. As we both believe in what we say or do. Well in your case I hope so. But none the less now being labeled a FASCIST because I believe its proper to have Identification is quite absurd. Actually retarded. But you believe what you want. Ill do the same.

By the way, quit whining so much. Makes me think someone needs a diaper change.

Originally posted by n2sooners

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by Dekron

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

What else do you expect from the brigade that screams about "liberty" when they only mean it for certain people?

Typical conservative hypocrisy at its finest.

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by opponents of this bill is the Arizona bill mirrors, almost exactly, the Federal law in which aliens must register and carry documentation at all times and present it when requested. This bill only reinforces the Federal law on a state level. It's because the law at the federal level is not being enforced is why this bill has come to fruition. Four more states have announced they will pass similar laws.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see illegals are costing this country in billions for health care costs, school costs, social costs, etc. When they cross our border without permission, they are criminals, no matter their intent.

Remember the quote, by true liberals of the 60's and 70's, is "when the leaders fail to lead the people, the people must lead the leaders." Our leaders are not enforcing our laws - the people are now. This is what is right and what the people of this country - not the racist opponents of this bill want.

Again, a point which is continuosly ignored by proponents of this bill is the Arizona bill does not mirror, at all, the Federal law in which US Citizens DO NOT have to carry proof of ID on them at all times.  This bill is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens just to aim at the justified hatred against illegal immigrants.

You people simply stick your head in the sand and do not wish to see that this is restricting the rights and freedoms of US citizens that either live in Arizona or wish to visit Arizona. When any US citizne cross into Arizona and do not have the proper ID, which is not required by any Federal law for any other purpose except for driving, when questioned by law enforcement is considered a criminial.

Remember the statements by conservatives who rails against liberals and state that liberals are taking away our rights and freedoms.  Yet, the very AZ law does this and many conservatives are proponents of the bill.  conservative hypocristy yet again.

So your assertion is this: You have a run in with immigration officials. The official demands to see some identification. You say no. Then they say, "Alright sir, you are free to go, have a nice day."

No... this has nothing to do with immigration officials.  This has to do with common police officers REQUIRING US citizens (I'm not even including illegals in my argument) to carry ID on them at all times (before, they didn't have to for menial tasks), for fear of any citizen being targeted by police, who would request ID and being a criminal if the citizen doesn't have any ID.

And, before any of the proponents jump down my throat on this and state "they don't do blind searches!", my point refers to two things:

1. Police request ID during any potentially criminal questioning.  Before, citizens didn't have to carry ID on them during menial, non-driving tasks.  Now they do for fear of doing something stupid, getting questioned by police, and having no ID to present, which automatically makes them criminals.
2. You all claim that the police will follow this to a "T" and won't do any searches of citizens for ID outside of the bill's requirements.  You all place way too much faith in the lack of corruption in today's police force in many cities.  To give police even more power is to make them even more susceptible to corruption.  Of course, conservatives claim the same thing for government (giving government too much power is a bad thing as they are... "corrupt"), yet AZ is doing that very thing with this bill.

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by xpowderx

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

I guess you can no longer pretend to be someone else when a law enforcement officer pulls you over.

ASS-U-mption of what my intentions are.  You failed as usual.

In most states a officer can detain you til proper I.D is shown. I am surprised Arizona is one of the last states to do this. In Kentucky you can both get arrested and fined without proper I.D.

Proof?  If it is so, then the conservative hypocrisy is delving even deeper with allowing this fascism to continue.

In 2011 if states like California do not have Real I.D active in which they resist. The citizenry of that state will no longer be able to get plane flights anywhere in the U.S, enter government building, nor apply for any federal program.

Key words are "plane flights", "enter government building", "apply for federal program".  Nowhere in that statements does that include, "walking, jogging, shopping, etc... down a street".

Doesnt that make your day! Are you not glad everyone must have proper I.D!

Lies.  It's humerous how you all fight for citizens' rights and freedoms from being taken away from the "liberal" government, then cheer when they pass a law that aims at stopping illegal immigration, yet restricts US citizens' rights and freedom as well.  Geeze... conservative hypocrisy is so grand in the US.

How dare they pass a law that requires folks to do .... what Federal law already requires folks to do!

Lies again.

You can QQ more about this all you want Vato. Really does not matter! Calling laws already in effect"LIES" thats CLASSIC!

Its ok to keep denying.  You are still going to require it.  I am not trying to be a jerk. Just you as well as a few others here keep trying to deny "Reality". It is ok. Reality will smack you when you least expect it.

Actually Law enforcement officials can already detain you if they are suspicious of criminal activity or have reason to believe you are a criminal. They also retain the lawful action of asking for your I.D. Failure to do so in many states is considered a crime and will be treated as such. All you have to do is watch the T.V show Cops to see this in action.

Which means states have come to the point of fascism.

I do not find it amusing that you are arguing for illegals and criminals rather than both U.S citizens and legal immigrants in this country. You give good reason why many in this country find the left disgusting and sick. As well as  liberalism should be treated as a "Mental Disorder".

Seriously, your habitual lying has hit an all-time low.  Especially considering I have stated EXACTLY OPPOSITE of what you stated in other posts.  Just more proof of you being a habitual liar.

Yeah, that's more bullshit propaganda provided by you due to your hatred of liberals.  This deflection still doesn't stamp out the FACT that conservatives that are proponents of this bill are hypocrites.

It's official!  Conservatism is the new FASCISM!  No wonder they kept trying to pass that label onto liberals for so long.

Tell that to all the E.U nations that require I.D Deflection? Like I said, why dont you go run up to a cop and ask him about I.D laws. Its not fascism. Its the LAW. The difference.

Laws can perpetuate fascism.  How else do you think Hitler controlled all of the German citizens to keep them from hiding Jews?  Yes, through laws that perpetuated fear.

I dont hate liberals Vato, I feel sorry for them. You stating the opposite of what I am saying does not mean I am a liar. But it does mean we have opposing views. Which as far as I know concerning Freedom of Speech is quite acceptable.

You're posting history says otherwise on your claim that you only "feel sorry for them".  This is especially true for your "predictions" (wishful thinking) that liberals are going to be physically forced out in November.  And, no, you specifically stated that I'm "arguing for illegals and criminals", which I have specifically stated, on NUMEROUS times, that I am anti-illegal immigration.  Therefore, you are LYING.  You can't spin that any other way.

You do not have to like what I write or say. I know there are comments you say I do not like. But that does not mean either of us are liars. As we both believe in what we say or do. Well in your case I hope so. But none the less now being labeled a FASCIST because I believe its proper to have Identification is quite absurd. Actually retarded. But you believe what you want. Ill do the same.

Woot... here comes a national ID system.  Next satellite tracking of every individual in the US via their ID.  Giving big brother even more power is exactly AGAINST what conservatives have been spewing for years.

By the way, quit whining so much. Makes me think someone needs a diaper change.

Typical failed insult by xpowederx.  Typical, pathetic, and sad.

I am done with this thread.  I have stated my position, based on reality, facts, and logic, with accuracy.  Yet, many have argued against it.  Yet, none of these arguments against have actually squashed my factual statements.  Thus, I hold no hope that anyone actually will squash my factual arguments.  Therefore, I am done with this thread as it is a complete waste of time to keep parroting my same argument to the ones who can't understand my argument.

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by seabass2003

Originally posted by Vato26

Originally posted by sif-lawd

Originally posted by slashbeast

This bill is justified and I support it 110%.

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

-- Benjamin Franklin

Well said.  The hypocrisy of conservatives is never more pronounced than with this bill.  Arguing against the left for stifling citizens' rights... then backing this bill when it directly restricts citizens' rights.

The great hypocritical machine in action.

This doesn't restrict any rights. No one is sacrificing liberty for security. In fact the only thing happening is people are being arrested for *GASP* breaking the law of being here illegally.

Umm... yes it is.  I'll try to make this as plain as I can so you can follow along.

 

Before:  Any US citizen can walk, jog, stroll, shop, etc... down the street in AZ without requiring any proof of ID.  That is their right.

After:  Any US citizen that is walking, jogging, strolling, shoping, etc... down the street in AZ without proof of ID is against the law if a police officer catches them.  That is a restriction of rights.

My argument has NOTHING to do with illegal immigrants.  I think they all should be shipped out of here when caught and any business that hires illegals should be fined heavily. 

However, no matter how much you argue against it, this bill is a direct restriction of the rights of any US citizen that enters AZ.

Here is the bill. Read it.

I saw nothing in that bill that invalidates my claims.  Nothing.

My claim still stands:

Before:  It was not illegal to not have proof of ID on you if questioned by officers.

After:  In AZ, it is now illegal to not have proof of ID when questioned by officers.

It's a restriction of people's freedoms and rights.  Plain-and-simple!

Then you didn't read it.

Good job on ass-u-ming on your part.  I certainly did read this bill.  Wanna try to refute my strong and accurate stance without the assumptions?

Ah, yes more name calling. Congratulations.

Well, it fits with the age-old phrase, "when you assume, you are making an ass out of you and me."  So, it fits.  And you just dodged again.  Shows how weak your position actually is.

As someone else stated no where does it say you are required to carry I.D. at all times. Although for green card and other aliens it is mandatory already.

I'll compare it with AZ's seatbelt law. It's illegal to not wear your safety belt but the officer cannot pull you over for that. If he pulls you over for speeding and sees you don't have your seatbelt on then you get busted for both. It's the same exact thing with this new law. Unless the police now have esp or a special radar that detects people walking around without I.D. there is no way they are going to stop you for not having an I.D. or for no reason.

So once again if you have committed a crime or are suspected of committing a crime AND they have reasonable suspicion you aren't a resident then they are going to ask for your I.D. Except that they already do this. Whenever a police officer stops you after doing something wrong the first thing they ask for is I.D.