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  MikeB

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OP  4/28/10 11:48:55 AM#1

MMORPG.com's Adam Tingle sets out on his fourth week of exploration in EVE Online as he writes about this adventures, good and bad, coming into the game for the first time.

While I had some human contact while playing the game, I wasn’t what you would call sociable. Many private conversations consisted of frustrated and ignored veterans trying to guide and seemingly groom me in some way and as such I didn’t have too many friends. My egotistical approach to survival had left me a loner and while in many ways learning the game on my own terms was a good move, it had left me with little to no contacts and this came back to bite me in the metaphorical space ass. I needed to branch out and mingle, I needed a corporation and I wasn’t sure how I would find one.

Read EVE Survivor Guy, Part Four.

Michael "MikeB" Bitton
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  Sovrath

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4/28/10 12:05:29 PM#2

hmmm, I don't know how things work in EVE but I would have done a wee bit more research on finding a corp.

  bartillo

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Joined: 9/05/05
Posts: 190

4/28/10 12:10:10 PM#3
You should join EVE University. I just started too eve too and just joined eve uni. I think you'd like it. They have classes like actual ones with instructors and hands on things like uhh "scouting 101" or something like that. There's tons of people. Everyones helpful. And your skill books are free pretty much. The uni covers them under 1 mill. But ya check out eve university... Join the chat channel "E-UNI" in game.
  Airwren

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Joined: 5/12/08
Posts: 654

4/28/10 12:14:19 PM#4

Thanks for the article Adam.  Reading these reminds me of my experiences in Eve Online which ultimately I enjoyed but there was enough of the feeling like I was in a void to eventually leave the game. lol  Eve University is a good starting point and there are actually several corporations that run noob training classes on combat etc.  It sounds a bit dodgy but they are usually well run and offer a lot of insight into the game.  As far as "epic conflicts", I just never got to that point in the game and I really did feel almost like an outsider looking in.  Ah well, I accrued a lot of "stuff" and a ton of ISK in my time there and it's sitting and waiting for the day I may return.  /shrug

  cosy

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Posts: 3306

EvE Rules #491 you should never, ever attack Russians on winter months

4/28/10 12:36:53 PM#5

awesome egoist story you want someone to dedicate time and effort to you even if u dint make anything to deserve that

 

when you know what u can offer to a corp seach for a corp that need that thing if u dont know that stay in a corp and develop something and then move to other corp changing corp just because they dint offer what you need

 

also is called corporation for a reason is not red cross or unicef

PD:EvEisNot4WoWkids
BestSigEver :P

  LordAdder

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"You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

4/28/10 2:22:03 PM#6

Another good read.   I like your writing style... kinda like reading a journal. 

Although I can't quite relate to your corp experience in this setting since I never joined someone else's EVE corp, I can't blame you for moving on so quickly from your first player-run corporation (kinda reminded me of my first and only experience in an EverQuest Guild though).  That definitely was not a corporation for a newbie.   I personally have two of my own corporations (each with a distinctly different philosophy and direction - Corp A:  ; Corp B: ) into which I have put all of my own characters from my three accounts.  My brother who lives across the country from me had his two accounts divided between the two corps also and we were just about ready to start recruiting after taking time to understand the nuances of running a corporation and training the appropiate and essential skills for doing so, when he suddenly quit playing a week ago for various reasons, which has left me hanging-out-to-dry - uncertain as to what I want to do now and strangely lonely since I am a solo player at heart.

Anyway, as has already been mentioned above, if your mind is set on joining a corp, you really should do a bit of research in the forums and by asking questions in the chat channels (the rookie help is probably gone from your list now anyway), or just join the Eve Uni corp.  I have had no dealings with them, but everything I hear is good.

Looking forward to the next episode.

~ Adder ~
Quick, Silent, Deadly

  User Deleted
4/28/10 2:28:17 PM#7

I wonder what he's flying now.

Its week four right?

This guys certainly doesn't do much each week.

  Rhaeldric

Novice Member

Joined: 11/06/08
Posts: 28

4/28/10 3:15:37 PM#8

Things you should try to spice your experience up:

 

  • Fly a T1 frigate into nullsec, mine an asteroid until your hold is full, then fly back.
  • Talk smack in local while in Jita.
  • Scan someone down in a high sec mission and salvage their loot while they're there.
  • Try to gank Chribba while in a T1 frigate, then post about it on the EVE forums.
  cosy

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EvE Rules #491 you should never, ever attack Russians on winter months

4/28/10 3:44:27 PM#9
Originally posted by Rockgod99


I wonder what he's flying now.

Its week four right?

This guys certainly doesn't do much each week.

 

should be on t1 BC working on learnings at lvl 4

PD:EvEisNot4WoWkids
BestSigEver :P

  wishsinger

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Joined: 11/30/07
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4/28/10 6:52:57 PM#10

Great Post, Adam.  I tried eve three times before finally 'getting' it enough to decide to stick with it.  Which confuses many people -- seeing a 5-year old character  with noob skills =)

I'm not sure if you actually read these posts, but my recommendation would be to try PVP if you haven't. 

There are some awesome PVP corps out there - some which are specifically designed to training newcomers to PVP and even give you free ships for a short time as you get into the game and get set up.  Generally as long as you can fly a Cruiser decently, you should be able to join a good PVP corps.  Regardless, there are many, MANY such groups in eve and many of them are great. 

If you want to try something really addicting in Eve, go for PVP - but do it right by finding an experienced PVP corp or alliance.  If you ask around the recruitment channels you're sure to find what you're looking for.  Otherwise, start looking at different alliance websites and look at killboards to see what big groups are out there actively PVPing. 

I'm sure many people will have opinions on this, and my perspective on PVP is still fairly green, but it has completely reinvented the game for me.  If you want informaiton on specific corps that help newbies start to PVP, don't hesitate to contact me.

Good luck and Fly Dangerously!

-- Cade

  sjp117

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Joined: 11/06/07
Posts: 3

4/28/10 7:09:55 PM#11

I don'y know. Maybe was lucky, but for me. My first corp I joined was the last corp I joined. I started playing when I was 14 years old (2007) in a matter of fact and I was very successful. I started in a mindset as a student more than a surviver since I knew I had no idea of the vastness of the world of EVE (and since I only know how to be a student in my age). I didn't join EVE University since I didn't know of its existence, but I joined a corp that seemed to have serious players. I carefully read their description and looked for a group of people who seemed to be serious people instead of players per say and I stumbled up on a corp that was run in a military fashion. I knew by the detail of their description that these were serious people. I joined them and I was treated as a new comer and I accepted that. I knew they knew more than me and I first followed them and evaluated and leaned from the mistakes we made (since this was a fairly new corp at the time).

 

This was the most stunning part of the people I played with. Our officers were never let down by any failures. After every lost battle we would never rage quit, we would all get together in a meeting and discuss what we did wrong and how we could improve, people rarely blamed others for mistakes and pressured them and gave me the impression that these guys are serious and not just normal players who just play for the sake of playing.

 

And I'm not sure if you are already doing this, but its a good idea to get into a corp that uses voice communication. It brings a whole level of personality to people then just reading text, and maybe even be able to differentiate what is a joke and an insult. and voice communication will also allow you to be a bigger present in an organization and be able to have you words heard and even create friendly relationship quicker, and get more help.

 

I'm sure there are more corps with people that I described. You just need to look carefully or even just pick a random corp with a reasonable amount of members and even try to contribute in the leadership by just trying to have you voice heard to older members. And what I think is the most important thing is to have an open mind.

 

EVE is not a place where you can just play the way you want to. Your trying to be s surviver in the cold world of EVE. If you try to use your ice cold solid mindset in here you can't get anywhere. You are only holding yourself back by being so static. You have to adapt to your surroundings. If you are with people who seem to not be able to help you properly you have to just get better by yourself, through research, but just because your corp can't help you properly doesn't mean you should just leave them. You have to learn, share, communicate, listen, observe, research and improve the corp you are in. You will never be a surviver alone in EVE, or last long and have fun.

 

What I think the whole concept of the world of EVE is that. It was never meant to be fun to be fun to survive. Even in real life, what is survival? Its to go beyond your comfort zone and thus very uncomfortable, which is not fun! And thus beats the reason to play a game. What made the game fun for me was to go through all the failures with people I can work with, people who I can relate with, people who I have become a part of their online life in EVE. Never during all my loss in EVE did I feel angry at my corp. I was only angry at my enemies who beat me and we would think of ways to beat them, NPC's or players.

 

This corp I was in later on became a large corp in a major 0.0 alliance (I will not state the name of this corp since I no longer play the game since early 2009 (my money flow was cut off by my father since I played too much -_-;)), even has a recruitment sister corp in highsec and still seems to be  in a stable growth. Would you not call that a survivor?? This was a little corp in high sec who in two years became reasonably large 0.0 corp.

 

So, to survive I think you should first of all get into a corp and become sociable person. I hope you realize that EVE is not a game you will survive in a short time frame. And I think the best tool in the game (like many MMO's) is not the ships, skills, or the items you have but the people at your side. If you can't find the right people for you? maybe its time to get off your ass and start adapting to the people around you and start changing people to be of use and on the way become friends and have fun.

  joe3eagles

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4/28/10 7:37:53 PM#12

^----- yeesh!  <blink, blink>

  wlvnspectre

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4/28/10 11:17:45 PM#13

  Adreu

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4/29/10 1:31:44 AM#14

Very enjoyable reads.

  greekgeek

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4/29/10 3:23:44 AM#15

Good read, just started the game a week ago so this is heloing in some ways

www.gofigureitout.ca

  Phry

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4/29/10 6:07:54 AM#16

well, one of his complaints seems to be that the corp was a bit on the quiet side, could be it wasnt that active of a corp, but maybe, just maybe, its because most corps use either vent or ts3 for comms, you really do have to have one or the other, so make sure you have a headphone/mic so you can be part of it.. there is no real bar against joining in pvp.. if you can fly a cruiser, or even a half decent frig you can be an asset.. but.. communicating is absolutely necessary.. though i do agree with one of the other posters where he said they should have researched their corp a bit more...

  User Deleted
4/29/10 6:13:30 AM#17
Originally posted by Phry

well, one of his complaints seems to be that the corp was a bit on the quiet side, could be it wasnt that active of a corp, but maybe, just maybe, its because most corps use either vent or ts3 for comms, you really do have to have one or the other, so make sure you have a headphone/mic so you can be part of it.. there is no real bar against joining in pvp.. if you can fly a cruiser, or even a half decent frig you can be an asset.. but.. communicating is absolutely necessary.. though i do agree with one of the other posters where he said they should have researched their corp a bit more...

He joined a basic mission/mining high sec corp. They tend to be a bit on the solo centric side.

Basically a bunch of people looking to get around the Npc corp tax and have use of a empire Pos.

These corps usually suck because they never talk in chat and generally get abused once their POS is found out (wardec's).

  LexStriker

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4/29/10 7:16:44 AM#18

Good read, thank you.

The first mistake that I saw was going into a Corp thinking that it was all about 'you'. That is setting yourself up for failure. Even after being in a Corp for over a year, I always logon with the attitude of 'what do you want me to do today?' If one does not know who to ask that of, then that is the next problem. A good Corp will always give one a point of contact, if not a mentor, when they first join their Corp.

As previously stated, joining a Corp on a whim or just because they seem nice, is again,  most likely, setting oneself up for failure. Most good Corps have websites and forums that are active, and a wealth of information. Also, do not expect others to spoon-feed you information. One needs to read and research Eve on their own and then ask questions about what they do not understand. This takes time, but time well spent if one wishes to enjoy playing the many, many aspects of Eve. Unlike many MMOG's out there, Eve is a long term project for a player, not something one can walk away from in six months thinking they have done everything.

However, we all started in one way or another here in Eve, and you are doing it your way... which is good. After one gets frustrated and crapped on enough, they will finally ask for help and be willing to accept it (if they do not quit first). Hopefully, one will find a Corp that will be willing to help in a meaningful way. Eve IS a very steep learning curve, and one will not learn everything in eight weeks... not even close. I have been here two years and I am always reading or exploring something, only to say 'Damn... I did not know that.. no wonder I was not getting it right.' There is always something new to learn on Eve... that is just the nature of the game.

Eve Online is Eve Online. It is like a nasty woman that can take you or leave you... and not care either way. If one walks away from Eve for whatever reason, it is not the fault of Eve. It is the fault of the player for not adapting, learning, and accepting the game for what it is... imo.

I wish All well and fly safe.

  Rodentofdoom

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4/29/10 8:22:41 AM#19
Originally posted by wishsinger

 

There are some awesome PVP corps out there

-- Cade

 There are a lot of bad ones aswell

 

he's been given the advice "join Eve Univercity" numerous times (via comments to all 4 of his articles).

 

2 possibilities are made apparent

he is either diliberately ignoring any advice given as comments to his articles

or more worryingly is totally not bothering to even read the comments to his articles

 

the first is plain stupitidy, most of the comments are comming from people who really HAVE been eve newbies, they are sharing what they know to help someone overcome the initial problems allmost everyone encounters in eve.

 

and if it's the 2nd ...... well thats just poor journalism

  Adamai

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4/29/10 8:34:48 AM#20

hahahhaha this dude is killing me, i havnt laughed so much at another noob ever. brilliant story mate and so real and believable.

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