Originally posted by Jorikuza

Anyone here who wants to get attention, defend STO in anyway!

But seriously, a lot of you just jumped on my post! :'P

Go buy STO and form an opinion of your own then come back and compare with what has been said. Only then will you understand the source of the negativity. I guarantee once you get used to the graphics and get over the initial "wow this is cool" factor and start to experience what the game is really like you'll find: shallow game play, content implemented via the fast track method of repetitiveness, progression that is too easy, gaps in the content and the ultimate dead end of the end levels.

You'll start off on a high and end up within a couple of weeks on a low.

By that point you'll be bored and reconsidering paying a subscription and deciding it's not worth it. There is more wrong with STO than I've mentioned above, that was just an example.

Originally posted by mezlabor

Originally posted by ktanner3

Too funny

"Wow, I'm not sure how this thread got to 18 pages without being closed.

I think that is an "I quit" thread record.

We appreciate the OP's opinions about STO and we wish them the best in all of their future endeavors.
I will now be closing this thread."

It took a Mod 18 pages to close thead. Amazing that the OP gave the game another chance so soon. Glad that I'm not playing with any of those blue suckups. I'm curious just what they find interesting in that game. By this point they HAVE to be at end game with their characters and from what I've read there still isn't anything to do once you get there. Maybe they are leveling alts though I can't see why anyone would want to replay the same missions over and over again. They were boring enough the first time around.

They are all doing their dailies with teir 1 ships and gimped bridge officers to make the game harder of course!

 Nothing in this game is hard.  When Cryptic wants to make things hard they just pour a ton of bad guys into the mission that keep re-spawning and call that makeing the game challenging.  This game has no tactics what so ever and I let my 5 year old do all my ground combat and once he can figure out how to use the icons for space he will be doing that.

Well now they have the difficulty slider and death penalty coming so we'll see how it goes. Has any other mmo had a diffculty slide? I think coh had something similar for task forces but It's been so long I can't remember.  All adding them did was add another faction to the forums. You had the LTS crowd, the monthlies and now you have the leet hardcore crowd calling everyone carebears.  GG cryptic way to make one of the worst communites on the internet even worse. 

It's funny, you see the LTS crowd claiming nothing has happened to the sto population but in the next post, they're giving cryptic ideas to add new players or "ramp up" the community. If the population is fine and you don't care about the numbers why feel like you have to help add new blood?  Sounds like MMO LTS stockholm syndrome to me.

There was a guy a couple days ago claiming he was trying to do one of the new fleet actions and couldn't find more than 10 people scattered across 3 instances.  The forum response was " oh no one does  that one because of x." On a week old fleet action? Way to rationalize.

This is what I don't understand. If I am playing a game that I think is bad, and the reason it's bad is the game company doesn't care about putting out a good product, then why would they care about me posting an "I quit" thread? All that does is invite people to jeer at me lol.

If I hate the game enough, I quit and post negative reviews on other sites where they can't stop me. But telling Cryptic is like trying to explain to a bank robber why taking other people's property is a bad thing. It presumes they are interested.

Originally posted by Amathe

This is what I don't understand. If I am playing a game that I think is bad, and the reason it's bad is the game company doesn't care about putting out a good product, then why would they care about me posting an "I quit" thread? All that does is invite people to jeer at me lol.

 

If I hate the game enough, I quit and post negative reviews on other sites where they can't stop me. But telling Cryptic is like trying to explain to a bank robber why taking other people's property is a bad thing. It presumes they are interested.

 I think I can speak to that because STO was the first and only game I ever posted an I quit thread on the boards of though the one we are discussing in this thread is not mine.  While my views of Cryptic and their business practices have changed negatively in the last few days I did not have such a grim outlook on them to start with.  I simply thought they suffered from bad design philosophy the games they have always created have always lacked depth which I thought STO would also suffer from, I was though unawre it would suffer as greatly as it does from the lack of depth.

My initialplan (which I did follow) was to order and sub knowing that the game already seemed fairly shallow and give them until their first two announced updates to add actual and true content to the game but they didn't.

What got to me though was reading the season one and season two list of features and seeing that they were equal in content from the sto store to free content and that the free content really only took the form of one or two task force missions.

That's when I realized that they in fact be more money grubbing than I was willing to allow myself to believe and as such I made it a point to let them and the player base know that this is/was my take.  Cryptic does have a pretty light exit survey where I also let them know but I certainly wanted the players to know the way I felt too.  So in essence I don't know that people who post on the boards do it just to let Cryptic know the way they feel but also the player base.

While not an "I quit" thread, I saw a very good post along those lines in a thread dealing with the core problems of the game: http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2497085&postcount=7

Originally posted by Amathe

This is what I don't understand. If I am playing a game that I think is bad, and the reason it's bad is the game company doesn't care about putting out a good product, then why would they care about me posting an "I quit" thread? All that does is invite people to jeer at me lol.

 

If I hate the game enough, I quit and post negative reviews on other sites where they can't stop me. But telling Cryptic is like trying to explain to a bank robber why taking other people's property is a bad thing. It presumes they are interested.

 

personally i posted some constructive criticism and a fairly polite i quit and this is why post. i didnt get rude and try to cost cryptic customers (thats the reason to post i quit threads on their forums, to encourage others to leave) until cryptic sent out a nice note telling us all how some of us "just didnt get it". that was rude, unproffessional and to be honest histarically funny in hindsight.

every major review "didnt get it" i guess as they were all negative.

84% of people who post on mmorpg "didnt get it" as they had cancelled there accounts.

i cant speak for others but after essentially being trolled like that, i now will go out of my way to warn others that sto is a very bad game imho. i will encourage others to try any other game first, with the hopes that cryptic and atari go bankrupt. the game cryptic produced was a blatant cash grab, and telling people that "they just dont get it" when they call cryptic on the total lack of content or playbility in sto is begging people to take offence.

with enough offended people you get what cryptic now has..... arguably the worst online community out there. and i proudly will state that after being insulted by cryptic i helped contribute to that. i dont mind being ripped off for the 50$ for the box and 30 days game time, but then being insulted?

i got news for cryptic... i do get it, it was a cash grab.

with the delightfully comical incompetence cryptic calls customer relations hopefully they will soon "get it"..............  when you piss off the vast majority of your customer's, pretty soon not enough people are sending you money to keep the doors open.

that is a message i hope cryptic just does get, and the sooner the better.

 

One of my Fleet members got an infraction for posting this;  I deleted his name and any links that were in the message since they were linked to his account by his request.

Yes the truth as I see it is Cryptic is basically tearing down anything critical of them on the forums, I posted an I quit thread (wish I had saved and posted it too)  and mine was even more tame than the one above and I got an infraction for it.  What I really found funny was I quit the day I would have been charged again so after the post I lost access to STO and found the email a few days later when I went to the main site and noticed I still had thirty in game emails, don't know why I even checked since to this day they have all been exclusively gold spammers but right in the middle was the Cryptic warning amidst the other pathetic gold selling posts.

Cryptic is a pathetic company which is an assessment I usually reserve for people who do a little worse than just having no clue about how to design a successful mmo.

Originally posted by jaxsundane

Yes the truth as I see it is Cryptic is basically tearing down anything critical of them on the forums, I posted an I quit thread (wish I had saved and posted it too)  and mine was even more tame than the one above and I got an infraction for it.  What I really found funny was I quit the day I would have been charged again so after the post I lost access to STO and found the email a few days later when I went to the main site and noticed I still had thirty in game emails, don't know why I even checked since to this day they have all been exclusively gold spammers but right in the middle was the Cryptic warning amidst the other pathetic gold selling posts.

 

Cryptic is a pathetic company which is an assessment I usually reserve for people who do a little worse than just having no clue about how to design a successful mmo.

 I remember your "I quit" post.  Funniest part was a mod edited out the entire content but left the thread open for a while so the CDF could troll it.

Originally posted by Dinendae

While not an "I quit" thread, I saw a very good post along those lines in a thread dealing with the core problems of the game: http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2497085&postcount=7

Take a look at the entire thread. Those who subscribe monthly agree with the thread's premise and try to offer good solutions to fix those problems.

And then we get snarky bashing comments from the lifers...

I'm becoming convinced that the lifers will be the death of this game while also being the only people subscribing.

Originally posted by PoopyStuff

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by Jorikuza

I don't see why people persist on spewing so much negativity towards this game. I bet you if CCP had made STO, and made the EXACT same game, it would've recieved much better reviews.

I seriously, seriously doubt that. If any company made this crap pile of a game that company would have been laughed out of the MMO industry in the same manner Cryptic is. How do I nknow this? Because I'm a huge City of Heroes fan. Look at my XFire profile in my sig, look at my screenshot gallery, I love my CoH. Based on City of Heroes alone, I was excited that Cryptic was making STO. Based on City of Heroes I was hoping this game would be as fun and unique as I've found City of Heroes to be.

But, as I learned more and more about STO I knew more and more that this game would not be close to the standards set by CoH, it wouldn't be close to the standards set by any game, this game was simply going to be lacking. I tried my hardest to influence Cryptic in the direction I thought would be good for STO. When the only STO info coming out of Cryptic was nothing but combat, combat, combat I posted a thread on the official forums listing about 12 classic episodes of Star Trek that don't feature a single bit of combat ("The Trouble With Tribbles," "City on the Edge of Forever," "The Inner Light," "The Measure of a Man," "Duet," "The Visitor," etc) and I begged, pleaded for the Cryptic devs to watch these episodes and use them as a guide to making a Star Trek MMO and to realize that Star Trek is not all about combat. They didn't listen, they made a game focused almost solely on combat. And now one of the biggest complaints against STO is that it "doesn't feel like Star Trek" and the Cryptic devs are hurt because of this criticism!

If CCP, or Blizzard, or Bioware made this sad, sad excuse for an MMO I would be in the front line with a pitchfork and torch.

I do not play STO, I tried the beta and it wasn't for me, wasn't bad, just not for me. I' am not a fanboy of STO as you would like to label me.

 

The fact you think so highly of COH just proves how low your standards are.

 That fact that you chose to personally attack someone for their choice of entertainment just proves how low you are.

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by Dinendae

While not an "I quit" thread, I saw a very good post along those lines in a thread dealing with the core problems of the game: http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2497085&postcount=7

Take a look at the entire thread. Those who subscribe monthly agree with the thread's premise and try to offer good solutions to fix those problems.

And then we get snarky bashing comments from the lifers...

I'm becoming convinced that the lifers will be the death of this game while also being the only people subscribing.

 To be fair, there seemed to be quite a few blues agreeing that the game is severely lacking in that thread.

Originally posted by Xondar123

Originally posted by Dinendae

While not an "I quit" thread, I saw a very good post along those lines in a thread dealing with the core problems of the game: http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=2497085&postcount=7

Take a look at the entire thread. Those who subscribe monthly agree with the thread's premise and try to offer good solutions to fix those problems.

And then we get snarky bashing comments from the lifers...

I'm becoming convinced that the lifers will be the death of this game while also being the only people subscribing.

Thats the irony, isnt it. Because they're not subscribers.

Originally posted by Jorikuza

I don't see why people persist on spewing so much negativity towards this game. I bet you if CCP had made STO, and made the EXACT same game, it would've recieved much better reviews.

 

I do not play STO, I tried the beta and it wasn't for me, wasn't bad, just not for me. I' am not a fanboy of STO as you would like to label me.

I can't speak for CCP as I've not given EVE a fair shake, but I can tell you before STO I had a really good opinion of Cryptic.

I really enjoyed the CoX games and felt while they were quit simple, they were pretty fun to play (this of course was immediately after SOE dropped the NGE bomb on us, so ANYTHING was fun to play at that time... but I digress).

Fast forward to the STO beta and I was horrified at what Cryptic had delivered with full knowledge that it wasn't up to snuff.  It's a blatent rip off. No if's, and's, or but's about it.

Originally posted by PoopyStuff

saying someone has low standars is a personal attack?

Yes. It's not much on the internet scale of insults, but yes.

 

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Originally posted by Jorikuza

I don't see why people persist on spewing so much negativity towards this game. I bet you if CCP had made STO, and made the EXACT same game, it would've recieved much better reviews.

 

I do not play STO, I tried the beta and it wasn't for me, wasn't bad, just not for me. I' am not a fanboy of STO as you would like to label me.

I can't speak for CCP as I've not given EVE a fair shake, but I can tell you before STO I had a really good opinion of Cryptic.

I really enjoyed the CoX games and felt while they were quit simple, they were pretty fun to play (this of course was immediately after SOE dropped the NGE bomb on us, so ANYTHING was fun to play at that time... but I digress).

Fast forward to the STO beta and I was horrified at what Cryptic had delivered with full knowledge that it wasn't up to snuff.  It's a blatent rip off. No if's, and's, or but's about it.

buyer beware.

All you had to do was do your research about STO and if you decided to give them money for such a pos, then its on you.

if you played the beta and thought the released game was gonna be way better, than you nieve at best.

companies will sell you a turd with ice cream sprinkes on it, and if you smell the turd, but ignore it, its all your responsiblity.

You gotta vote with your dollars.

and sadly there's a lot of stupid voters, both in actual politics, and in the gaming industry.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by PoopyStuff

saying someone has low standars is a personal attack?

Yes. It's not much on the internet scale of insults, but yes.

 

If its true, its not an attack.

It's a statement of fact.

Originally posted by gholston

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=151384

 

This one has the standard lifers defending the game. I thought the OP did a damn good job hammering Cryptic  :)

It has really been a psychology lesson of sorts as to how attached people are to their "investments". The lifers still defend this game to the death and it absolutely amazes me.

I'm amazed that the post has not been deleted and the poster banned. Don't they have a strict no I quit message policy now?  Its too bad that STO turned out the way that it did. With that IP they would have had a gold mine on their hands if they had used a better design, and made sure that the elements actually worked together and more important. that they were fun.

Originally posted by PoopyStuff

Originally posted by Bob_Blawblaw

Originally posted by Jorikuza

I don't see why people persist on spewing so much negativity towards this game. I bet you if CCP had made STO, and made the EXACT same game, it would've recieved much better reviews.

 

I do not play STO, I tried the beta and it wasn't for me, wasn't bad, just not for me. I' am not a fanboy of STO as you would like to label me.

I can't speak for CCP as I've not given EVE a fair shake, but I can tell you before STO I had a really good opinion of Cryptic.

I really enjoyed the CoX games and felt while they were quit simple, they were pretty fun to play (this of course was immediately after SOE dropped the NGE bomb on us, so ANYTHING was fun to play at that time... but I digress).

Fast forward to the STO beta and I was horrified at what Cryptic had delivered with full knowledge that it wasn't up to snuff.  It's a blatent rip off. No if's, and's, or but's about it.

buyer beware.

 

All you had to do was do your research about STO and if you decided to give them money for such a pos, then its on you.

if you played the beta and thought the released game was gonna be way better, than you nieve at best.

companies will sell you a turd with ice cream sprinkes on it, and if you smell the turd, but ignore it, its all your responsiblity.

You gotta vote with your dollars.

and sadly there's a lot of stupid voters, both in actual politics, and in the gaming industry.

Unfortunetly I have to agree with you. We wouldn't be seeing these threads if people would just NOT PUT UP WITH THIS S***!

(btw: Thank you Cryptic for letting me into the open beta... saved me $50)