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  User Deleted
4/12/10 8:41:52 PM#21
Originally posted by LotosSlayer


Have better advertising and a more popular IP. It's not like how good a game is determines popularity nowadays, WoW is proof of this.

Try see what the average WoW player thinks about other games then. Why do they always come back to WoW, even players who have played alot of MMO's before they played WoW?

I have personally no problems understanding why WoW is so popular. People who think they play WoW just because it is their first MMO, is just ignorant. It is the best game on the block, for the majority of the MMO players. Even the 2nd most popular MMO is a midget compared to WoW. The only threat WoW has is Blizzard...

  User Deleted
4/12/10 8:45:26 PM#22
Originally posted by Netzoko

Why do MMOs have to be a competition? Why is there this divine goal to beat some arbitrary number set by WoW? The OP acts as if only 1 MMO can exist and someone needs to takes its place.

You don't hear "What band is it going to take to beat Lady Gaga"

Whether a game beats WoW's sub numer is irrelevent, plus their numbers are sketchy as is. Perfect World International has even more monthly users than WoW from what I hear.

 Truth be told in some ways it does make some difference, have you ever played a game that is far too lightly populated?  It kind of points you to the fact that when it comes to mmo's population does make a difference in general so from that it's up to each individual user to determine what factors decide how they feel about that.

I for one had a hard time getting into LOTRO at first because of the difference in population from WOW, which literally had so many players anytime you felt like doing something you could find people to do it.  That's just not the case with most games and dare I say I went months before finally being able to find people willing to run some of LOTRO's lower level instances as I came on much later when they weren't new to anyone other than those new to the game.

I think other things factor in the desire to see another mmo put up wow type numbers, for some it's validation of what they may feel,  like mmo's being a viable powerhouse and not just some sort of niche market with the exception of the juggernaught that is wow.

  User Deleted
4/12/10 8:49:00 PM#23
Originally posted by Methos12

 because all those 10 year old kids, clueless housewives and grandads that started their MMO careers with WoW need to graduate and move on to more serious MMOs.

 OH NO!...Please God no, let it not happen.  Sorry I prefer my games the way they are and I like all those 10 year old kids, clueless housewives and granddads to remain in WoW where they belong.  WoW has a purpose - to keep all the non serious gamers in 1 place.  Games like Lotro, EQ, and the others are for serious gamers.  Let's keep it that way and preserve the universe of gaming. Thanks.

  User Deleted
4/12/10 9:18:36 PM#24
Originally posted by elderotter

Originally posted by Methos12

 because all those 10 year old kids, clueless housewives and grandads that started their MMO careers with WoW need to graduate and move on to more serious MMOs.

 OH NO!...Please God no, let it not happen.  Sorry I prefer my games the way they are and I like all those 10 year old kids, clueless housewives and granddads to remain in WoW where they belong.  WoW has a purpose - to keep all the non serious gamers in 1 place.  Games like Lotro, EQ, and the others are for the GEEK gamers.  Let's keep it that way and preserve the universe of gaming. Thanks.

The pros stay in WoW, those who can't cope with it need play the second best. I am playing LOTRO as we speak. It is virtually dead. And I play on one of the most popular servers, Laurelin EU. Laughable (in)activity. This easter I played EQ2 as well, and it had more activity than LOTRO. Well, I saw maybe a couple lowbies when I levelled to 14 one night. If that is called acitivity?

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4/12/10 9:20:35 PM#25
Originally posted by chrisel

The pros stay in WoW, those who can't cope with it need play the second best...

 

*guffaw*

There are those that can't walk from their first game, and those who have to have swollen player populations to find *gameplay* worthwhile, even though all they do is solo.

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  User Deleted
4/12/10 9:39:51 PM#26
Originally posted by Netzoko

You don't hear "What band is it going to take to beat Lady Gaga"

Of course not...nobody cares about Lady Gaga. 

But you do hear people say that upcoming Band X will be greater than Band Y.   Or more commonly that Band A will be the next Beatles/Michael Jackson/Elvis/Whatever.

 

  -Zeno-

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4/12/10 10:38:07 PM#27
Originally posted by Fantasylove


WHat does a theme park MMORPG have to do to beat WoW?

Not be WoW.

The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. When will developers (and players) become sane? Now go eat some grass like everyone else.

  User Deleted
4/12/10 10:39:31 PM#28

Be nothing like any themepark before it.

  midmagic

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4/13/10 12:21:16 AM#29
Originally posted by jimsmith08

Originally posted by Ozreth


It has to not try to beat WoW.

Yes. And also not try to be just like it. Nobody wants another fantasy level grinder.

Nobody wants another linear story driven JRPG.

Nobody wants another Counter-Strike.

Nobody wants another wants another this.

Nobody wants another that.

Oddly, people eat up another, and another, and another.

  Naturalist99

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4/13/10 12:27:39 AM#30

Sub number wise? Nothing for a while, gameplay means nothing when it comes to WoWs subs, the game got popular because it started out good and top notch mmo, people got there friends to play, and so on, game got popular, more people try it out, coulda happened with any mmo. Now though, most mmos beat WoW in my opinion. In terms of beating it in fun factor, well, be innovative, dont stick with the classic mounts, swords, magic, and hotbar mmos. AKA EQ2 Clones

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  csthao

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4/13/10 12:39:38 AM#31

Blizzard's next MMO

  xbellx777

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4/13/10 12:46:02 AM#32
goodness how often do we have to go through the same questions regarding WOW? I believe WOW is an outlier, a very rare occurrence of a game that hit at the exactly right time to fill a huge void in the mmo landscape. I dont believe even the star wars mmo will be as big, because there are so many mmo's out there now. But i can always be wrong.
  arcdevil

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4/13/10 3:53:22 AM#33
Originally posted by Fantasylove


WHat does a theme park MMORPG have to do to beat WoW?

have "Blizzard" written on the box

  Hyanmen

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4/13/10 3:59:24 AM#34
Originally posted by Fantasylove


And while a) is nigh impossible to accomplish (WoW has like 5-6 years worth of content under it's belt... good luck beating that with a new game)

b) is feasible, and not that hard to accomplish. To most people "new" is also more fun, because it's a whole new experience. 

Well Everquest 1 and 2 are older, so what they need to do to beat WoW?

They're not exactly "new" experiences. 

  TheHavok

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4/13/10 4:02:59 AM#35
Originally posted by Fantasylove


WHat does a theme park MMORPG have to do to beat WoW?

Get a group of fucking amazing developers and an IP to match.

 

Seriously.

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So WoW is dead?

  Sovrath

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4/13/10 4:06:12 AM#36
Originally posted by xbellx777
goodness how often do we have to go through the same questions regarding WOW? I believe WOW is an outlier, a very rare occurrence of a game that hit at the exactly right time to fill a huge void in the mmo landscape. I dont believe even the star wars mmo will be as big, because there are so many mmo's out there now. But i can always be wrong.

No, I think you are right.

WoW is an anomaly. It just did a lot of things "right" at the right time and appealed to a large vareity of people for differnet reasons. It's more of a happening than anything else.

  lagerchobg

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4/13/10 4:18:06 AM#37

FarmVille > WoW. Thats the truth! Get over it... hahaha

  User Deleted
4/13/10 11:07:13 AM#38
Originally posted by lagerchobg

FarmVille > WoW. Thats the truth! Get over it... hahaha

 sad but true, and that's because it did the same thing WoW did - attracted people who don't play games much and need something easy and repetitive.

  uquipu

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4/13/10 7:20:43 PM#39

To beat WoW?

You'd need a better combat system than WoW's.  Many people leave WoW for other games.  They nearly always return to WoW after a month or two.  Why?  WoW's combat system.

WoW put a lot of time into developing a combat system that has many features and is very responsive.  It's so responsive that it rivals man FPS.

One of the devs was interviewed a long time ago, he said players must find the combat fun.  If the players don't like the combat, WoW will fail.  WoW has 11 million subs thanks to its combat.

EQ2, LotRO, DDO, DAoC, WAR, AoC none of these games come close to WoW's fluid, complex and responsive combat system.

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  championsFan

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4/13/10 7:34:54 PM#40
Originally posted by lagerchobg


FarmVille > WoW. Thats the truth! Get over it... hahaha

 

Farmville and the facebook gaming scene has a serious chance of being a fad that unravels.   The game is lacking in it's core, and as the novelty fades the enjoyment of the excess will turn to disgust and embarrassment with the waste, like every overblown novelty fad of all time.   

Remember the arcade fads of the 80s?   All kinds of American adults and females played games such as space invaders and pacman, but within a year or two the fad had passed and the arcades were full of young boys who were in it for the deep love of good games rather than for the novelty.  

I can't believe the industry is falling for this fad, but I guess the Wii profits are so big and the risk is so low.  Still, if I were an investor I would estimate the lifetime of this trend and sell short on any public company based around these facebook games.  

Cryptic is trying a Customer Development approach to MMO creation.

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