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1/02/09 2:54:09 PM#21

Let's make this real simple.

There is no such thing as a "free" game.  No one creates a game for you to play for free.

Sure, they might put a hook that lets you play for a while at no charge, however they are going to put in content upgrades of some sort to 'encourage' you to send them some real world cash. Its how they stay in business.

Stop trying to get something for nothing, it just doesn't exist in this world..


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1/31/09 11:47:31 PM#22

I haven't played this particular game yet, I am currently downloading it to try it out.

I can tell you, however, that there are SEVERAL games, where-in the cash shop items are tradable for in game currency- meaning every player has the ability to get their hands on premium items.

Sure, it might make the people with real life cash to throw away have an easier time coming by in game currency, but since you can get your hands on them you have just as much ability to purchase, use, and resell the items for in game currency.

You can easily get as much money as the next person, and enjoy the "premium items" as much as anyone in these games-

Aeria Games(Shaiya, Last Chaos, Dream of Mirror, Turf Battles etc) does this, heck, they have silly quizes and promotions all the time so you can get points for their cash shop on top of all of the items being tradable in game.

NetGames (Neosteam, Tantra Online, WYD) does this.

Perfect World games do this (Perfect World, Celestial Destroyer, EtherSaga),

Talisman Online does this (don't bother with this game, however, unless your a massochist who likes bad/slow support in chinglish).

And one cute 2D game called Destiny Online also does this.

Tthose are just ones that I am aware of. I generally won't play a game unless this is possible.


I found a study saying that 30% of profits made from subscription fees go into maintenance and operations costs of a P2P game. Lets look at that for a minute. Take a $15/mnth subscription. That's $4.5 per user per month. Lets say the servers have to maintain 1 million people per month. That would suggest that 4.5 million out of your subscription alone went to pay for server space, internet, in game support staff, technical staff, etc etc. Of course, $15/mnth sub is going to cover that and more. But what about free games, they still have to pay for all of those things even if they have less users so a smaller amount of servers and bandwidth, but they have no monthly sub guaranteed to cover it. That money has to be made with cash shop items. Probably most of these games are paying at least $4-5k/mnth (probably more to pay for developers making new content, rent for wherever these people are working, phone lines, etc etc.).

Bottom line, everyone else here is right, you can't expect a company to dish out thousands of dollars without getting anything in return. That would make them idiots. If you prefer to have to give your earnings to a company on a monthly basis, in return for access to all of its content and probably a bit higher support. Well, that's your prerogative. If you want to play a free-to-play game, where you let the people buying cash shop items pay for the keep, and just have to work a little harder in game to buy premium items from those people, that's not horribly unfair either.  That's how it works, the people who are buying from the premium shop are paying for themselves, for you, and for every other player who plays but doesn't support the game monetarily.


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2/01/09 2:16:01 AM#23

omg... item malls have like cool costumes dude which you can get from players who have no use for them or just selling them at a fair price so those players who spent irl to sell this stuff to others..soooo...yeah tht answers your question. suck it grind really hard and save ya money in game and BOOM you got ya self cash/item mall item end of story -_-


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2/08/09 7:10:26 AM#24

 Unfortunatly this is one of the better F2P games but it still doesnt make it good >.>

so far im lvl 35 and i ask myslef why do i continue to play if im never gonna make it to 36?

the item mall in this game is way over powered comepred to the free basics. IF your really Lucky then you could get a wepon to +4 if you try for +5 IT WILL BREAK but with a certian cash shop item people can easily get a wepon to +10  and in this game +1 can make a very large difference   


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2/08/09 7:13:55 AM#25

Why do people fuss about these games , they are free to play . but if you want more then you pay for the extras.. would you work for free? not !!


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2/08/09 7:10:58 PM#26
Originally posted by sanedor

Why do people fuss about these games , they are free to play . but if you want more then you pay for the extras.. would you work for free? not !!


They are not free. One thing cannot be partially free, if there is some cost involved, it already stops being free. We're not whinning that these games should be 100% free and that their workers should gain no profit, we're saying that the use of the terminology "Free to Play" in games like this is absurdly wrong. Playing such games is as using "Shareware" or "Demo" software. They're not Freeware, but many of them can be used for as long as you want. The thing about shareware is that if you want to own the software, you have to pay. It's no different in these games, they just use the term "Free" to lure more people and have them believe they don't have to pay anything to experience the full game. But as soon as those people start playing, they notice that what the ads had them believe was obviously wrong.


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3/25/09 10:45:32 AM#27
Originally posted by Faitu
Originally posted by sanedor

Why do people fuss about these games , they are free to play . but if you want more then you pay for the extras.. would you work for free? not !!


They are not free. One thing cannot be partially free, if there is some cost involved, it already stops being free. We're not whinning that these games should be 100% free and that their workers should gain no profit, we're saying that the use of the terminology "Free to Play" in games like this is absurdly wrong. Playing such games is as using "Shareware" or "Demo" software. They're not Freeware, but many of them can be used for as long as you want. The thing about shareware is that if you want to own the software, you have to pay. It's no different in these games, they just use the term "Free" to lure more people and have them believe they don't have to pay anything to experience the full game. But as soon as those people start playing, they notice that what the ads had them believe was obviously wrong.

But it IS free to play.. you can play the game.. have fun gain a few levels you only have to pay if you want to be top player or reach high levels..   THe statement "free to play" is 100% accurate. You can play free.. you might have to PAY TO SUCCEDE  but they never mentioned success. If you want to quibble about semantics at least follow your own rules. Free to play is no garantee of success despite what you want to read into it. EVERY  F2P game i have ever seen is the same way. Yes its free to play, but hard to be top player or #1 pvper or whatever without access to cash shop items either through direct purchases and/or through extensive hours of play to earn game money/items to exchange for cash shop items.  Free to play is just saying you dont have to pay money to enter the game. Personally i LIKE the free game set up. When i played WOW i paid for many months that I had very little time to play. When playing a F2P game i can spend money in cash shop on days when i do have time to play and not spend any money on days or months when I dont have time. There are all different games out there for all different types of people i just dont understand the complaints about F2P games.. They are free to play.. you can play em for as long as you like without spending a dime and you cannot argue with that.
Now before you start flaming... stop and think about it.. what EXACTLY does the statement "Free to Play" actually SAY? Can you play the game for free? As long as you like? Doesnt that make the statement !00% accurate?
Those who say its not F2P are making an ASSUMPTION that you must be garanteed free to suceede and I just wonder where they get this insane idea.... after all, even WITH lots of money... there is NO garantee to suceede neither in games nor in life.



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8/09/09 4:16:25 AM#28

Get over it, even free to play games need money.

There is no such thing as a F2P game that will provide you with endless hours of entertainment. Just think of F2P as try b4 you buy and everything will be peachy.

Personally I don't purchase games anymore. Only if I am in beta and enjoy it will I put up money on a box. I been burned too many times. Besides, if you like it what's wrong with supporting the developers?

Get a Wal-Mart moneycard and put up some dough so the Devs can make a living.


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8/16/09 6:48:58 PM#29

 No F2P MMO?

What do you call Runes of Magic?

You can make it to the lvl 50/50 character without paying a single dime.

There are plenty of F2P games out there that you dont have pay a single penny on, its all up to the person whether they want their charcter to look "cooler" by buying a permanent mount or buying gold for their account.

So dont say theres no such thing as a F2P MMO


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11/10/09 3:21:58 PM#30

Why does this topic exist? The topic creator just claimed it was not free before the Cash Mall was even released because of what happened to Voyage Century. They're not even the same publishers!


Anyway, as for Florensia itself:


I've played quite a lot of games and out of all these, I have never seen an Item Mall as fair as Florensia's. There are no items that you are forced to buy.

The Cash Shop contains only:

- Outfits with very minor bonuses such as HP +120 MP +60  (an average lv50 character has around 4000 HP).

- Upgrading Items that increase your chance at success or prevent loss of items while upgrading

    Note: the second item, the one that prevents loss etc is also obtained through a low-level quest

- fairly weak Exp pots compared to other games. No 400% Exp or the like.

- Stat and Skill Resets

    Note: They are given out for free every time the skills are adjusted just the tiniest bit. Of course only for the classes concerned.

                Still, you might get lucky and get one just when you needed one anyway.

- Weird Stuff like Sex Change Potions, Class Change Potions etc.


There are NO overpowered items in there. I can honestly say that it is completely up to you whether you want to pay for this game or not. I have a Lv71, a Lv66 and a Lv63 Character (on different servers even!) and I have not spent a penny. I know quite many other people who are Lv75+ that haven't either.

To those who don't know: Lv79 is kind of the max. Level at the moment. There are ways to reach higher, but it is not intended by the normal Game Content.


If I had to choose one of the many "free with Item Mall"- Games I have played before of which I think it deserves the word "free", it would be Florensia.


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12/09/09 8:10:06 PM#31

How do you expect them to get money? It's not like WoW where they get like $150 million per month. Unless they have another p2p game, they will go bankrupt. CASH SHOPS ARE PART OF ALL FREE GAMES!!!!! THEY'RE OPTIONAL, BUT SOME PEOPLE STILL USE IT. THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO NetTimeSoft, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT KEEP THE COMPANY ALIVE!

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12/09/09 8:12:53 PM#32
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Then they shouldn't call it free to play games...


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4/10/10 10:06:43 AM#33

Oh Heaven help us not this again. One more time: It is well established by now that MMORPG games advertised as Free-to-Play come with the caveat that there will be an item mall to purchase upgrades with real money. No one can seriously claim to have been fooled into thinking otherwise; especially considering that about ten seconds of searching the main page of a game bears this out. This is probably never going to change, so complaining about it is a waste of time. As is (I now realize) complaining about the complaining, so I'll shut up now. :) 

Now we're calling prostitutes "sex workers". What's next? Calling hit men "end-of-life technicians"?


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4/10/10 10:09:48 AM#34

They really need to change the terminology from "free to play" to something else. Marketing guys got hooked on that shit, but all it does is lead to post after post of the same "OMG it's not free D8!" crap. "Donation based gameplay" might be a better term. Either way, you're still generally being goaded into throwing money at them instead of them just focusing on the game unless the company hosting it isn't a bunch of greedy tools (unlikely) Don't get me wrong, you can have a fair F2P, with mostly cosmetic items and such in the CS. People buy the shit out of that stuff and it doesn't unbalance the game. However, they still have the power down the line to toally rehaul the game and force the CS down your throat suddenly and pop up a bunch of balance destroying items. That kind of power in their hands is why F2P blows. 

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