Originally posted by solocrono

Which I must say, while I'm enjoying DA for the most part, I didn't know it was more like an RTS than Bioware's previous games, which I'm still tryin to get used to.   

DA an RTS? You do realize that ME is actually the intruder in BIoWare's list of games? Most others (except Jade Empire) are basically traditional RPG games with few variations and changed settings (from FR to Star Wars). :D

Bioware never did any real RPG since parted with Interplay (after Baldur's Gate). That's a superstition. They either did story mode RTS or FPS. I wonder how more ridiculous I can get before being called a complete whacko.

Originally posted by Thillian

I never said all quests in DA are neccessary. I said all locations in DA are neccessary. All optional quests still send you into the zones you have to go through for the main mission. Apart from the starting area (based on race), there is no other optional piece of location in the whole game. That's what I was talking about.

That's true, with DLC aside, not everybody wants to buy those.

Here is your problem, you are confused about the what BioWare is referring to by saying choice. You're not getting complete freedom like you would in Fallout 3. You are however getting the choice of what to respond with, you change your path. What happened in DA:O will change what happened in Awakening, and what happened in Awakening will move forward as well. The final choice in Awakening is a very difficult one to make, at least it was for me. There is no illusion, you're just confused on the meaning of choice in a BioWare game such as DA:O, KoTOR and ME. I'm not going to sit here and compare, that's not what I do, I examine what a game offers not what it doesn't. DA:O, DA:A, ME,ME2 all great games. ME had a bit more freedom, but that's not what should be looked at. What should be looked at is was it fun? If not, it wasn't for you. End of story.

Originally posted by tro44_1

This game is very boring!! Damn the cut scenes are just crazy annoying. Damn and we cant even skip them. The game is just too damn slow. Tired of having to keep saving, just so I dont have to go through and repeat scenes if ya get killed.

Think this is your answer..

The Witcher EE( enhanced edition) makes DAO look like childs play,beats it in every way.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-full-the-witcher/27143

The Witcher 2 assasin of kings  not out until 2011, nothing will come close to this .

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-the-witcher/63501

http://www.thewitcher.com/index.php

These are 18+ rpg ,you name it they have got it,sex drugs bloody killings,the lot.

Divinity 2: Ego Draconis a great rpg sandbox with great world.

Originally posted by Bannne

Think this is your answer..

The Witcher EE( enhanced edition) makes DAO look like childs play,beats it in every way.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-full-the-witcher/27143

The Witcher 2 assasin of kings  not out until 2011, nothing will come close to this .

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-the-witcher/63501

http://www.thewitcher.com/index.php

 

 

Divinity 2: Ego Draconis a great rpg sandbox with great world.

http://Divinity 2: Ego Draconis

The witcher was hard, it was all like click, and then holy shit click a bit faster then it went crazy and was like CLICK FASTER. And I did, then it made me do it again from the start.  Hardcore.

Originally posted by tro44_1

This game is very boring!! Damn the cut scenes are just crazy annoying. Damn and we cant even skip them. The game is just too damn slow. Tired of having to keep saving, just so I dont have to go through and repeat scenes if ya get killed.

Like the word Damn much?

Now to the point...if you don't like cutscenes in your RPGs definitely don't play FFXIII

And a side note....I traded my PS3 version of DA:O back in because I couldn't stand the camera differences between the PC version and console one.  Being able to pause, zoom out, issue orders to everyone and then resume play made a world of difference in my opinion of both versions.

Originally posted by Bannne

Originally posted by tro44_1

This game is very boring!! Damn the cut scenes are just crazy annoying. Damn and we cant even skip them. The game is just too damn slow. Tired of having to keep saving, just so I dont have to go through and repeat scenes if ya get killed.

Think this is your answer..

The Witcher EE( enhanced edition) makes DAO look like childs play,beats it in every way.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-full-the-witcher/27143

The Witcher 2 assasin of kings  not out until 2011, nothing will come close to this .

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-the-witcher/63501

http://www.thewitcher.com/index.php

These are 18+ rpg ,you name it they have got it,sex drugs bloody killings,the lot.

 

 

Divinity 2: Ego Draconis a great rpg sandbox with great world.

 This.

The Witcher is bit more action-adventury, in that it's a one-character hack'n'slash... but it's a better game, with better graphics, in a cooler world, with a better story, better characters, more choices with deeper consequences beyond which side-kick you get to sleep with (though there's that too)... more mature content (particularly with the free upgrade to director's cut)... basically more and better of absolutely everything...

...and it's all done with Aurora, so somehow some no-name European company managed to take Bioware's own engine and make a better-looking, better playing game than Bioware.

Originally posted by greed0104

The witcher was hard, it was all like click, and then holy shit click a bit faster then it went crazy and was like CLICK FASTER. And I did, then it made me do it again from the start.  Hardcore.

I think he was refering to choices and morality in Witcher which were WAY more defined and, ironically, blurred enough in presentation so it's not: "Oh, this choice is blue so it must be good, this one's red so it must be evil". No, in Witcher you're pretty screwed up in long term no matter what choices you make because they have consequences and they're not evidently good or evil. Not disrespecting BioWare, but they always focus on cookie cutter "good vs. evil" extremes in their games. In Witcher you're like the greyest dude you can be, borderline True Neutral play is possible.

But yeah, combat sucked... it basically being a QTE. :D

Except that The Witcher doesn't look better and certainly doesn't perform as well and was painful to play through.  It was more difficult though.  DA is a Bioware game so... if you didn't like BG or NWN then ya DA is boring as crap.

Originally posted by Methos12

Originally posted by greed0104

The witcher was hard, it was all like click, and then holy shit click a bit faster then it went crazy and was like CLICK FASTER. And I did, then it made me do it again from the start.  Hardcore.

I think he was refering to choices and morality in Witcher which were WAY more defined and, ironically, blurred enough in presentation so it's not: "Oh, this choice is blue so it must be good, this one's red so it must be evil". No, in Witcher you're pretty screwed up in long term no matter what choices you make because they have consequences and they're not evidently good or evil. Not disrespecting BioWare, but they always focus on cookie cutter "good vs. evil" extremes in their games. In Witcher you're like the greyest dude you can be, borderline True Neutral play is possible.

 

But yeah, combat sucked... it basically being a QTE. :D

I wouldn't know in all honesty, the combat was so mind numbing I couldn't get into it. I'm sure it had some great things about it, but I couldn't bare it.  As for BioWare focusing on extreme and not so extreme choices, that's true, most of the time. I didn't get that much in Awakening though, the last who to save what side to choose choices didn't come off as good and bad. You had to think about it long term, what's going to happen, what could happen. Hopefully they start leaning toward this a bit more, because I sat there for a good 5 mins scratching my head.

I personally enjoyed DAO much more than the Witcher. Not that it was a bad game, but I thought the UI was clunky, it was full of bugs, etc.

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by Techleo

  Pretty damned late to be saying this about DA. Did you just get it for xmas or something? Most people who like the Single Player experience liked this game. So I guess if your a MMO player it mite be a be tad underwhelming. Overall I liked it though.

 

No I wasnt looking for a MMO feel. I just wanted a nice RPG. Iam bored of WoW atm, so I wanted to play a good single player RPG.

This game just plain old sucks.

The Combat is lame. I want Hack n Slash, not sum stupid auto Attack/Move crap.

The combat is pretty much like other single player RPGs that were made by Bioware, and some other companies even. Baldur's Gate was one of the most widely acclaimed RPGs of all time...it's almost identical. I agree...it's not what you're used to from MMOs, but it's not unusual for sp RPGs.

The game feels like Guild Wars' PvE if it had been made Offline based.

The Cut Scenes are just too much!! I want to fight, not spend 10mins of watching blood stained characters talk to one another. I spend more time in Scenes in this game, then I do in Combat.

Personally, I loved the cutscenes because this game is about STORY, STORY, STORY, like all Bioware games, really, and, for that matter, like most single player RPGs. One of my favorite sp RPGs of ALL TIME...Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines...it also had EPIC cutscenes. The story was, imo, phenomenal and the cutscenes appropriate....same with DA:O.

Also the Loading, makes this feel even Worst!!!!!!!!! Too Damn Slow!!!!!!!!!!!

 /Head Bang

Damn, you know a game has problems, when you have to debate between play it, or Demon Soul.

This game just plain suck arse

Everyone is, of course, entitled to their opinion, but....here are the things that let me know that you haven't played a lot of single player RPGs probably, no offense.

First of all....saving....is something you just HAVE TO DO in single player RPGs. It's nothing new or unusual.

I highlighted the other things that lead me to believe that you have just either been playing MMOs too long to appreciate single player RPGs, OR....that you probably wouldn't like many others either.

Maybe single player RPGs (unless they're CRPGs)...just aren't your "thing," so to speak.

If you want a good single player CRPG....why not try Torchlight or Diablo? They're both faster paced with more combat and dungeon crawling that is less heavily story-driven and more combat driven.

Hey Hey

@OP it is an older game but you may enjoy The Witcher... Good dark story line, action based, with a lot of back story.

Personally i do not like RPG with groups, so i never played DAO, and the story line just did not really interest me.

All this has made me want to reinstall Morrowind ><

Welcome Home

Rev

Originally posted by Thillian

Ok please educate me then

• How is story in Conan Hyborian lore related to Tolkien - when Conan is older than Tolkien.
• How is story in Risen related to Tolkien
• How is story in Fallen Earth related to Tolkien.
• How is other 95% of all games related with Tolkien?

Tolkien story in short is about unifying all races against one great ultimate evil. Sure, it's used a hell lot and it's a shallow story everytime. Someone said, Dragon Age has a great story, so tell me what is so great about unifying all races to fight one great ultimate evil that look exactly like an army of orcs lead by a big nazghul?

You are excusing the lack of originality in Dragon Age by attacking other games that all of them are ripoffs.

As I can't properly quote anymore with this sh**ty editor. To the guy who said you make important decisions throughout the game like the one with werewolves and elves.

You've got to be kidding me. The only thing that changed was the fight at the end, and a cut-scene. For both decisions, you still had to fight through the same forest locations, the same old underground temple. You spent doing the same activity no matter how you've decided. YOu only saw a different cut-scene. 10 hours of the same gameplay, ended by a different 10 second cut-scene. Does that make a real gameplay decision? No Dragon Age was not about decisions, nor choices. Dragon Age had no optional content.

That's as shallow as it can be. Want me to give you an example of real decision making and choices in CRPGs taken from for example old Fallouts, or even Arcanum?

I'm really getting sick and tired of hearing about Tolkien, he is NOT the first one to create drawfs, orcs, elves, and what the sort..they have been apart of mythology since  the time of Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians. He also did not create the "unifying all races for one big battle" either as that has ALSO been in Mythology since the times of the Greeks, Romans, and Egyptians. Tolkien just took Mythology and gave it his own twist. He is not the created of the world in which ANY game is played in, including Dragon Age, World of Warcraft, and many other types of games. Everyone takes and puts their own twist to it and then you got whiners saying "Oh look you copied so and so"

And there was important decisions. Now, those who have not played the game or do not like spoliers, SCROLL REALLY FAST AT THIS PART:

Werewolves/Elves - Pick Werewolves the Dalish will hate you and you can't buy from the guy anymore which he holds ingredients you need for some healing crafts.

Zev - If you do not have high enough loyality to him or a high enough persausion, you will have to kill him when the Crows come looking for him

Ashes - If you pick to dump the blood into the ashes both Wynne and Leliana will fight you if they are in your party and you will be forced to kill them, if you do not have them in your party they will leave the minute you return to the camp unless you persaude them to stay.

Stan - You can leave him to die along with Leliana.

Alistar - You decide to keep Loghain instead of killing him, he WILL leave and take all the equipment you have on him with him.

There are many decisions in which effect your gameplay. I've done all but be extremely evil. Did you play this game or did you rush through it?

Why would you choose a role playing game if you hate a storyline? I would suggest that you choose an action/adventure title next time. That way you will get all the blood you want without those pesky words and pictures mucking up your entertainment.

Personally I find this to be one of the best games ever made. The deep storyline was a pleasureto be part of, the acting was supurb ( on the most part) and the gaming world a pleasure to behold and play in.

I believe you need to choose not to buy Bioware games because, in my opinion they are the most skilled story tellers out there when it comes to computer games.  They put the extra effort in that most studios would never bother with or just simply wouldn't think of in the first place.

Not everyone will like every game.  It seems to me that the OP got the game as a gift and was disappointed (if I read correctly - I admit I skipped a few pages of arguing, so I may have it wrong).  That's cool if the game wasn't his/her style.  I happened to like it and am on the third playthrough.

Not everyone has the patience to enjoy classic single player RPGs based on story and strategy.  There's nothing wrong with that.  It doesn't mean the game is bad, it just means that the game is not for them.  Some of us enjoy story and strategy in our games, though, and BioWare has a pretty solid reputation of providing that.

It might be a good idea next time if, as has previously been suggested, the OP did a little research before playing the games s/he gets as gifts.  A lot of games are pretty heavily hyped and advertised these days.  That doesn't mean that they are excellent games (STO comes immediately to mind) or even games that I personally want to play (too many games to list come to mind here).  There are a lot of places that accept trade-ins of games and a game that is still wrapped in the cellophane and is brand new is going to get you a much higher store credit than a game that has been used.  Take the store credit and get a game that you actually want to play and have fun. 

Alternately, OP, hope your family and friends start doing like most of my family started doing more than twenty years ago when it comes to anything game or clothing related and starts buying you gift cards or gift certificates instead so you can get what you really want. ;)