Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Agricola1

Hey guys could we please have a little more doom and gloom as I don't think you've quite got the message over yet?

On a more serious note I think since they're an independant operation and are doing their best they should be given a break. Yeah this game isn't going to be a LotRO launch no matter how far it gets pushed back, anyone can try it for free right now and make their own judgement. Everyone already agrees that it isn't ready for a launch right now, but if they've got to launch then they've got to launch. MO will just get slated and it'll be slaughtered by the press, I think we all know this. Right now I'd just like to hear what SV is doing, the doom and glooming is just flogging a dead horse right now until we get some better info about launch.

Why should they be given a break? Are they a charity or non profit? Last time I checked they were trying to play like big boys and girls. This whole....they are indie....give them money...forgive them for everything because they cannot afford thing crap is hitting an annoying high.  We as consumers have hit a new low and frankly its a bit sad. 

 Maybe I should've been a bit clearer, I didn't mean give them a break as in give them money to eat their shit sandwich and smile because it's an independent company. I meant give them a break as in we know the state of the game and you can buy it after trying it first so no need to constantly ride Henrik and co like a two dollar whore because you're not getting updates every day.

I mean fine you can give them crap but maybe wind it back a bit and not make a new thread every hour about how pissed off you are with SV and regurgitate the same complaints you made in the other threads.

Just my opinion though, sorry if I was unclear before.

So much for that announcement... unless it was made to the super-secret insiders group on IRC...

Originally posted by Slapshot1188

So much for that announcement... unless it was made to the super-secret insiders group on IRC...

Update will be on monday

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Agricola1

Hey guys could we please have a little more doom and gloom as I don't think you've quite got the message over yet?

On a more serious note I think since they're an independant operation and are doing their best they should be given a break. Yeah this game isn't going to be a LotRO launch no matter how far it gets pushed back, anyone can try it for free right now and make their own judgement. Everyone already agrees that it isn't ready for a launch right now, but if they've got to launch then they've got to launch. MO will just get slated and it'll be slaughtered by the press, I think we all know this. Right now I'd just like to hear what SV is doing, the doom and glooming is just flogging a dead horse right now until we get some better info about launch.

Why should they be given a break? Are they a charity or non profit? Last time I checked they were trying to play like big boys and girls. This whole....they are indie....give them money...forgive them for everything because they cannot afford thing crap is hitting an annoying high.  We as consumers have hit a new low and frankly its a bit sad. 

 Maybe I should've been a bit clearer, I didn't mean give them a break as in give them money to eat their shit sandwich and smile because it's an independent company. I meant give them a break as in we know the state of the game and you can buy it after trying it first so no need to constantly ride Henrik and co like a two dollar whore because you're not getting updates every day.

I mean fine you can give them crap but maybe wind it back a bit and not make a new thread every hour about how pissed off you are with SV and regurgitate the same complaints you made in the other threads.

Just my opinion though, sorry if I was unclear before.

Sorry then. I thought it was the same tired...they're indie excuses. My fault.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Agricola1

Hey guys could we please have a little more doom and gloom as I don't think you've quite got the message over yet?

On a more serious note I think since they're an independant operation and are doing their best they should be given a break. Yeah this game isn't going to be a LotRO launch no matter how far it gets pushed back, anyone can try it for free right now and make their own judgement. Everyone already agrees that it isn't ready for a launch right now, but if they've got to launch then they've got to launch. MO will just get slated and it'll be slaughtered by the press, I think we all know this. Right now I'd just like to hear what SV is doing, the doom and glooming is just flogging a dead horse right now until we get some better info about launch.

Why should they be given a break? Are they a charity or non profit? Last time I checked they were trying to play like big boys and girls. This whole....they are indie....give them money...forgive them for everything because they cannot afford thing crap is hitting an annoying high.  We as consumers have hit a new low and frankly its a bit sad. 

 Maybe I should've been a bit clearer, I didn't mean give them a break as in give them money to eat their shit sandwich and smile because it's an independent company. I meant give them a break as in we know the state of the game and you can buy it after trying it first so no need to constantly ride Henrik and co like a two dollar whore because you're not getting updates every day.

I mean fine you can give them crap but maybe wind it back a bit and not make a new thread every hour about how pissed off you are with SV and regurgitate the same complaints you made in the other threads.

Just my opinion though, sorry if I was unclear before.

Sorry then. I thought it was the same tired...they're indie excuses. My fault.

 NP, I agree that no one should just pay for the game because it's an indie developer or because they believe in some potential. I bought the game because I do kind of like it even in the current state, I know I must be losing my marbles or something but I do enjoy it for now anyway.

I'm just a sucker for seamless open worlds and some FFA PvP, it's my MMORPG weakness and I'll bite on any shit sandwich that has it in there!

Oh God, please let this game die. It's been wheezing, coughing, and barely existing on life-support for so long I can't even remember when it had a potiental future. Pull the plug already!

Originally posted by Agricola1

Originally posted by pythi

I would like to point out SV saying that no publisher will allow it to remain "hard core" has to be him talking out his ass, if a publisher is interested in MO, and the supporters of MO are all for "hard core" why would the publisher force a change on the games basic mechanics in order for them to publish it. Quite simply either no one is interested in publishing it in the first place, or more likely this guy is delusional in his thinking (He thinks he will get more profits without spliting, he truly thinks publishers will make him change the way the game works, or this is my personal opinion he is forming a cult!)

 Please name a western MMORPG that released in the last 10 years with a seperate publisher and is now considered a hardcore MMORPG. Off the top of my head that's a nice round number and it's zero, once you sell your soul to a publisher they control the money and the course of the project. The suits don't play MMORPGs and aren't interested in Henrik or what he wants to make, they immediately start studying WoW and how come that has 11 million subscribers and after about 2 minutes they're all chomping at the bit for a piece of that action.

Before long you'll be playing Mortalcraft Online doing your quest chain to level 80 and mashing the same two keys to insta victory then when the population realise they're paying to play a shitty WoW copy they leave and go back to WoW. Saying that Henrik is delusional because he recognises this obvious fact to anyone who's been slightly interested in MMORPGs for a few months is a bit silly. He isn't delusional because he's right, publishers don't want to fund a Darkfall. CCP is the only one I can think of that launched with a publisher but that was in 2003 and S&S dropped them like a bad habit within 6 months and they had to scrape the money together to buy the rights to their game back or shutdown the server! That was before the WoW era too!

 It's not the genre that publishers don't want to fund. It's the fact that the company is made up of a small underskilled staff, and no publisher will invest in that unless they get to say what goes on.

Which seems reasonable, I wouldn't wan't to invest millions of dollars into a project and not have a say at what's going on.

Originally posted by Bertiaux

Oh God, please let this game die. It's been wheezing, coughing, and barely existing on life-support for so long I can't even remember when it had a potiental future. Pull the plug already!

We are already waiting lol

Originally posted by Bertiaux

Oh God, please let this game die. It's been wheezing, coughing, and barely existing on life-support for so long I can't even remember when it had a potiental future. Pull the plug already!

Why do you care?

I've seen a lot of MO fans say they don't care about the bugs because "bugs will always be fixed at some point".

The thing is that's just not true. In the case of latency/desync for example, it's probably due to a bad software architecture design and it just might never get solved. Or if it is, it could mean some features might get removed (or at least altered for the worse).

Originally posted by Torgrim

Originally posted by Bertiaux

Oh God, please let this game die. It's been wheezing, coughing, and barely existing on life-support for so long I can't even remember when it had a potiental future. Pull the plug already!

Why do you care?

Why do you care that I care?

Originally posted by admiralnlson

I've seen a lot of MO fans say they don't care about the bugs because "bugs will always be fixed at some point".

The thing is that's just not true. In the case of latency/desync for example, it's probably due to a bad software architecture design and it just might never get solved. Or if it is, it could mean some features might get removed (or at least altered for the worse).

They have already altered the game in hopes of masking major technical issues.  (by the last poll for the worse)  I'm referring to the book and background additions.  Skills still are screwed up since the change and it did little for the "database" issue.

Originally posted by HanoverZ

They have already altered the game in hopes of masking major technical issues.  (by the last poll for the worse)  I'm referring to the book and background additions.  Skills still are screwed up since the change and it did little for the "database" issue.

 Somehow I doubt you're referring to this poll, the only one I found referring to major technical issues and whether people found it made things worse.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/beta-discussion-poll1769-vote-our-latest-desync-experience-now.html

17th March 2010, 10:35 #1 (permalink)
Henrik Nystrom
 

It's time for another vote on desync issue.
We just applied a possible fix 20 min ago, 16:04 GMT+1
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Worse  17.44%
Same  21.85%
Better  50.99%
Perfect  9.71%

If you are referring to another poll please provide a link, otherwise it looks like there is no substance behind your argument.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1069090
 

Originally posted by osmunda

 Does anybody really know what time it is
 Does anybody really care
If so I can't imagine why

And if they did care, would anybody really care and who would care about that, ad infinitum.

Chicago? Really? Chicago?

/slaps osmunda with a fish...

Originally posted by osmunda

Originally posted by HanoverZ

They have already altered the game in hopes of masking major technical issues.  (by the last poll for the worse)  I'm referring to the book and background additions.  Skills still are screwed up since the change and it did little for the "database" issue.

 Somehow I doubt you're referring to this poll, the only one I found referring to major technical issues and whether people found it made things worse.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/beta-discussion-poll1769-vote-our-latest-desync-experience-now.html

17th March 2010, 10:35 #1 (permalink)
Henrik Nystrom
 

It's time for another vote on desync issue.
We just applied a possible fix 20 min ago, 16:04 GMT+1
__________________
 

Worse  17.44%
Same  21.85%
Better  50.99%
Perfect  9.71%

If you are referring to another poll please provide a link, otherwise it looks like there is no substance behind your argument.
 

Theres no arguement or debate, its a fact.   I could care less for your feelings on the subject and no that isnt the poll. I was referring to the poll regarding my post as stated

Originally posted by HanoverZ

Theres no arguement or debate, its a fact.   I could care less for your feelings on the subject and no that isnt the poll. I was referring to the poll regarding my post as stated

 Nor did i mention my feelings. Please post a link to the poll you are referring to.

I saw some @sskicking monsters in their trailers, and their world looks pretty awesome. I wonder if they could raise some cash licensing out assets like that?

Regarding buying the game though, I'd like to go explore their world, but I read that it's really empty. If they put in some things to discover and maybe a mapmaking feature, I think I could waste some time there.

Originally posted by wootin

I saw some @sskicking monsters in their trailers, and their world looks pretty awesome. I wonder if they could raise some cash licensing out assets like that?

Regarding buying the game though, I'd like to go explore their world, but I read that it's really empty. If they put in some things to discover and maybe a mapmaking feature, I think I could waste some time there.

 Free open beta until release.

Originally posted by osmunda

Originally posted by wootin

I saw some @sskicking monsters in their trailers, and their world looks pretty awesome. I wonder if they could raise some cash licensing out assets like that?

Regarding buying the game though, I'd like to go explore their world, but I read that it's really empty. If they put in some things to discover and maybe a mapmaking feature, I think I could waste some time there.

 Free open beta until release.

Ya i do not understand why games make their world so empty,even if they can't afford to make new content,just litter the emptiness with mobs you already made.Darkfall did the same thing,i could walk for an hour and see nothing,i just shake my head and think of laziness.

If it is not laziness,because dotting some more mobs around the world is absolutely effortless,one person in a few hours could manage it,then what is the problem?The ONLY thing i can think of is,developers are doing a poor job of zoning their maps,and if they try to add anymore content,the loading/hitching gets real bad,other than that,i can't think of anything.

None the less,this is an Indie developer,using their own money,i wish people would realize that and treat them like an Indie developer and not expect Blizzard/SOE/Square here.

Originally posted by Wizardry

 

None the less,this is an Indie developer,using their own money,i wish people would realize that and treat them like an Indie developer and not expect Blizzard/SOE/Square here.

A business is a business.  I expect the same level of service and quality of merchandise from a independent merchant as i do a major chain.    SV is trying to charge Six Flags prices for a tire and rope swing.