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  User Deleted
3/16/10 3:50:38 PM#121
Originally posted by Kyroz

I don't have to justify my play style to you or any other player for that matter.


 

No, you don't have to, but you do have to GTFO though... nah, i'm kidding... or am I?! lol :P

  Mariner-80

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3/16/10 3:51:56 PM#122

I largely (probably 90 to 95%) solo all of the MMOs I play.

Why then play an MMO?

--Because MMOs are simply great fun, even if played solo
--Because MMO are, for the most part, very large sandbox-style worlds and with a constant influx of new features and content
--Because MMOs feel more "alive" than SPRPGs, with live players populating the cities and world going about their own business
--Because I enjoy (sometimes...) listening to the dialog/chat -- and occasionally laugh at that or learn something useful
--Because players are unpredictable and can thus make the game world unpredictable by their very presence
--Because I like how in an MMO something I do can affect or assist another random player and vice versa
--Because I like having a player-driven economy/crafting system
--Because I like having the option (on VERY RARE OCCASIONS) of teaming up with a friend or a small group

That's why and how I can enjoy a game such as WoW or LotRO or Guild Wars even though I very seldom group with another player.

I don't get why that would be hard to understand. MMOs are like vast single-player playgrounds but with a lot of bonus features that single-player games don't have.

  User Deleted
3/16/10 3:53:04 PM#123

Don't worry it's probably protected in the constitution.

That probably explains why there is so many of them.

 

  Deivos

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Iarð skal rifna, ok upphiminn.

3/16/10 3:55:04 PM#124

Well, you see, the problem with playing solo games is that many of them you play through with level appropriate challenging content that will force the player to actually use a modicum of skill. Most people don't like that.

 

So they play an MMO or other such game, where they can outstrip their opposition and feel like gods as they farm their way through the weaker hordes! Same principle behind playing PvP in an MMO rather than a good shooter or action combat game. They prefer it when they can feel like they're skilled by sizing up numbers rather than actual ability.

 

the other aspect is story line, or plot. They don't want 'prose' and 'depth' getting in the way of their attempt of genocide upon the NPC, MOB, and player populations. They don't want to spend time cogitating over an intriguing story when they can instead be finding something squishy to obliterate.

 

Dey wants dem game like how dey wants dem dinner. Easy, accessible, and incapable of offering challenge or intrigue.

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  Axehilt

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3/16/10 3:55:33 PM#125
Originally posted by Mellow44
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Mellow44
Originally posted by Axehilt

Really simple:

  • If solo gameplay was all you sought, you wouldn't play MMOs.
  • For the overwhelming majority of MMOers, solo gameplay isn't all they seek.

 Even the most hardcore solo player finds value in the game they play being an MMO, or they wouldn't be there.

 Nah, they just want to talk smack in the chat channels and show off their gear.
 

"Nah"?  But...you're agreeing with me...

You're stating one of the reasons solo gameplay isn't all MMO players seek.  You're stating one of the reasons "the most hardcore solo player finds value in the game being an MMO".

 If being a shallow douchebag is finding value in the game being an MMO then I guess that they do. 


 

Well I don't write DNA, so I have no control over the instincts and environmental factors that cause douchebaggery.

I just seek to develop an understanding of why games appeal to various people.  Douchebags, being a non-trivial part of society, are part of this.

  Deivos

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Iarð skal rifna, ok upphiminn.

3/16/10 3:58:26 PM#126

Aw dang, looks like some one else is waxing sarcasm harder than I am all ready. Guess I should have read more of this thread first. XD

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  spookydom

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3/16/10 3:58:28 PM#127

Sometimes I like to group, sometimes I like to play solo. What I do like is the freedom to play either way without some self important little turd telling me how I should play a game i'm paying for.

  User Deleted
3/16/10 3:58:35 PM#128
Originally posted by Deivos

Well, you see, the problem with playing solo games is that many of them you play through with level appropriate challenging content that will force the player to actually use a modicum of skill. Most people don't like that.

 

So they play an MMO or other such game, where they can outstrip their opposition and feel like gods as they farm their way through the weaker hordes! Same principle behind playing PvP in an MMO rather than a good shooter or action combat game. They prefer it when they can feel like they're skilled by sizing up numbers rather than actual ability.

 

the other aspect is story line, or plot. They don't want 'prose' and 'depth' getting in the way of their attempt of genocide upon the NPC, MOB, and player populations. They don't want to spend time cogitating over an intriguing story when they can instead be finding something squishy to obliterate.

 

Dey wants dem game like how dey wants dem dinner. Easy, accessible, and incapable of offering challenge or intrigue.


 

Couldn't be more spot on! Well said sir. :)

  User Deleted
3/16/10 3:59:59 PM#129
Originally posted by Nekrataal
Originally posted by Kyroz

I don't have to justify my play style to you or any other player for that matter.


 

No, you don't have to, but you do have to GTFO though... nah, i'm kidding... or am I?! lol :P


 

Luckily for soloers like me, developers are more than willing to cater to us to some degree.  So, in the end, that makes us a significant component of the MMO market and worthy of attention by game makers and no matter how much you people whine and complain, it won't change that fact.

  skeaser

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3/16/10 4:03:59 PM#130
Originally posted by Toquio3

Awwww, thats so cute. Another person who doesnt understand this. Some people just refuse to live and let live.

And you don't seem to understand that some of us want group content from level 1 onward.



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  Drakynn

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3/16/10 4:06:14 PM#131

May as well ask why some people buy a PvE-centric MMO and spend their whole time whining about the lack of PvP or a PvP-centric MMO and complain how shallow the PvE is.Or buy a "theme Park" MMO and complain how it's not  a sandbox etc.People,especially people with anonymity,will do and say anything.At least a percentage of people will.Learn to live with it or don't play games with other people.

 

  User Deleted
3/16/10 4:08:36 PM#132
Originally posted by Kyroz
Originally posted by Nekrataal
Originally posted by Kyroz

I don't have to justify my play style to you or any other player for that matter.


 

No, you don't have to, but you do have to GTFO though... nah, i'm kidding... or am I?! lol :P


 

Luckily for soloers like me, developers are more than willing to cater to us to some degree.  So, in the end, that makes us a significant component of the MMO market and worthy of attention by game makers and no matter how much you people whine and complain, it won't change that fact.


 

Ya, luckily for us greed is what drives everything now a day instead of ethic... So no matter that MMO's aren't even MMO's anymore, you win I lose right?

What you don't realize is that nobody wins in the end with where we are heading( or already at) in todays game market.

  Hincha

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3/16/10 4:17:08 PM#133
Originally posted by Nekrataal
Originally posted by Kyroz
Originally posted by Nekrataal
Originally posted by Kyroz

I don't have to justify my play style to you or any other player for that matter.


 

No, you don't have to, but you do have to GTFO though... nah, i'm kidding... or am I?! lol :P


 

Luckily for soloers like me, developers are more than willing to cater to us to some degree.  So, in the end, that makes us a significant component of the MMO market and worthy of attention by game makers and no matter how much you people whine and complain, it won't change that fact.


 

Ya, luckily for us greed is what drives everything now a day instead of ethic... So no matter that MMO's aren't even MMO's anymore, you win I lose right?

What you don't realize is that nobody wins in the end with where we are heading( or already at) in todays game market.

Why aren't MMO's MMO's aymore? I stll group when I want to, i still buy/sell stuff from the AH? I like having a laugh with people who play the same game (even though I'm not always in a group with them). An MMO has a factor of not being alone in the world, even if you are playing solo. If that will cost me €15, so be it
 

  User Deleted
3/16/10 4:25:57 PM#134
Originally posted by Hincha
Originally posted by Nekrataal
Originally posted by Kyroz
Originally posted by Nekrataal
Originally posted by Kyroz

I don't have to justify my play style to you or any other player for that matter.


 

No, you don't have to, but you do have to GTFO though... nah, i'm kidding... or am I?! lol :P


 

Luckily for soloers like me, developers are more than willing to cater to us to some degree.  So, in the end, that makes us a significant component of the MMO market and worthy of attention by game makers and no matter how much you people whine and complain, it won't change that fact.


 

Ya, luckily for us greed is what drives everything now a day instead of ethic... So no matter that MMO's aren't even MMO's anymore, you win I lose right?

What you don't realize is that nobody wins in the end with where we are heading( or already at) in todays game market.

Why aren't MMO's MMO's aymore? I stll group when I want to, i still buy/sell stuff from the AH? I like having a laugh with people who play the same game (even though I'm not always in a group with them). An MMO has a factor of not being alone in the world, even if you are playing solo. If that will cost me €15, so be it
 

A picture is worth a thousand words they say, but I suck at it so meh.. this is where I stop with this topic. Anyways, pictures don't really help with the blinds.
 

/peace out

  maimeekrai

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3/16/10 4:32:50 PM#135
Originally posted by Nekrataal
Originally posted by Hincha
Originally posted by Nekrataal
Originally posted by Kyroz
Originally posted by Nekrataal
Originally posted by Kyroz

I don't have to justify my play style to you or any other player for that matter.


 

No, you don't have to, but you do have to GTFO though... nah, i'm kidding... or am I?! lol :P


 

Luckily for soloers like me, developers are more than willing to cater to us to some degree.  So, in the end, that makes us a significant component of the MMO market and worthy of attention by game makers and no matter how much you people whine and complain, it won't change that fact.


 

Ya, luckily for us greed is what drives everything now a day instead of ethic... So no matter that MMO's aren't even MMO's anymore, you win I lose right?

What you don't realize is that nobody wins in the end with where we are heading( or already at) in todays game market.

Why aren't MMO's MMO's aymore? I stll group when I want to, i still buy/sell stuff from the AH? I like having a laugh with people who play the same game (even though I'm not always in a group with them). An MMO has a factor of not being alone in the world, even if you are playing solo. If that will cost me €15, so be it
 

A picture is worth a thousand words they say, but I suck at it so meh.. this is where I stop with this topic. Anyways, pictures don't really help with the blinds.
 

/peace out

Pictures don't help with the "sighted" either, if they refuse to look at them or only look at the ones they deem worthy....

 

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  User Deleted
3/17/10 12:20:01 AM#136

More hardcores playing the drama card, pictures, blinders......blah......blah.......blah......neeener........neeener..........neeener and so forth.

  Nethermancer

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3/17/10 12:29:37 AM#137

Its very narrow minded to think the only reason to play an MMO is to do everything in a group. I am sure everyone before me covered the reasons why this is narrow minded so i wont bother.

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  Palebane

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3/17/10 12:44:12 AM#138

This debate was a lot hotter before the Looking for Dungeon system introduced in World of Warcraft. Thankfully, in that game, there is no longer a large distinction between solo and group players. You can do either one any time you like, pretty much. Now that you can get a group any time you want, there is one less excuse not to group. I know there are others, but that was a big one and has been pretty much eliminated in WoW at least.

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  Darthconnor

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3/17/10 12:44:53 AM#139

A game that never stands still has no end and evolves with the times i guess. Plus i can when i feel like it jump in a group and chat or fight with other players. Just cause you like to solo doesnt mean you never group, just means when you think you can do something on your own your gonna. To many  soloers are some kind of insane person fresh out of a mental ward. Mostly i like MMO's cause even if i complete and do everything it has to offer theres always a chance that later they will add more content i can play. Not to many other games types change or add more to the game.

  Cephus404

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3/17/10 1:38:26 PM#140
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by Axehilt

Why do you play an MMO?

Your answer will include a combination of features, at least some of which are MMO-specific.  Which was the point of my previous post.  Even if the majority of things you're after in a game are solo gameplay, if you're playing an MMO it's because there was something specific to MMOs that you also wanted from a game.

Because there is more content in an MMO than there is in any single-player game under the sun, it takes months or years to explore an MMO, as opposed to a week or two for a single-player game.

Has zero to do with people, grouping, etc.

 

Fair enough.

Just curious: do you play single-player games and then use MMOs to "fill in the gaps" while you wait for the next singleplayer game?

 Sometimes, sure. In fact, after I got tired of MMOs last summer and dropped my subs, I went through and played (or re-played) a good dozen or so single-player games. Now I'm out of single-player games to play so I'm waiting for either a decent MMO or a new decent single-player game to come out.

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