Originally posted by Toquio3

Because we all know that if science cannot explain what happens after death, then it must be god, right? Religion: the only system of belief that proves things by the lack of evidence.

Sigmund Freud said, "Science does not need to prove itself, nor do I see any reason why it should."

Your faith in science is as blind as you say Faith in Religion is. What "scientific" studies have you done to prove your theories? For all you know it could all be made up. Your flaw lies in your requirement for evidence. The only evidence you will ever get about ANYTHING is in your heart mind and soul. Where is science without the mind? What makes you so sure that the scientists and the experiments are infallible? Only God is infallible.

It is only ignorance that makes you doubt religion. Do you claim to know everything? Science is lame without religion, but religion IS a science, you just do not understand enough about it.

Ask the question in you heart and mind, "Does God exist?" YOu will get the answer to the affirmative.

Peace out!

Originally posted by buddhaneo

Originally posted by Toquio3

Because we all know that if science cannot explain what happens after death, then it must be god, right? Religion: the only system of belief that proves things by the lack of evidence.

 

Sigmund Freud said, "Science does not need to prove itself, nor do I see any reason why it should."

Your faith in science is as blind as you say Faith in Religion is. What "scientific" studies have you done to prove your theories? For all you know it could all be made up. Your flaw lies in your requirement for evidence. The only evidence you will ever get about ANYTHING is in your heart mind and soul. Where is science without the mind? What makes you so sure that the scientists and the experiments are infallible? Only God is infallible.

It is only ignorance that makes you doubt religion. Do you claim to know everything? Science is lame without religion, but religion IS a science, you just do not understand enough about it.

Ask the question in you heart and mind, "Does God exist?" YOu will get the answer to the affirmative.

Peace out!

Its not faith. I know, you cant comprehend anything other than faith, but its not.

and that second hghlight is just adorable. I dont claim to know everything, unlike religion.

Actually, I think you're just joking. Your post cannot be serious. nvm.

I agree with some of the OP's points. But all things in moderation.
 

The children the OP references have parents who have to provide for them. So while my kids may want to play all the time, as an adult my play time is much more limited.

Originally posted by buddhaneo

Originally posted by Toquio3

Because we all know that if science cannot explain what happens after death, then it must be god, right? Religion: the only system of belief that proves things by the lack of evidence.

 

Sigmund Freud said, "Science does not need to prove itself, nor do I see any reason why it should."

Your faith in science is as blind as you say Faith in Religion is. What "scientific" studies have you done to prove your theories? For all you know it could all be made up. Your flaw lies in your requirement for evidence. The only evidence you will ever get about ANYTHING is in your heart mind and soul. Where is science without the mind? What makes you so sure that the scientists and the experiments are infallible? Only God is infallible.

It is only ignorance that makes you doubt religion. Do you claim to know everything? Science is lame without religion, but religion IS a science, you just do not understand enough about it.

Ask the question in you heart and mind, "Does God exist?" YOu will get the answer to the affirmative.

Peace out!

All I know is after working 12 years in trauma, 2 years on a cancer ward, and 4 months in a burn clinic (Icould not hack that one for long  )
Is that if you have the time and awareness to do something before you die. I have only met one person who was true in her conviction of being an atheist. everyone else requested prayer.

So many may state they don't believe, but many still have that doubt.

I feel you only get one ride, jsut enjoy it and quit worrying about the destination. As long as you aren't hurting others, and you are happy. Then why question it.

We all get to die, no one is left behind.

hahaahahh  Games aren't Real life !! ... u need to get more out often then wearing a planket over ur head all the time u no lifer  if u play games all of ur life ull get fat and loneley poor and prolbary get evrything from u if thats ''JOY'' then u need a doctor

Originally posted by buddhaneo
 

Sigmund Freud said, "Science does not need to prove itself, nor do I see any reason why it should."

I'll bet he said that during one of his many cocaine binges.

Originally posted by buddhaneo

Sigmund Freud said, "Science does not need to prove itself, nor do I see any reason why it should."

Freud also said that if you organize things alphabetically you have an anal fixation. He said a lot of things really, most of which is nowadays considered rubbish.

 I imagine this thread has too much religion in it and will be locked soon.

Science does prove itself, that is the sole purpose of science. You get a theory and attempt to prove it through experiments, show the results to other scientists who challenge and re-test the results. If it passes this scrutiny it becomes scientific fact.

Theory ------> Testing --------> Scientific Fact

Religion goes like this.

Religion ------> ????? ---------> Profit    

Originally posted by viddster

Theory ------> Testing --------> Scientific Fact

No, games are not real life. The reason we play them is the same reason that we watch movies, reads books, play any kind of game and so on.

It is good to take a break from reality some times. Call it vacation of the mind if you want to.

And it is kinda a waste of time but if you spend all your time on work and other real things it will get boring.

There are other ways to get out of reality for a while, like drinking beer and it is basically the same things that makes us do that also.

The problem is if your reality sucks so bad that you want to spend all your time in a fantasy, where you will learn little of use, that is a big waste of time. Relaxing with a game or a good movie is not the same thing as live for your game,

Gaming is relaxing but if you just relax and don't ever work you become lazy fast.

Originally posted by buddhaneo
 Sigmund Freud said, "Science does not need to prove itself, nor do I see any reason why it should."

Your faith in science is as blind as you say Faith in Religion is. What "scientific" studies have you done to prove your theories? For all you know it could all be made up. Your flaw lies in your requirement for evidence. The only evidence you will ever get about ANYTHING is in your heart mind and soul. Where is science without the mind? What makes you so sure that the scientists and the experiments are infallible? Only God is infallible.

It is only ignorance that makes you doubt religion. Do you claim to know everything? Science is lame without religion, but religion IS a science, you just do not understand enough about it.

Ask the question in you heart and mind, "Does God exist?" YOu will get the answer to the affirmative.

Peace out!

You know, the whole god is infalliable thing is the biggest proof for he doesn't exist or if he does he can make a mess. Just look on how the world is today makes me rather critical.

Believing what every scientist say is stupid, it takes some studies to actually know if there is a point to it or not. But scientist can admit that they were wrong, in relegion everything is static and that is the reason I prefer science in front of religion.

But this thread is not about religion, we could discuss that until end of days and if you want a long discussion about it, make a correct thread.

Games are real Life?!

To those of us who work on them for a living, sure...but in a much different way.

Fewer and fewer kids are graduating high school. More and more of our 20-somethings are doing nothing with themselves but smokin' buds, drinking beers and playing games. ..or going to college, but skipping classes to go raid in WoW.  Meantime we send tons of jobs overseas because the people here are either too expensive or too stupid (Sometimes both, which is even worse)....

....and then i read threads like this...

All I can say is this line of thinking is job security for me, though it is still incredibly depressing. in 30 years when the game addicts of today are supposed to be the leaders of tomorrow....I guess all those other countries will be outsourcing they're crap work to us...

Commercial Video games are entertainment.....and NOTHING more

It's anchor MAN, not anchor LADY, and that is scientific FACT!!!

Perhaps you are thinking scienceTRIFFIC.

Perhaps philosophy isn't scientific either. Ponder.

Why is your philosophy any more correct that religion, religion is the word of God, how can you beat that? More pondering please.

God invented and desinged video games as well as everything else in your life, but what in your life is REALLY that good? Video games right. God is Good, you can't qustion that.

You're obviously bad and it says that in the Bible. Who can argue with the Truth. The Truth will set you free - how free are you? IF you are not free then you don't have the Truth.

When there are no more athiests, then we will see a Golden Age and not before. God is working on it and nobody can stop the Will of God.

Peace out!

Games are not RL.

I saw folks saying their lives were RUINED when SWG was changed to NGE.

Yes I emphasized RUINED. They were actually posting this spew. You see it till this very day around these brds...folks unable to let go of a game like it is an actual person.

IMO it is totally unheathly. A restraining order waiting to happen.

Someone mentioned you can always find a stereotype of folks having problems with video games....I would say my example is the epitome of it.

Originally posted by Fact

We no longer require a god, we have science as a replacement now. 

I choose to use science as a way to understand God's greatness. I find out how things work, but instead of using those facts to try to replace God, I think to myself, "Wow. He gave me this capacity, this desire to learn and to understand, and I thank Him for it."

That's just my choice, though. I don't see why science and God have to conflict. Those who use science to disprove God are twisting it, just like everything else can be twisted. Many great scientists were, gasp, Christians. It would be cruel if you created something intelligent but didn't give it the ability to comprehend how the world around it works.

As for the OP, I think you're overly optimistic. The "if it feels good, do it" path is a straight shot to Hell. That's what it seems like you were trying to say. Our natural state, before the Fall (Adam and Eve), was joy and bliss, but now we're cursed by sin. Now, what makes us happy or blissful may be wrong. If we find happiness without sinning, that makes God happy. Certainly, video games wouldn't be sinful, as long as you recognize they're entertainment products and nothing more. A good game will engross you and captivate you... for as long as you play it.

It seems like you're taking video games too seriously, that's all. Use them to relax, to relieve some stress, and have fun. But the pursuit of having fun all the time is wrong. You need to work, you need to have responsibility, and you need to recognize other things that are important. Someone mentioned his wife and kids. They're not "fun" all the time, are they? Yet they're still special, and they're worth more than any video game ever will be.

Edit: Hah, after reading most of these other posts, I'm tempted to share my views on religion, but I don't want this to get locked.

Often for people their real life is not their day to day existance. This is not to say that their real life is unsatifactory in anyway it just that imagination allows a dimension that will never be possible in "reality".

In real life, I'm not a hero, with epic adventures to undertake. While I might snowboard, and drive a large motorcycle, I have not any intention of seriously of risking my life. Nor do I intent to get into any fights, for all that I have studied martial arts for decades.

However, my sneaky goblin shaman is not adverse to taking risks to kill one more 'uman. My starship will brave the dangers of 0.0 space; and my Orc army never takes prisoners. Even my iphone vampire is evil deviously bloodsucker.

The important bit here is having fun; whether it is a film, book, or computer game. Like anything, taken to extremes it can affect relationships, important things in life (like making enough money to be confortable, maintain relationships, and raise children correctly). Interestingly, there is always complaints about gaming addiction but never addiction to books or television.

On the subject of Freud, I think he said that people's fanasty life was more important to them than their real life. Without a doubt this true for all of us with the intellect to imagine how things could be, and how we could be. Take the film "Shakespear in Love", a great film where we develop a great deal of affinity for Shakespear and his love interest; or even "Silence of the Lambs" where we all in some sense want to be Hannibal - as unpleasant as his personality is. Of course Freud is considered very flawed by today's standards but it is important to understand his theories in the historical context; his work was revolutionary at the time, even if much of it is now considered "wrong". We don't say that Newton was wrong with the same damning condemnation as we do Freud (must be all those feminists - and their penis envy).

As for religion; it would be so much better if the great influence these institution have was curtailed. I'm all for having personal beliefs but organised religions allows men to beat up their wives, castrate their daughters, people to kill people, and unfettered reproduction, and don't start me on allowing millions to die as the Popes have a thing about condoms. And not to mention as a means to "steal" money through "donations", and child abuse by priests (and others in religious institutions).

So please don't equate science, which has to be supported and proven by facts and rational thought, with something someone wrote down a few millenium ago and has been corrupted and translated by various interested parties ever since (and is not allowed to be questioned by common sense - ever).

Not that I am anti-religion; I think at time of great trouble, religion can be of great support, and in theory, it can be a source of moral guidance - it is just a shame that many exploit this as a means of contolling people and their thougths.

Originally posted by noblot

Often for people their real life is not their day to day existance. This is not to say that their real life is unsatifactory in anyway it just that imagination allows a dimension that will never be possible in "reality".

In real life, I'm not a hero, with epic adventures to undertake. While I might snowboard, and drive a large motorcycle, I have not any intention of seriously of risking my life. Nor do I intent to get into any fights, for all that I have studied martial arts for decades.

However, my sneaky goblin shaman is not adverse to taking risks to kill one more 'uman. My starship will brave the dangers of 0.0 space; and my Orc army never takes prisoners. Even my iphone vampire is evil deviously bloodsucker.

The important bit here is having fun; whether it is a film, book, or computer game. Like anything, taken to extremes it can affect relationships, important things in life (like making enough money to be confortable, maintain relationships, and raise children correctly). Interestingly, there is always complaints about gaming addiction but never addiction to books or television.

On the subject of Freud, I think he said that people's fanasty life was more important to them than their real life. Without a doubt this true for all of us with the intellect to imagine how things could be, and how we could be. Take the film "Shakespear in Love", a great film where we develop a great deal of affinity for Shakespear and his love interest; or even "Silence of the Lambs" where we all in some sense want to be Hannibal - as unpleasant as his personality is. Of course Freud is considered very flawed by today's standards but it is important to understand his theories in the historical context; his work was revolutionary at the time, even if much of it is now considered "wrong". We don't say that Newton was wrong with the same damning condemnation as we do Freud (must be all those feminists - and their penis envy).

As for religion; it would be so much better if the great influence these institution have was curtailed. I'm all for having personal beliefs but organised religions allows men to beat up their wives, castrate their daughters, people to kill people, and unfettered reproduction, and don't start me on allowing millions to die as the Popes have a thing about condoms. And not to mention as a means to "steal" money through "donations", and child abuse by priests (and others in religious institutions).

So please don't equate science, which has to be supported and proven by facts and rational thought, with something someone wrote down a few millenium ago and has been corrupted and translated by various interested parties ever since (and is not allowed to be questioned by common sense - ever).

Not that I am anti-religion; I think at time of great trouble, religion can be of great support, and in theory, it can be a source of moral guidance - it is just a shame that many exploit this as a means of contolling people and their thougths.

What a rant!!! I'd call you a raving loony but the moderators wouldn't like that. Remember I want what you want. What we all want and I am willing to go as far as you are to get it (further, much further - you think you can take it only so far). Well done, I applaud you!!! (for your efforts) Now you are getting the help you need. Religion isn't about controlling it's about getting what you want and perhaps most importantly give your children the best life possible?

What are your THORts? By the way I am designing a THOR MMORPG as well as many others including a prison one and one called 2010. Thats what you want isn't it. Nobody is more religious that Me and I am about giving you what you want, that's what religion is all about as I said. It's what I want to do the most, apart from you know what. *grin*

It's clear, by your name, you know you are a LIFE noob, not a noob for life, but a noob about LIfe, and a noob in LIfe and I am the Master. It's shape up or ship out and I am NOT going to throw you overboard, every crew member has a purpose, great or small. I can teach you to become Great even though it will take some time. I told you I am prepared to do what it takes. I am here for you, my Love.

Peace out!

OP?

Are you skitso? Bi polard?

Or a born again?

You sounds like you might be all 3?

While I must agree that games are enjoyable it is not necessarily real life. I think that by making games real life people are at risk of losing touch with reality. I am glad that I am capable of distinguishing between the two because I must acknowledge that some days I wish the world in Ryzom was the world I lived in because the stress of my day disappears when I am playing the game. But this line of thinking becomes problematic if one crosses the line and makes the MMO world their substitute for the real world permanently.

So these have become religion vs science brds now?

I dont understand how this topic continues....If God didnt create whatever caused the so called "BIG BANG"...then who did?

I believe a simple concept is that you cant have something from nothing.

Somewhere/somehow something had to of started it all. If you follow that trail back far enough, you have to come to what intitially set things in motion.

Athiests would have you believe there is no intelligent design.

I say hogwash.

Regeardless if it happened as described in Bible, I have no doubt there is something beyond mortals out there. Due to their intervention/actions, we have a universe to reside in.

Anyways can we take this to the off-topic brds plz?