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  ScribbleLay1

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OP  3/04/10 10:06:48 PM#1

I can pretty much put up with alot of stuff when a new  game first comes out but some things realy tick me off.  First let me start with my top 10.

1.  A level cap so easy to max out that most semi-hardcore players max it out before their 30 days of free play time is over.  Actually even non semi-hard core players have reached the level cap within the first two weeks.

2.  lieing, fibbing or stretching the truth.  They said in open beta that they ordered new servers to handle the stress, but a month later the stress on the servers are still the same as in open beta, you still get server disconect atleast five times an hour.

3.  Those darn fly by hijackings where you are on auto pilot or just sitting in sector space adjusting your weapons and you get snatched up into an instanceby a wondering signal and before you can click the tab to leave 10 klingon ships open up on you and you are dead and when you finaly do get to cancel the mission you respawn right next to that same signal and get sucked back in again.

4. Broken missions that you reported in open beta and are still broken with the same missing NPC's.

5.  A crafting system where you do not know what you have to do or how far you need to go to get to the next crafting level.

6.  A  game that has fleets but you can not do any fleet actions.

7.  Space combat where there is no support for a Joystick to control you ship.

8.  No integrated voice chat for teams.

9.  And the same missions that you did at level 1 you are doing at lvl 45 to include the exact same planets or bases with just a name change.

10.  And not too smart people like myself who paid to play open beta, paid $50 for the game and then bought a lifetime sub.  just because it was Star Trek and should of seen this coming but chose to ignore it.

I posted thisexact same post on the STO forums and it got deleted and I got banned from the forums for two weeks.

 

  Kontra

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"The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"

3/04/10 11:03:24 PM#2

1. Don't agree with your level cap argument. I played Open-Beta and then the month from game purchase and never made it to Lt. Comm. before I got bored.

2. Regular server instability killed me too often or forced me to redo missions. Ridiculous.

3. Agreed 100%

4. Agreed again. Still couldn't find that stupid anomaly somehow was INSIDE a building you could never enter during that stupid "Talk to five people then take a test on what they said" mission.

5. Word.

6-7. Meh... never did the fleet or joystick thing

8. Voice chat something they really needed since their chat system is so complicated and irritating.

9. Every mission is the same thing over and over again with no real story to  connect them or bring any meaning to them.

10. I'm just glad I didn't do the lifetime subscription thing. They only wasted a couple months of my life and got $50 out of me. Same as most crappy games I've bought from time to time.

  Silverdagger

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Joined: 10/07/07
Posts: 117

3/05/10 12:40:12 AM#3

#3 got me LOL'ing.  I hated that with a passion.  I got used to it after a while.  If you got sucked in, so long as you didn't touch the movement controls, the enemy ships ignore you.  Useful if you were retrofitting your ship or shuffling inventory.  (Useless if you were en route to someplace). 

#5 In beta I never noticed any levels to crafting.  As long as you had the needed materials for buying an item enhancement, it just worked.  No skill involved.  Did this change?

  DoomsDay01

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3/05/10 1:04:50 AM#4
Originally posted by ScribbleLay1

I can pretty much put up with alot of stuff when a new  game first comes out but some things realy tick me off.  First let me start with my top 10.

1.  A level cap so easy to max out that most semi-hardcore players max it out before their 30 days of free play time is over.  Actually even non semi-hard core players have reached the level cap within the first two weeks.

1a) according to cryptic as of a week ago, only around 1% of the player base is supposedly at max level.

2.  lieing, fibbing or stretching the truth.  They said in open beta that they ordered new servers to handle the stress, but a month later the stress on the servers are still the same as in open beta, you still get server disconect atleast five times an hour.

2a) I dont. I rarely get disconnected. Could be a problem with your pc or your isp or a route your isp is sending you is having problems. In the entire month I have been playing, I have only been kicked off twice and that was near the start of the game. The reason we haven't had a test server is because the hardware they had ordered for the test server got moved over to make things better for the live server.

3.  Those darn fly by hijackings where you are on auto pilot or just sitting in sector space adjusting your weapons and you get snatched up into an instanceby a wondering signal and before you can click the tab to leave 10 klingon ships open up on you and you are dead and when you finaly do get to cancel the mission you respawn right next to that same signal and get sucked back in again.

3a) Actually, once you leave the mission it should not suck you back in again unless you sit there for to long. But yes, it is annoying, especially if you have a slow machine for switching maps as it sounds like you might have. I usually have time to leave the mission when I get in and get attacked but I am usually pretty low on hull by the time I get out. Science ship.

4. Broken missions that you reported in open beta and are still broken with the same missing NPC's.

4a) I dont really understand this one. I did pretty much most of the missions in the game except the pvp ones and only had 1 mission that I could not complete.

5.  A crafting system where you do not know what you have to do or how far you need to go to get to the next crafting level.

5a) This one I agree with, supposedly they are going to make it better but I just dont worry about it. I am working on all purples for my ship :)

6.  A  game that has fleets but you can not do any fleet actions.

6a) your fleet can do them, just not everyone in an instance at once. That is a limitation of the instancing in many areas where they limit the number really low.

7.  Space combat where there is no support for a Joystick to control you ship.

7a) I kinda agree with you here. There is gamepad support for it though.

8.  No integrated voice chat for teams.

8a) That would be a nice feature. Although I haven't found to many in game voice chats to be very good (voice quality wise) and prefer to use Teamspeak or vent.

9.  And the same missions that you did at level 1 you are doing at lvl 45 to include the exact same planets or bases with just a name change.

9a) well this is kinda true. You don't get to do explore missions at level 1 but I get your point. It is pretty boring at RA5 with basically 1 daily to do. But they are slowly getting content out, they just really need to speed that up a bunch!

10.  And not too smart people like myself who paid to play open beta, paid $50 for the game and then bought a lifetime sub.  just because it was Star Trek and should of seen this coming but chose to ignore it.

10a) I played closed and open beta, I paid 80 bucks (I think that was the price) for the collectors edition and bought a lifetime account to. While I am sad that we dont have any content at RA5, I am in it for the long haul. I really feel this game is going to get better with time and it will be worth it in the end.

I posted thisexact same post on the STO forums and it got deleted and I got banned from the forums for two weeks.

Are you sure it was exactly like this? They dont usually ban people for complaints unless they did or said something else in there that violates their posting rules. I see people all the time complaining and not getting banned so I highly suspect there was more to it then just what you posted here.

 

Answers in Yellow

 

  Benjola

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Joined: 8/20/09
Posts: 713

3/05/10 4:33:38 AM#5
Originally posted by ScribbleLay1

 What I dislike about the game.



 

Thanks for sharing.

My turn:

EVERYTHING.

I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  Winn

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Joined: 5/09/05
Posts: 23

faster pussycat - kill kill kill

3/05/10 9:42:38 AM#6

- no content

- too much fighting and that's just not Star Trek

- crafting ?!?!  HA !!!

except that i didn't play beta i totaly agree to the original post.

it's just milking the cash cow named trekkies.

 

i hate WoW but even that got more content than STO.

 

glad i got my old SWG cds stil and found my way to the Emu so i don't need STO any longer to

play a game that doesn't have orcs and elves.

 

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  bstiff

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Joined: 3/02/10
Posts: 366

3/05/10 10:33:00 AM#7

 

In regards to #1, you don't even have to be remotely close to hardcore to hit the level cap within your 30 day free trial.  I played maybe 2 hours/day and hit RA5 at 28 days on my sub. I have no missions left other than:

1) defend the sector mission

2) explore the nebula mission where I get my choice of either kill 5 fleets, scan 5 objects, or (shudder) aid the planet

3) PVP daily mission

4) a 5 man instance that takes 2-3 hours and is composed mainly of ground combat which by far is the most maligned part of the game. Also to cryptic, you can't take the zombie pet model, throw some lipstick and accessories on it and call it a borg.

 

Cancelled my sub at day 29. How they did not see this coming I have no idea.

  Dibdabs

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Joined: 5/29/08
Posts: 2339

3/05/10 11:16:41 AM#8
Originally posted by bstiff

How they did not see this coming I have no idea.

Exactly.  Surely to God SOME of the designers and company suits actually play MMOs and know a) many players will inevitably blast through content with a vengeance and  b) cookie-cutter, random missions do NOT an MMO make??  

What marketing and design team came up with STO and thought "Yay, this is a killer MMO".  The entire lot should be sacked and replaced with long-term MMO players!

  bstiff

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Posts: 366

3/05/10 2:29:05 PM#9
Originally posted by Dibdabs
Originally posted by bstiff

How they did not see this coming I have no idea.

Exactly.  Surely to God SOME of the designers and company suits actually play MMOs and know a) many players will inevitably blast through content with a vengeance and  b) cookie-cutter, random missions do NOT an MMO make??  

What marketing and design team came up with STO and thought "Yay, this is a killer MMO".  The entire lot should be sacked and replaced with long-term MMO players!


 

 I was trying to think how many missions in sto aren't the patrol the sector, defend the sector, explore the nebula breed. It may be poor memory but it feels like around 20 or maybe 30 tops. 4-5 story missions per rank seems the average. If I hadn't scraped sto off my hdd today I would think about checking it out.

  ScribbleLay1

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Posts: 181

 
OP  3/05/10 2:44:26 PM#10

1. A level cap so easy to max out that most semi-hardcore players max it out before their 30 days of free play time is over. Actually even non semi-hard core players have reached the level cap within the first two weeks.

1a) according to cryptic as of a week ago, only around 1% of the player base is supposedly at max level.
 

 

Well, I don't know whee you got that Cryptic info but I belong to a fleet with 88 members and 27 of them are RA5 and we are a fleet of adult all over 30 who have daily jobs.

2. lieing, fibbing or stretching the truth. They said in open beta that they ordered new servers to handle the stress, but a month later the stress on the servers are still the same as in open beta, you still get server disconect atleast five times an hour.

2a) I dont. I rarely get disconnected. Could be a problem with your pc or your isp or a route your isp is sending you is having problems. In the entire month I have been playing, I have only been kicked off twice and that was near the start of the game. The reason we haven't had a test server is because the hardware they had ordered for the test server got moved over to make things better for the live server.
 

 

Well I do and so do many of the people in my fleet and just like Cryptic did, blamed my computer or internet connection.  I could post my computer specs to show that I do have a top of the line system or my high speed internet connection but that would prove nothiung since I do not have these server disconnect issues with any other games I play.

3. Those darn fly by hijackings where you are on auto pilot or just sitting in sector space adjusting your weapons and you get snatched up into an instanceby a wondering signal and before you can click the tab to leave 10 klingon ships open up on you and you are dead and when you finaly do get to cancel the mission you respawn right next to that same signal and get sucked back in again.

3a) Actually, once you leave the mission it should not suck you back in again unless you sit there for to long. But yes, it is annoying, especially if you have a slow machine for switching maps as it sounds like you might have. I usually have time to leave the mission when I get in and get attacked but I am usually pretty low on hull by the time I get out. Science ship.
 

 

Actually, you are wron on all counts, you do get sucked in whether you sit there or not and my computer is not slow and neither ins my connection.

6. A game that has fleets but you can not do any fleet actions.

6a) your fleet can do them, just not everyone in an instance at once. That is a limitation of the instancing in many areas where they limit the number really low.
 

 

But you can not do anything as a fleet.  If I wanted to set up a fleet action say Star Base 24 and do it as a fleet I can't, the most you can do is in groups of 5, far from the required amount to do anything meaningful.

  Die_Scream

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Did everything just taste purple there for a second?

3/05/10 2:46:47 PM#11

I read on the forums some time ago that the game shipped with 87 missions. Likely that meant story missions, not including the scan 5 / kill 5 copy paste all other types are. I don't have a link, so I am just going by memory.

I finished the game (beat it) in a little over 2 weeks. After logging in to grind my daily (45 mins content a day) for a week or less, I grew bored. I haven't played in 2 weeks approx.

Adding 2-3 hour long missions that are simply the same crummy content doesn't help me much. They can't make decent content with this engine. Or they are unwilling to.

 

EDIT: I am in error, lol. I did just log in and attempt the new 5 man a day ago or so. Forgot about that.

  Die_Scream

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Did everything just taste purple there for a second?

3/05/10 2:50:30 PM#12

@Doomsday01, unless you can provide a link to that 1% number you stated, I just don't believe you.

#1 I follow the forums every day.

#2 If Cryptic had said this, I would have seen more people posting it, because people post and repost everything the devs say.

#3 This does not sound like anything Cryptic would say to me.

Prove me wrong and I'll admit it, but this sounds made up to me.

  Darth_Osor

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3/05/10 3:04:20 PM#13

The "only 1% of the pop is RA5" comment was a few weeks ago now.  Even then, people were suspicious of the accuracy.  If they made that statement today, we'd have another forum explosion rivaling "Discountgate".

  Drakynn

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3/05/10 3:07:16 PM#14

You know haters of Cryptic are looking at things all wrong.I love Cryptic/Atari.They've provided me with the most free entertainment of any media recently and I'm not talking about either of their games.

  bstiff

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3/05/10 3:13:15 PM#15
Originally posted by Die_Scream

I read on the forums some time ago that the game shipped with 87 missions. Likely that meant story missions, not including the scan 5 / kill 5 copy paste all other types are. I don't have a link, so I am just going by memory.

I finished the game (beat it) in a little over 2 weeks. After logging in to grind my daily (45 mins content a day) for a week or less, I grew bored. I haven't played in 2 weeks approx.

Adding 2-3 hour long missions that are simply the same crummy content doesn't help me much. They can't make decent content with this engine. Or they are unwilling to.

If the 87 is true that still spreads content mighty thin over 45 levels. That's less than 2 missions a level.  In several other mmo's Ive played Ive had to pick which missions to drop as my quest log was full at 25 missions.  Never had that problem ever on STO.
 

  Betaboo

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3/05/10 4:02:48 PM#16

I no longer have a pony in the race but i will say that i will NEVER buy another cryptic product again. And i will tell anyone who is thinking of purchsing one to not buy into the hype and save their money.

  Die_Scream

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Did everything just taste purple there for a second?

3/05/10 4:36:10 PM#17
Originally posted by Darth_Osor

The "only 1% of the pop is RA5" comment was a few weeks ago now.  Even then, people were suspicious of the accuracy.  If they made that statement today, we'd have another forum explosion rivaling "Discountgate".

 

Hmph, I'm disappointed I never saw this dev post.

The way these companies spin things and word statements so they can later use a loophole to say they were right, maybe the 1% thing was true. If they were including all characters made by all people, free month, trial, etc. Most people with a capped captain probably also have 2 alts.

In any case, I would hazard a guess at the % being much higher now, since it really shouldn't take anyone, unless ultra-casual (i.e. play once/twice a week), longer than 3-4 weeks to cap.

I still laugh whenever one of the CDF zealots try the "you rushed" excuse. Apologists are a good source of humor.

  DoomsDay01

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3/07/10 1:54:39 AM#18
Originally posted by Die_Scream
Originally posted by Darth_Osor

The "only 1% of the pop is RA5" comment was a few weeks ago now.  Even then, people were suspicious of the accuracy.  If they made that statement today, we'd have another forum explosion rivaling "Discountgate".

 

Hmph, I'm disappointed I never saw this dev post.

The way these companies spin things and word statements so they can later use a loophole to say they were right, maybe the 1% thing was true. If they were including all characters made by all people, free month, trial, etc. Most people with a capped captain probably also have 2 alts.

In any case, I would hazard a guess at the % being much higher now, since it really shouldn't take anyone, unless ultra-casual (i.e. play once/twice a week), longer than 3-4 weeks to cap.

I still laugh whenever one of the CDF zealots try the "you rushed" excuse. Apologists are a good source of humor.

 

It wasn't a dev post, it  was an interview that the Stoked guys had with cryptic, on their show and that was what they said. HERE

Go to around 24:05 into the show. Oh btw, there is your link even though I dont care if you believe me or not. I am not here to throw out BS like many folks do on this forum. I just post what I see, take it or not, don't really care.

  jimsmith08

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3/07/10 7:44:53 AM#19
Originally posted by Benjola
Originally posted by ScribbleLay1

 What I dislike about the game.



 

Thanks for sharing.

My turn:

EVERYTHING.

 

My turn:

Cryptic.

 


  Robsolf

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3/08/10 12:17:15 PM#20
Originally posted by ScribbleLay1

I can pretty much put up with alot of stuff when a new  game first comes out but some things realy tick me off.  First let me start with my top 10.

1.  A level cap so easy to max out that most semi-hardcore players max it out before their 30 days of free play time is over.  Actually even non semi-hard core players have reached the level cap within the first two weeks.

Entirely true.  Good thing though, that they didn't decide to do what they did with CO.  Which is, decrease XP for missions and mobs so that you spend 20% on the fun content and 80% grinding.  400 hours of exploration missions?  I think I just threw up a little...

2.  lieing, fibbing or stretching the truth.  They said in open beta that they ordered new servers to handle the stress, but a month later the stress on the servers are still the same as in open beta, you still get server disconect atleast five times an hour.

Hmmm... the first couple weeks had daily crashes, often several per day.  By the 3rd week of live(my last time spent there), the servers were up most of the time, with no queues.  I saw dramatic improvement.  On the other hand, maybe fewer people were playing, and for less time...

3.  Those darn fly by hijackings where you are on auto pilot or just sitting in sector space adjusting your weapons and you get snatched up into an instanceby a wondering signal and before you can click the tab to leave 10 klingon ships open up on you and you are dead and when you finaly do get to cancel the mission you respawn right next to that same signal and get sucked back in again.

I didn't like 'em, either.  But the funny thing is, I participated in many forum topics where people hated "safe havens" in MMO's.  They liked the idea that you could be in a town somewhere which may suddenly be invaded by orcs.  So you might park next to a vendor in town and take a bio break, get overrun and killed before you can even flush.

"Enemy signals" seem to me to be the Star Trek Online example of that.

4. Broken missions that you reported in open beta and are still broken with the same missing NPC's.

I made it through all the episode missions live and in the preview weekend without any serious trouble... aside from the server crashes, of course.  Though yes, I had plenty of problems like this during beta.

5.  A crafting system where you do not know what you have to do or how far you need to go to get to the next crafting level.

Agree 100%.  Absolute WORST crafting system I've played to date.  Including Tabula Rasa.  Absolutely not worth the effort.

10. And not too smart people like myself who paid to play open beta, paid $50 for the game and then bought a lifetime sub. just because it was Star Trek and should of seen this coming but chose to ignore it.

And I'm not really sure why so many folks were duped into this lifetime sub deal, especially after seeing what's become of CO released only months earlier...

 

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