Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

Did hitler respawn in the states?

Thinking of maybe leaving this forum if people are not allowed to give critism towards games. Because then what would be the point of having a forum? Or maybe they just write good about those games which they get payed from for adverts.

And you know, I think that's really what it's all about.  MMORPG.com probably gets paid by these advertisements and so therefore any negative feedback could upset the game companies that are being bashed.  Well I guess that was a no brainer, but the the point I'm trying to make is I'm actually considering ditching this place myself.  I'm actually thinking about starting my own site.  I already run a pretty nice forum.  I pretty much let people say what they want unless it's blatant advertising or it's excessively rude.  In which case I just delete the post.  I've only ever banned one person.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

Did hitler respawn in the states?

Thinking of maybe leaving this forum if people are not allowed to give critism towards games. Because then what would be the point of having a forum? Or maybe they just write good about those games which they get payed from for adverts.

Not this forum the official STO ones.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by seniorfrito

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

You wanna talk about heavy handed?  They banned me for a day for telling someone to shut up.  I didn't even curse.

 

I think it's safe to say that stills falls into the rude column of replies.

In general, telling someone to "shut up" is not considered conducive to good conversation.

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't be saying it, just that it does seem that a response like that would be dealt with on a game forum.

Well that's not all I said.  I said more, it's just that's the only thing that I said that I would consider even remotely rude.  I thought that particular post was pretty mellow.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

Did hitler respawn in the states?

Thinking of maybe leaving this forum if people are not allowed to give critism towards games. Because then what would be the point of having a forum? Or maybe they just write good about those games which they get payed from for adverts.

I think you can have as many criticism threads as you want. The problem is that some forum posters aren't clear on what constructive criticism is and just plain trolling and flaming.

In the end it starts becoming more about vendetta and less about pointing out the major issues of a game. Which of course is a disservice to the players because if a game does have issues then it needs to be talked about.

My thought is that if one wants to do a criticism thread or post they should just put it as if they were talking to their boss or their ceo or someone who you generally have to curb your tongue when talking to them.

An explanation of any game's shortcomings is of great value. But pages and pages of rants and attacks just doesn't do anyone any good, will get deleted and then people won't be informed of the particular game's issues.

Originally posted by seniorfrito

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

Did hitler respawn in the states?

Thinking of maybe leaving this forum if people are not allowed to give critism towards games. Because then what would be the point of having a forum? Or maybe they just write good about those games which they get payed from for adverts.

And you know, I think that's really what it's all about.  MMORPG.com probably gets paid by these advertisements and so therefore any negative feedback could upset the game companies that are being bashed.  Well I guess that was a no brainer, but the the point I'm trying to make is I'm actually considering ditching this place myself.  I'm actually thinking about starting my own site.  I already run a pretty nice forum.  I pretty much let people say what they want unless it's blatant advertising or it's excessively rude.  In which case I just delete the post.  I've only ever banned one person.

Not talking about this forum guys i was referencing the STO official one.

Originally posted by seniorfrito

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by seniorfrito

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

You wanna talk about heavy handed?  They banned me for a day for telling someone to shut up.  I didn't even curse.

 

I think it's safe to say that stills falls into the rude column of replies.

In general, telling someone to "shut up" is not considered conducive to good conversation.

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't be saying it, just that it does seem that a response like that would be dealt with on a game forum.

Well that's not all I said.  I said more, it's just that's the only thing that I said that I would consider even remotely rude.  I thought that particular post was pretty mellow.

oh you li'l devil. 

oh well, live and learn I suppose. 

Originally posted by Betaboo

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

Did hitler respawn in the states?

Thinking of maybe leaving this forum if people are not allowed to give critism towards games. Because then what would be the point of having a forum? Or maybe they just write good about those games which they get payed from for adverts.

 

Not this forum the official STO ones.

I was confused about this thread until you said that :)

Originally posted by Woopin

Originally posted by Betaboo

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

Did hitler respawn in the states?

Thinking of maybe leaving this forum if people are not allowed to give critism towards games. Because then what would be the point of having a forum? Or maybe they just write good about those games which they get payed from for adverts.

 

Not this forum the official STO ones.

 

I was confused about this thread until you said that :)

Did not mean to cause any confusion i should have been more specific.

Originally posted by Betaboo

Originally posted by Woopin

Originally posted by Betaboo

 

 

Not this forum the official STO ones.

 

I was confused about this thread until you said that :)

 

Did not mean to cause any confusion i should have been more specific.

I thought this thread was about the mmorpg.com forums as well. Which is what made it so ironic that it was a long thread of criticism that wasn't deleted.

To everyone who says Cryptic is doomed, you all know it's false. They'll make a new IP, the game will be hype like never before, people will buy it, the game will fail....and the cycle continues.

A lot of people tend to buy in the hype, just reading these forums is proof enough.

There's a new "WoW-Killer" every month....I mean really...

As someone who really enjoys Champions and plays everyday, I can admit that most of the people who quit did so rationally because of flaws they saw in the game.   But, the much larger group of people who diss CO without having played it are partly a product of Cryptic's poor public relations at the time of launch.  One of the things they did poorly with CO was to let the forums be over-run with negative rants.   I am not talking about constructive criticism, or even venting frustration, I am talking about people who were just hanging out to spew negativity.  Back then, Cryptic even tolerated talking about other games on the official forums, so one of the most popular thread topics was Aion.  

Look, I think STO is a bad game and I did my best to warn people not to buy it.  But enough is enough, there are too many bored folks on the internet who just enjoy furiously arguing about games, the arguing becomes a hobby in itself, and at that point I don't think official forums should put up with it.  Constructive criticism and frustrated rants are one thing, but people who hang out just to feed on the upset emotions of others will get no sympathy from me when their threads are closed.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

To everyone who says Cryptic is doomed, you all know it's false. They'll make a new IP, the game will be hype like never before, people will buy it, the game will fail....and the cycle continues.

A lot of people tend to buy in the hype, just reading these forums is proof enough.

There's a new "WoW-Killer" every month....I mean really...

While i am not going to disagree with the basis of your post. I think this particular game form this particular company has pretty much put a stake in cryptics heart. Will other companys hype the heck out of a bad product? sure they will and we will probably fall for it like this one but i dont think cryptic will have very many followers of future games after this. And will STO fail as in servers getting shut down not likely but it will limp along without becoming what it could have become. Plain money grab thats all it was.

Originally posted by championsFan

As someone who really enjoys Champions and plays everyday, I can admit that most of the people who quit did so rationally because of flaws they saw in the game.   But, the much larger group of people who diss CO without having played it are partly a product of Cryptic's poor public relations at the time of launch.  One of the things they did poorly with CO was to let the forums be over-run with negative rants.   I am not talking about constructive criticism, or even venting frustration, I am talking about people who were just hanging out to spew negativity.  Back then, Cryptic even tolerated talking about other games on the official forums, so one of the most popular thread topics was Aion.  

Look, I think STO is a bad game and I did my best to warn people not to buy it.  But enough is enough, there are too many bored folks on the internet who just enjoy furiously arguing about games, the arguing becomes a hobby in itself, and at that point I don't think official forums should put up with it.  Constructive criticism and frustrated rants are one thing, but people who hang out just to feed on the upset emotions of others will get no sympathy from me when their threads are closed.

 

Only a very insecure MMO developer would silence people for talking about other games in their forums. The insecure developer fears that their player base will move on to the competition.

In this case, it is a legitimate fear because of how poorly done CO is. Start a CO thread on the City of Heroes forums, the mods don't care. You might even have a developer post in your thread.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

To everyone who says Cryptic is doomed, you all know it's false. They'll make a new IP, the game will be hype like never before, people will buy it, the game will fail....and the cycle continues.

A lot of people tend to buy in the hype, just reading these forums is proof enough.

There's a new "WoW-Killer" every month....I mean really...

4 games with a combined population of 200,000 subscribers isn't nearly as good as one game with 200,000 subscribers. It's funny how Cryptic/Atari hasn't figured this out yet. Eventually they'll hit a wall where they have too many games with too few subscribers.

Originally posted by Betaboo

Originally posted by Frostbite05

the average thread that expresses ones negative beliefs about this game usually contain

" OMFG THIS GAME SUCKS @$$"

Can't totally blame them for getting rid of those threads.

 

Yes a lot of the threads getting deleted did contain those but the two I was reading the OP did not start out that way. it was the fanbois raging at them bringing up the I quit crap in them and then other fanboys pointing out the I quit crap in the thread would get the thread deleted.
Kind of funny to watch the fanboys go to extreme lengths to quell any opposition.
 

Could you post some proof?

I'm sure you are not a bald faced liar, but just posting something without proof is heresay.

To be honest, less posts from people who rush through a few week old game expecting massive content at endgame is good.

We need to weed the stupid folks out somehow, and it is illegal to just kill them.

Originally posted by Soupgoblin

Originally posted by Betaboo

Originally posted by Frostbite05

the average thread that expresses ones negative beliefs about this game usually contain

" OMFG THIS GAME SUCKS @$$"

Can't totally blame them for getting rid of those threads.

 

Yes a lot of the threads getting deleted did contain those but the two I was reading the OP did not start out that way. it was the fanbois raging at them bringing up the I quit crap in them and then other fanboys pointing out the I quit crap in the thread would get the thread deleted.
Kind of funny to watch the fanboys go to extreme lengths to quell any opposition.
 

 

 

Could you post some proof?

I'm sure you are not a bald faced liar, but just posting something without proof is heresay.

 

To be honest, less posts from people who rush through a few week old game expecting massive content at endgame is good.

We need to weed the stupid folks out somehow, and it is illegal to just kill them.

They were deleted not closed so getting proof is impossible. So you will have to watch the forums for yourself or take my word for it.

Originally posted by bigsmiff

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

 

And don't dare disagree with someone. I was warned about my "trolling" when I disagreed with someone.

 

 

Hah. I was warned for "not making reasonable arguments" when someone trolled ME and I posted "sorry, I'm not responding to your trolling, I'm done here".

It was my thread and I was arguing against RMTs lol.

Originally posted by wootin

Originally posted by bigsmiff

Originally posted by Betaboo

Yes they are deleting critism threads now-just saw two of them dissapear. i know they own there forums but they are getting kind of heavy handed.

 

And don't dare disagree with someone. I was warned about my "trolling" when I disagreed with someone.

 

Hah. I was warned for "not making reasonable arguments" when someone trolled ME and I posted "sorry, I'm not responding to your trolling, I'm done here".

It was my thread and I was arguing against RMTs lol.

haha. This is rediculous and it exists everywhere, even at mmorpg.com.  This word troll is over-used and inappropriately applied most of the time.

About the topic of Mods deleting criticism threads, fanboy trolls have been given a pass as opposed to opposition trolls because having an 'opinion' that is considered positive, or 'quoting' a positive post and personalizing your response in support, even if the positive comments are considered misplaced and repeatedly remarked on by some, is considered acceptable while having an opinion that is considered negative (in opposition) and remarked about continuously, even when you quote someone and personalize your response in opposition, is considered "trolling" by some warped loose definition.

So if I remarked that your opinion is good and support my remarks, I'm free to troll with that position extendedly. But if I say your opinion sucks and support my remarks extendedly, I’m banned or the post is deleted.

So here'smy opinion; i think your opinion sucks if your opinion of trolling is as retarded/lopsided as to think that there should be one form of moderation behavior for a positive and repeated remarked upon position in support of a positive post, while you think that non-supportive and non-positive posts about a subject, while repeatedly remarked about and posted about in opposition, is considered trolling.
 

The more mature wont want to get the last word in, but as with a product such as STO, it has disenfranchised so many, misled so many, been considered such a horrific disappointment by so many, that I dont remember when the last time I saw so much outrage over a gaming product before; maybe SWG.  And these people need to run their course, as the popularity of the game will, and let the chips fall where they may.

It is completely within Cryptic's right as the provider of the forums to delete any posts they feel are unconstructive or negative towards other users, their employees, their company, or their products.

However, in the situation of negative reviews of the game or the "Atari Incident", they are showing a lack of ability to sooth their own customers or allow them a means to vent their frustrations.

In whole, they are acting like children which is nothing new to MMOs or the internet in general.

A little note:
#30 up from #32 yesterday
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BUT they'll definitely dip some but this game is no where near what Age of Conan was at launch.

Age of Conan now is arguably one of the best MMOs on the market. Especially for PvP.
 
If you're looking for another EVE though look no further. That game has already launched and is called EVE.

Two different types of games but both are fun and decent imho.
 
Star Trek doesn't suffer from the major problems that Age of Conan did but it does suffer from being released WAY too soon.

It will however recover a lot faster then AoC and will be a lot more polished and developed in content the next few months.
 
Most of the people blasting it haven't played the game or don't really understand it enough due to lack of personal experienced or knowledge about the game.

Happens to a lot of MMOs when launched recently....

The other batch are Star Trek fanatics who expect the impossible and would not be satisfied no matter who was making the MMO.
 
STO is not an A+ in my book more like a B- or a C+.

Cryptic overextended themselves doing Champions Online and Star Trek at the same time.

It's certainly not a terrible game and the Space PvP is very fun.

They just need some more time to work on the product before it becomes a solid B.