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  Xondar123

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2/25/10 12:40:59 PM#21
Originally posted by Esther-Chan

Like others have said, this only effects the user. Since all the models are on  your computer, it would be easy to edit them. I'm sure there are lots of things you can do to exploit the game this way, but nude elves is hardly one of them.

WoW actually had model editing too. I've seen many people change their race to another. While it's only client side (I.E; only you can see it), it is illegal none-the-less. I imagine it's the same here.

 

How exactly is this illegal? You said yourself that it's just altering files on your own computer.

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  maji

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2/25/10 1:24:33 PM#22
Originally posted by Xondar123

How exactly is this illegal? You said yourself that it's just altering files on your own computer.

 

Only because something is on your computer, it doesn't mean that you can violate rights associated to it.

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  mlauzon

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2/25/10 1:57:12 PM#23


Originally posted by CheesyPotato
so if i play the game will i see all these nude girls running around?

Oh, you won't see anyone else "nude", however, you'll know who's nude because the players that have this patch installed will still be wearing underwear & bras and that's what you'd see.

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  AIMonster

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2/25/10 3:42:47 PM#24
Originally posted by Xondar123
Originally posted by Esther-Chan

Like others have said, this only effects the user. Since all the models are on  your computer, it would be easy to edit them. I'm sure there are lots of things you can do to exploit the game this way, but nude elves is hardly one of them.

WoW actually had model editing too. I've seen many people change their race to another. While it's only client side (I.E; only you can see it), it is illegal none-the-less. I imagine it's the same here.

 

How exactly is this illegal? You said yourself that it's just altering files on your own computer.

 

Collision is handled client side in just about every MMO.  You can use model editting to your advantage (essentially like hacking).  For example model editting was used in WoW to alter the gates in battlegrounds and places like Stratholme in order to bypass content or start capping flags before the timer even begins.  You just alter the gate model into something tiny.

Texturing or skinning is just editting the skin or texture of the model and does not alter the model.  In general even if you were going to profess to a GM you were using a nude patch or alternate skins they probably wouldn't care.  It doesn't interfere with gameplay at all and can't be used to hack.

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  Xondar123

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2/26/10 9:04:53 AM#25
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by Xondar123

How exactly is this illegal? You said yourself that it's just altering files on your own computer.

 

Only because something is on your computer, it doesn't mean that you can violate rights associated to it.

 

The physical thing on your personal computer has rights now? Is it wrong to keep MMO slaves? Am I murdering my games when I uninstall them? Am I violating Oblivion in horrible ways when I install mods on it?

Can you point me to the relevant government statutes in any nation that says that modifying a piece of software on my own personal computer for my own private use is illegal?

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  Xondar123

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2/26/10 9:06:48 AM#26
Originally posted by Magnum2103
Originally posted by Xondar123
Originally posted by Esther-Chan

Like others have said, this only effects the user. Since all the models are on  your computer, it would be easy to edit them. I'm sure there are lots of things you can do to exploit the game this way, but nude elves is hardly one of them.

WoW actually had model editing too. I've seen many people change their race to another. While it's only client side (I.E; only you can see it), it is illegal none-the-less. I imagine it's the same here.

 

How exactly is this illegal? You said yourself that it's just altering files on your own computer.

 

Collision is handled client side in just about every MMO.  You can use model editting to your advantage (essentially like hacking).  For example model editting was used in WoW to alter the gates in battlegrounds and places like Stratholme in order to bypass content or start capping flags before the timer even begins.  You just alter the gate model into something tiny.

Texturing or skinning is just editting the skin or texture of the model and does not alter the model.  In general even if you were going to profess to a GM you were using a nude patch or alternate skins they probably wouldn't care.  It doesn't interfere with gameplay at all and can't be used to hack.

 

Did people get fined by the police or go to jail for modifying the battlegrounds in WoW? Just curious.

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  maji

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2/26/10 9:13:49 AM#27
Originally posted by Xondar123
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by Xondar123

How exactly is this illegal? You said yourself that it's just altering files on your own computer.

Only because something is on your computer, it doesn't mean that you can violate rights associated to it.

The physical thing on your personal computer has rights now? Is it wrong to keep MMO slaves? Am I murdering my games when I uninstall them? Am I violating Oblivion in horrible ways when I install mods on it?

Can you point me to the relevant government statutes in any nation that says that modifying a piece of software on my own personal computer for my own private use is illegal?

So you seriously think I will now browse websites and stuff in search of quotes for something that you wouldn't believe anyway? Get your lazy ass moving and check it yourself. There are lots of rights associated with software, and who has the right to change it.

Or just read the stuff you press "I accept" to every so often when you play MMORPGs. Even if you have the game installed on your computer, it's still not your intellectual property. If the company which developed the game says "don't mod it unless in the ways we allow you to", then you have to accept it. If you accept it and still do stuff the company told you not to, then you'll of course not in jail, but you are violating their rights and they can do stuff like banning you from their game. Not to mention that stuff like nude patches damage the reputation of the company.

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  Xondar123

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2/26/10 11:07:25 AM#28
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by Xondar123
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by Xondar123

How exactly is this illegal? You said yourself that it's just altering files on your own computer.

Only because something is on your computer, it doesn't mean that you can violate rights associated to it.

The physical thing on your personal computer has rights now? Is it wrong to keep MMO slaves? Am I murdering my games when I uninstall them? Am I violating Oblivion in horrible ways when I install mods on it?

Can you point me to the relevant government statutes in any nation that says that modifying a piece of software on my own personal computer for my own private use is illegal?

So you seriously think I will now browse websites and stuff in search of quotes for something that you wouldn't believe anyway? Get your lazy ass moving and check it yourself. There are lots of rights associated with software, and who has the right to change it.

Or just read the stuff you press "I accept" to every so often when you play MMORPGs. Even if you have the game installed on your computer, it's still not your intellectual property. If the company which developed the game says "don't mod it unless in the ways we allow you to", then you have to accept it. If you accept it and still do stuff the company told you not to, then you'll of course not in jail, but you are violating their rights and they can do stuff like banning you from their game. Not to mention that stuff like nude patches damage the reputation of the company.

 

Now you're talking about an EULA or End User Licence Agreement. These have, in no way, shape or form, the backing a law behind them. I can't be fined or go to jail for violating an EULA. The worst they could do is try to sue me, though I'm not sure how they would know I violated an EULA by installing a patch to make my character nude on my own computer without in any way altering the game experience.

If the company asks me to do something, I by no means have to do it. If this was the case then sneaky companies could put a clause in their EULAs saying that I agree to only ever use their products and services for the rest of my life. If the company asks me to not mod their game, and I do anyway, they can't call the police and have me arrested, they can't have me fined or brought to court unless they tried to sue me in a civil manner.

Some people have an odd definition of the word "illegal."

Edit: Again, you've just pointed me toward the EULA, you haven't shown me any government statute in any nation making this sort of thing illegal.

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  Bloodaxes

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2/26/10 11:10:50 AM#29

^ You read his post wrong he said you WON'T go in prison but you are violating their rights and they could do something like banning you from the game.

  Gravarg

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2/26/10 11:10:52 AM#30

It's not illegal, but it is against the EULA.  Most of them state somewhere in it that changing of certain files (determined by the developer) will be deemed "illegal" and the user may be removed from play....but I've never heard of any game that has ever done it, except for first person shooters, I miss playing CS and Combat Arms with my bright green model substitutes :)

  Xondar123

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2/26/10 12:14:34 PM#31
Originally posted by bloodaxes

^ You read his post wrong he said you WON'T go in prison but you are violating their rights and they could do something like banning you from the game.

 

"Banning you from the game" is not the same thing as "illegal."

My original question was "How is this illegal?"

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  Bloodaxes

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2/26/10 12:26:58 PM#32
Originally posted by Xondar123
Originally posted by bloodaxes

^ You read his post wrong he said you WON'T go in prison but you are violating their rights and they could do something like banning you from the game.

"Banning you from the game" is not the same thing as "illegal."

My original question was "How is this illegal?"

If you do something illegal and instead of going to jail you have the option to pay x amount of money to be free again it's still not illegal for you?

If you mod a game were you agreed you can't mod in your doing something illegal on their game.

It's like saying x guy stole a pie but z guy robbed a house both are illegal in their ways but different punishments.

  AIMonster

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2/26/10 4:01:30 PM#33

You all have a very narrow defintion of the word illegal.  Illegal means not permitted by rules set in place.  Something that is illegal can be refering to a law or as simple as something as a breach of the game rules.

EX:  Moving a piece in chess where a piece is not permitted to go within it's ruleset is an "illegal move".

IT IS ILLEGAL.  It is against the ToS.  It's modifying software.  Technically they could even pursue legal action against you (similarly to how Blizzard did against Glider, but this is quite mild compared to that) if they wanted to, but it's more beneficial to them to just ban you (their case would look pretty stupid in court).  They definitely aren't likely going to do it to you if you install a nude patch because 1.  They probably won't find out.  2.  It doesn't effect gameplay, so they probably don't care much whether you do or don't.  Model editting would be met with a much harasser penalty, probably a ban.  When you hit "I agree" on that ToS you are entering a legal contract, don't you know?

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2/26/10 4:04:35 PM#34

Bewbs!

  maji

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2/26/10 4:24:39 PM#35
Originally posted by Xondar123

My original question was "How is this illegal?"

 

I'm german so I  don't know about international laws. But manipulating software without beeing specifically allowed to do so is a violation of the Urheberrecht (literally "right of the creator",the german version of the copyright). Violeting it is a crime. For example removing a softwares copy protection can result in fees or up to 5 years of jail.

Now stop beeing so naive and claim that manipulating software you are not supposed to manipulate is legal.

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  Xondar123

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2/27/10 5:06:25 AM#36
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by Xondar123

My original question was "How is this illegal?"

 

I'm german so I  don't know about international laws. But manipulating software without beeing specifically allowed to do so is a violation of the Urheberrecht (literally "right of the creator",the german version of the copyright). Violeting it is a crime. For example removing a softwares copy protection can result in fees or up to 5 years of jail.

Now stop beeing so naive and claim that manipulating software you are not supposed to manipulate is legal.

 

In that case, it's what is known in legal jargon as an "unenforceable law." How are they ever going to know that I've altered game files on my computer? This is like making a law saying that it's illegal for me to underline passages and write in the margins of a book.

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  nagash303

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2/27/10 7:45:55 AM#37

ok so I found that lvl14 Tunika in dead sea lately. It was perfect for my rogue twink so I send it over to her. Now guess what it looks like:

Tunika

with these looks i dont need any nude patch ^^

 

  AIMonster

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2/28/10 11:12:23 AM#38
Originally posted by Xondar123
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by Xondar123

My original question was "How is this illegal?"

 

I'm german so I  don't know about international laws. But manipulating software without beeing specifically allowed to do so is a violation of the Urheberrecht (literally "right of the creator",the german version of the copyright). Violeting it is a crime. For example removing a softwares copy protection can result in fees or up to 5 years of jail.

Now stop beeing so naive and claim that manipulating software you are not supposed to manipulate is legal.

 

In that case, it's what is known in legal jargon as an "unenforceable law." How are they ever going to know that I've altered game files on my computer? This is like making a law saying that it's illegal for me to underline passages and write in the margins of a book.

 

It's still illegal, despite if you can get caught or not or despite if it's an actual law or just a violation of a game ruleset.  Blizzard's Warden program will check for changes in models, prevent you from logging in, and send a message to Blizzard letting them know you tried (so they can take whatever action they want against you).  I don't see why Allod's couldn't have a program like this (from what I've read it doesn't, just anti-breakpoints for hackers) in the future....  So it's far from unenforceable.

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  Jarna

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3/03/10 12:54:40 PM#39

Nice find :D

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3/03/10 1:11:27 PM#40
Originally posted by Xondar123
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by Xondar123

My original question was "How is this illegal?"

 

I'm german so I  don't know about international laws. But manipulating software without beeing specifically allowed to do so is a violation of the Urheberrecht (literally "right of the creator",the german version of the copyright). Violeting it is a crime. For example removing a softwares copy protection can result in fees or up to 5 years of jail.

Now stop beeing so naive and claim that manipulating software you are not supposed to manipulate is legal.

 

In that case, it's what is known in legal jargon as an "unenforceable law." How are they ever going to know that I've altered game files on my computer? This is like making a law saying that it's illegal for me to underline passages and write in the margins of a book.


 

i know your just trying to troll and clearly have no real idea how video games truely work. but ill humor you abit.

they can find out IF you used modded content on your game by simply releasing a client side file that disables your client while the mods are in place. all those great game update files, are easy enough to slip one in there. ontop of that, im sure it wouldnt be hard to scan you computer for illegal files via the updater.

BUT and the BIG but, that most teenybopers use for their little modding. is the privacy act law, that most countries issue to their people. basicly it prevents a company from gaining access to your computer remotely, as well as denying them the right to search or seize your property without a legal warrent issued by a justice of the peace (judge).

SO the companies go the simple route of just issuing a file to check if your files are tamperd with. and if it dings it blocks your client from connecting. as well if they are able to pull it off, they just block your account/IP from their server.

the sort of modding of textures for enjoyment (which this whole topic is about) is like rung 10 of the important ban account for modding ladder. the more important ones are like glider or the run of the mill.. wall/speed/cool down hacks that mod the client for completely unfair and illegal advantages.
so if you use a texture mod. meh... your going to get a stern talking to if anything cause frankly even if its illegal by copyright laws its not really super important for companies.

mod the game so you can teleport at will and ya.. you will get a visit.

 

OH and just to put a nail in your coffin.  the modification of ANY property that does not belong to you is a violation of several laws. there is the private property laws, copy right laws. and many others i can recall right now. BUT each country has diffrent laws and statures that goven it and its people. as well, you dont actually own any of your games. you just paid to provide a storage place for them.... in all honestly... games are copyrighted to the developer and publisher. people who buy them do not own 0.000001% of any of the game. they just paid to play it and store the game in their house...

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