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  Tekton

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Joined: 1/28/07
Posts: 77

 
OP  2/19/10 6:34:33 PM#1

So I'm about to give EVE a shot, finally. I've been interested in a long time but other games have come in between me and EVE all the damn time.

 

I heard that CCP have made it alot more newbie friendly with some tutorials and I also heard about the upcoming expansion that appealed to me alot. However, even with the tutorials it's a pretty steep lurning curve I've been told. Are there any friendly corps out there that might have the place for an utter noob when it comes to sci-fi mmo's and who got the time and patience to answer probably some somewhat stupid questions?

  Xennith

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2/19/10 6:51:13 PM#2

EVE uni

  Kyleran

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Fools find no pleasure in understanding, but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

2/19/10 6:56:16 PM#3

To elaborate further, here's a link to Eve University for quick reference.

www.eve-ivy.com/

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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  Tekton

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Joined: 1/28/07
Posts: 77

 
OP  2/19/10 8:49:31 PM#4

Thanks alot!

  pauldriver

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I don't mind if you don't swallow as long as you don't chew.

2/20/10 1:40:39 AM#5

Welcome to New Eden:)

Jam is sticky.

  Malcanis

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

2/20/10 4:07:28 AM#6

Some basic pieces of advice:

(1) If you played other MMOs a lot, try and forget everything you learned in them as much as possible, particularly any expectations you have about other players being limited in how they can interact with you, and even more particularly any ideas about character advancement being the aim of the game rather than just another tool to advance your goals.

(2) If any warnings pop up, read them.

(3) While you will often be told "trust no-one", that's not quite true. What you should do is treat trusting anyone as if it were gambling. What are the odds? What are the stakes? What can I afford to lose? What's in it for him? Scams and ganks are perfectly legal in EVE, even in hi-sec.

(4) When older players give you advice about fitting ships, for the love of god, at least try following their suggestions.

(5) Don't listen to the morons who will advise you to train nothing but Learning skills to start with. Yes, doing that is more "efficient" when it comes to accumulating SP, but you're paying to play the game. A good rule of thumb is to spend no more than 50% of your training time on Learnings until you have basics at 4, advanced at 3. Then just leave them alone for a month or two.

(6) Don't listen to the people who tell you that you shouldn't leave hi-sec "until you're ready" and then tell you you will need x million SP or y ship class or z amount of ISK. You're "ready" to leave hi-sec when you want to leave hi-sec. I know people who left to live in 0.0 on their second day. I went to 0.0 after about 2 months, and I've frequently wished I went earlier. I would however recommend completing all the tutorials before leaving hi-sec.

(7) Don't listen to the idiot moron griefers who spread the pernicious lie that you need 10/20/40M SP and a Battleship/HAC/Dreadnaught "to be competitive" at PvP. Player skill beats character skill in PVP. The best way for a new player to "compete" at PvP is to get out there and do it. Want to learn to PvP? Join Red vs Blue. They will accept anyone no matter what. They aren't a training corp, they exist purely to provide PvP on demand in Hi-sec. You can leave or rejoin at any time. If you get a taste for blood, you can get some great training with Agony Unleashed, who will teach you PVP procedures more formally and thoroughly.

(8) You don't have to grind missions to make ISK. Missioning is the EVE equivalent of being on welfare - a boring, low-level income for people who can't find a real job. There's a huge and complex economy out there, with a lot of opportunities for a thoughtful alert player with a fast, cheap ship.

(9) Do ALL the tutorials.

(10) Everything I've told you is a cheap dirty lie designed to make you lose your ship to me because I'm a nasty amoral griefer who doesn't want filthy noobs like you cluttering up my nice, l33t game.

 

Welcome to EVE.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  lethys

Novice Member

Joined: 4/26/09
Posts: 596

2/20/10 4:14:36 AM#7
Originally posted by Malcanis

Some basic pieces of advice:

(1) If you played other MMOs a lot, try and forget everything you learned in them as much as possible, particularly any expectations you have about other players being limited in how they can interact with you, and even more particularly any ideas about character advancement being the aim of the game rather than just another tool to advance your goals.

(2) If any warnings pop up, read them.

(3) While you will often be told "trust no-one", that's not quite true. What you should do is treat trusting anyone as if it were gambling. What are the odds? What are the stakes? What can I afford to lose? What's in it for him? Scams and ganks are perfectly legal in EVE, even in hi-sec.

(4) When older players give you advice about fitting ships, for the love of god, at least try following their suggestions.

(5) Don't listen to the morons who will advise you to train nothing but Learning skills to start with. Yes, doing that is more "efficient" when it comes to accumulating SP, but you're paying to play the game. A good rule of thumb is to spend no more than 50% of your training time on Learnings until you have basics at 4, advanced at 3. Then just leave them alone for a month or two.

(6) Don't listen to the people who tell you that you shouldn't leave hi-sec "until you're ready" and then tell you you will need x million SP or y ship class or z amount of ISK. You're "ready" to leave hi-sec when you want to leave hi-sec. I know people who left to live in 0.0 on their second day. I went to 0.0 after about 2 months, and I've frequently wished I went earlier. I would however recommend completing all the tutorials before leaving hi-sec.

(7) Don't listen to the idiot moron griefers who spread the pernicious lie that you need 10/20/40M SP and a Battleship/HAC/Dreadnaught "to be competitive" at PvP. Player skill beats character skill in PVP. The best way for a new player to "compete" at PvP is to get out there and do it. Want to learn to PvP? Join Red vs Blue. They will accept anyone no matter what. They aren't a training corp, they exist purely to provide PvP on demand in Hi-sec. You can leave or rejoin at any time. If you get a taste for blood, you can get some great training with Agony Unleashed, who will teach you PVP procedures more formally and thoroughly.

(8) You don't have to grind missions to make ISK. Missioning is the EVE equivalent of being on welfare - a boring, low-level income for people who can't find a real job. There's a huge and complex economy out there, with a lot of opportunities for a thoughtful alert player with a fast, cheap ship.

(9) Do ALL the tutorials.

(10) Everything I've told you is a cheap dirty lie designed to make you lose your ship to me because I'm a nasty amoral griefer who doesn't want filthy noobs like you cluttering up my nice, l33t game.

 

Welcome to EVE.

QFT

 

Also, EVE University is a good corporation to join if they are recruiting, which they usually are unless they're deep into some combat.  Which they also usually are.

  batolemaeus

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Joined: 9/27/07
Posts: 2040

2/20/10 4:31:46 AM#8


Originally posted by Malcanis

(10) Everything I've told you is a cheap dirty lie designed to make you lose your ship to me because I'm a nasty amoral griefer who doesn't want filthy noobs like you cluttering up my nice, l33t game.


Confirming this. You can trust me. Promised.

  Tekton

Novice Member

Joined: 1/28/07
Posts: 77

 
OP  2/20/10 9:59:57 AM#9

Good read people, thanks for taking the time.

 

I think I will wait a bit with PvP until I actually know what the hell I am doing.

 

Damn 12 hour shifts at work, I wanna get started like now! Arr!

  Yamota

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Joined: 10/05/03
Posts: 6697

Gaming should be about fun, not gender equality.

2/20/10 10:06:49 AM#10

Use these two third party utilities:

evemon.battleclinic.com/ - Eve Mon, excellent program for creating optimal training plans for your characters.

www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp - Eve Fitting Tool, excellent utility for experimenting with different ship fittings.

Both these utilities have helped me immensely and I warmly recomend them. Observe that using your limited API key is recommended when using both these programs (specially Eve Mon) and you can get that on your Eve character account management page.

However beware of other 3PPs as there are alot of untrusted ones that will try and steal your account info. Those two however are safe.

Also keep in mind that the death penalty is harsch, more so than any other MMOG on the market so always have an up to date clone, insure ships that are worth insuring and never go into lowsec space (lower than 0.5) unless you are ready to get ganked by pirates.

Furthermore as money is very important in this game there are ALOT of scammers trying to scam you out of your money so beware and catious about everyone wanting your ISK.

As for getting ISK, the easiest way for new players without a large contact network is to train for a Battlecruiser (Drake is the best for NPC killing) and do level 3 NPC combat missions and when you have the skills for a good Battleship and fittings (like a Raven) you can try level 4s. But those are tough and usually requires months of training to be able to solo.

Finally, when you realise you want to invest long therm in a character then get atleast +3 implants, make a training plan in Eve Mon utility and remap your attributes as suggested in that utility. However be aware that if someone (PvP) pods you (i.e. destroys your ship and the escape pod) you will lose ALL implmants.

  Malcanis

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

2/20/10 11:47:41 AM#11
Originally posted by Tekton

Good read people, thanks for taking the time.

 

I think I will wait a bit with PvP until I actually know what the hell I am doing.

 

Damn 12 hour shifts at work, I wanna get started like now! Arr!

 

Well as I said before, the only way to be "ready" for PVP is to start PVPing. Skillwise, if you can use a microwarp drive, a web, a warp scrambler/disrupter, and some kind of weapon, you're good to go. Everything after that is icing on the cake.

As for your 12 hour shift, take satisfaction in knowing that all those level 1 and 2 skills are still training up while you're offline.

 

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  Tekton

Novice Member

Joined: 1/28/07
Posts: 77

 
OP  2/20/10 12:25:22 PM#12

Thanks for all the advice, they are greatly appreciated. If you reckon you got the time send me a pm with your in-game name, I'm sure I'll have alot more questions once I get in game.

  Malcanis

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

2/20/10 12:39:57 PM#13

This is my in game name. I never hide behind alts or aliases because I stand by everything I say.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  batolemaeus

Pod Killer

Joined: 9/27/07
Posts: 2040

2/20/10 3:52:29 PM#14


Originally posted by Malcanis
This is my in game name. I never hide behind alts or aliases because I stand by everything I say.

Like any real man should.


(See what I did there?)

  Malcanis

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3213

"A very special kind of stupidity"

2/20/10 6:09:05 PM#15

Joke if you like. In EVE - just as in real life - a reputation for truthfulness has value.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  batolemaeus

Pod Killer

Joined: 9/27/07
Posts: 2040

2/20/10 7:04:40 PM#16

I wasn't joking.

Also notice how my forum name is identical to my ingame name. Heck, my ALT is named after me. All my other alts are anagrams of my name.

  Cohas

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Joined: 2/29/08
Posts: 145

Never Fear! Cohas is Here!

2/20/10 7:11:41 PM#17

 Trying the game out on a 14 day and i have too say its very enjoyable. 

Have No Fear Cohas is here!!!

  Tekton

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Joined: 1/28/07
Posts: 77

 
OP  2/20/10 11:07:21 PM#18
Originally posted by Cohas

 Trying the game out on a 14 day and i have too say its very enjoyable. 


 

What games did you play before? Just to compare to myself.

  Tekton

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Joined: 1/28/07
Posts: 77

 
OP  2/21/10 9:28:04 PM#19

So I've been spending my entire weekend at work, and reading on this forum and other places of interests when I get the time, since I got a slacky job I've read alot.

 

I was wondering though, since I'll activate my 14 day trial tomorrow, after I'm done with the tutorial and applying to eve uni and all that. It's time for training skills! Right? Well, spontaneously I feel I will lean in to the manufacturing/mining part of the game to start with, but I guess to be successfull with this I need to make some ISK first, right? Can I do this right away with mining/manufacturing or should I start with training  in to combat skills and run missions?

  Malcanis

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Joined: 8/17/09
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"A very special kind of stupidity"

2/22/10 4:42:55 AM#20
Originally posted by Tekton

So I've been spending my entire weekend at work, and reading on this forum and other places of interests when I get the time, since I got a slacky job I've read alot.

 

I was wondering though, since I'll activate my 14 day trial tomorrow, after I'm done with the tutorial and applying to eve uni and all that. It's time for training skills! Right? Well, spontaneously I feel I will lean in to the manufacturing/mining part of the game to start with, but I guess to be successfull with this I need to make some ISK first, right? Can I do this right away with mining/manufacturing or should I start with training  in to combat skills and run missions?


 

If you want to go straight into industry then you can. Many players find it convenient to learn some basic combat skills because missioning is an easy, if tedious way of gaining some starting capital. Running missions is also a way to improve your standings with NPC corporations, which in turn improves your refining efficiency when using stations belonging to that corp. You'll also need good faction standings if you want to set up a POS (player owned station) in Empire space.

One thing I would say - the margins on T1 ship manufacturing are wafer-thin. You'll need optimal skills to compete with the pros here. You'll probably do better manufacturing T1 modules and selling them outside the main trade hubs.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

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