Originally posted by WisebutCruel

 Would I enjoy a PvE only mmo? Let's see.

 

No whiny little pricks who call themselves "hardcore" constantly complaining about "balance".

 

No constant nerfs to my PvE play because of said whiny little pricks complaining about the said "balance".

 

Not watching PvE content get easier to the point of ridiculousness due to the said whiny little pricks and their said complaints about "balance" causing  buffs to continually escalate beyond that needed for PvE.

 

No whiny little pricks crying because "ganking is hard" or "there are guards here".

 

No Darkfall pricks.

 

So, yes. I would definitely play a PvE only mmo. In a frigging heartbeat.

It pains me to say it ( mainly becasue I would have phrased it differntly) but  you summed it up quit well.   Remember when a person could ask a question in a general chatt then receive an answer or advice instead of 15 minutes of rude comments.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

But with zero form of PvP the game loses it's challenge. The AI in PvE is weak and easy to figure out how to win everytime.

This isn't alwasy the case though.  During EQII closed beta SOE had a decent AI in fro the mobs to start with.  You could fight a group and have the NPC leader order his troops to get priest  or the enchanter and such. based on the DEvs preception as to what the killign order should be ( very similar to who you would kill in pvp) , They would then concentrate on killing that player first.  Unfortunatly, some players screamed about this feature and they tuned it down.

My answer.........."Hell no!!!! It needs to have a balance of everything. ESPECIALLY PvP. If someone wants a PvE, they can just get a gaming console and buy an RPG because it doesn't make any difference whether you're online or not at that point. Only sissies complain about having to deal with PvP.

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Originally posted by Thedrizzle
100% PvE? it was called Horizons and it didnt last too long.(Damn thats probably a game most people didnt play)

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Actually, it's called "Final Fantasy XI" and it's been one of the most successful MMORPGs after World of Warcraft (yes, it beat out EQ, although most people don't realize it).

If the PvE was awesome and the game was awesome, sure.

It depends on the quality of PvE. Most games out today have horrible PvE so they need a bit of PvP to keep things exciting.

I enjoyed playing EQ for 5+ years on a PvE server. Now any game I play must have PvP simply because the PvE is not challenging and not fun.

Originally posted by Murashu

It depends on the quality of PvE. Most games out today have horrible PvE so they need a bit of PvP to keep things exciting.

 

I enjoyed playing EQ for 5+ years on a PvE server. Now any game I play must have PvP simply because the PvE is not challenging and not fun.

not true I found the PVE in DDO both challenging and fun......gotta slow down and pay attention

I don't tend to enjoy PVP all that much, to be frank.  Oh I love PVE and teaming up with other players, but the competitive factor just isn't my bag.  So if there was an MMO that was heavily predicated on PVE, and with little or no PVP involved, and which had stellar elements otherwise, I would be thrilled to give it a go.

Originally posted by graggok

Originally posted by Murashu

It depends on the quality of PvE. Most games out today have horrible PvE so they need a bit of PvP to keep things exciting.

 

I enjoyed playing EQ for 5+ years on a PvE server. Now any game I play must have PvP simply because the PvE is not challenging and not fun.

 

not true I found the PVE in DDO both challenging and fun......gotta slow down and pay attention

 

I played DDO for about 2 months and just couldnt get into it. Since it eventually went F2P I assume the majority of players didnt enjoy it either. I'm not a fan of instancing nor small scale PvE which is all DDO had when I played it. If they had some open world dungeons and 40-60 man raids that were challenging like the old EQ raids then I might consider it fun.
 

Originally posted by popinjay

 

 

 

Games with heavy PvE content with the people acting like that with poor social coping skills in the above capped text are usually self-policing. Anyone who has played a PvE game like FFXI will tell you those people above saying that nonsense would get blackballed and put on /block lists.

PvP'rs have used similar lists as well. Myself and a few others when playing healer's have on more than one occassion put people on the "Do not heal" list.  Being able to self-police is a matter of game mechanics more than playerbase.  It would be safe to assume that most MMO players have played at least 2-3 different MMO's so a lot of the communities have rotated through different games.

 

No one wants their PvE experience ruined by people like that with poor social skills, so those people usually find themselves without parties since they obviously have social problems dealing with their fellow man/woman and treating them with basic respect

Most people don't want their pvp exerience ruined by people like this either. At least in a pvp environment I can either kill them, or out perform them.

 

 

The funny thing is that I usually see those "Glad you are leaving our pvp game, noob. Carebears leave now" types really aren't sad to see non-pvp players leave. They take up the majority of their "fame/rank/standing/prestige" points that make them so "famous" in the first place because they simply choose to live on this type of opponent.

 

The majority of people I see claiming to be "good" at pvp are usually spending ways to find out how they can get the easy kills or game exploits on people doing something OTHER than PvP at the time i.e. (Farming mobs, collecting resources for crafting, away from keyboard to answer the door, etc...) Then they brag later about their leet skills.

Have you really seen the "majority" of pvp'rs ? Across all MMO's??   A huge exaggeration on your part. Even if you played 20 hours a day for 7 days a week for the last 9 years, you still would not have seen but a minuscule fraction of any pvp encounters or the entire MMO playerbase as a whole. Your claim here is laughable.

 

Don't even get started on the gold buyers who have to have the good gear to beat anyone in a pvp game, or the outright hackers who can't stand losing so they hack to hit you from under the floor, fly in the air (in non flying games), run with superspeed that even the Flash couldn't catch, or simply wear cloth and laugh while an entire guild is beating on them doing 1 dmg point each, lol.

So you think the PVE'rs do not buy gold? You think hacks and exploits are limited only to the pvp crowd and not the pve crowd? Accept the fact that cheaters exist in both crowds and they are both equally lame.

Pvp rocks.. yawn.
Very rarely in any pvp I have played in the last few years that has some type of open world are these "hardcore" gamers fighting worthy opponents because those losses drop their rankings and muss their epeen, so they choose to go after the carebears. Heck, a lot even brag about it, then when you call them out on it later, they claim they really go after the "tougher" opponents and was just "having fun griefing". Can't have it both ways, friend... youre either a ganker or you're not.

This could be more due to the fact that there haven't been many games who have made meaningful pvp with a sandbox approach. Deathmatches and Arenas suck.

 

Basically, if Pvp people left Pve games, no one would notice really since its such a small part of the overall MMO population, seeing how the typical MMO players are casual players and prefer PvE. But if Pve people left pvp based games, most of those games would collapse overnight, or be like ghost towns.

Do you really have the numbers to back this claim or are you exaggerating again? Because if you look at the games list on this site you'll see that almost all games that have been released or are in production include pvp. That doesn't suggest that the pvp crowd is as small as you try to make it seem.

Lets be honest here. most of the games that you see with PVP in, it mostly geared towards end content. That not to say there none any eariler, but most game set a truely low end level. Kudos to games like WOW, who do continously up the level rate, and give newer stuff to do. However it still remains, half the PVP that is in games is there cos you hit the end level barrier and really, what else is there to do? (normally I go back and do achievements that I havent done)

  You could start a new char but let face it, sometimes going through the same old levels can be less appealing, and for some of the things you want to do, game mechanics sometimes make it hard, or maybe even the time you play. Wanted a particular item that was part of a group quest and in the end had to just give up cos you just couldnt get that group together? Yeah sometimes your lucky and can get a group together or even people in your guild to help.

  Anarchy online by funcom, had a great approach. yeah it had pvp. but it had something like 200 odd levels that you could do just doing PVE stuff (and believe me, it does take a damn long time). To those who argue that just too long to level up to end level I say, Why? Why do you need to get to end level that quick? To look like a peacock? To proudly strut your stuff in the main town? Personally I loved that long levelling cos it took so damn long to level one char, that quite frankly I forgotten most of the starter stuff.

  Would I play an all PVE game? Yeah sure I probably would. But would I always stay? That Im not too sure on. There are days when I do feel the need, when I had a bad day, to find someone and pound their char into the ground. When I do feel a flush of achievement when I beaten someone of equal level and gearage.

  But then, I do love those days, when I managed to help out my guild mates in their missions, gathered stuff for the guild that will help others in the guild. Do crafting and help out a player who would like some stuff, but cos he is a causual player, He cant possibly get those stuff, unless he lucky and gets it one of the rare times.

In short, there is always gonna be a need for pure PVP mmo, PVE-PVP mmo, and Im just shocked really, that there isnt a noteworthy Pure PVE mmo out there. Final Fantasy has been mentioned, but I remember my old console days with Final Fantasy too fondly, that I just probably wouldnt find it as appealing as a MMO. but that just me.

Yes. Happily.

Considering my favorite MMO and the one I enjoyed the most was FFXI and it was 99% PvE? Yes I would.

My belief is this, MMORPGs are for PvE content. If you want pvp go play a fps or something.

To have good PVP ya need to get cheaters, botters, and hackers out.

A good PVE game can create a big variety of ineresting and diffcult scenarious to conquer,

where many mmorpg pvp games just turn into a zerg fest,  high lvl ganks low lvl , end gear ganks casual gear.

So i would totaly play full PVE.

Originally posted by Yellowman26

 

In short, there is always gonna be a need for pure PVP mmo, PVE-PVP mmo, and Im just shocked really, that there isnt a noteworthy Pure PVE mmo out there. Final Fantasy has been mentioned, but I remember my old console days with Final Fantasy too fondly, that I just probably wouldnt find it as appealing as a MMO. but that just me.

For all intent and purposes, LOTRO is a pure pve game.

The pvp portion is completely separate and has nothing to do with the rest of the game. I would also add vanguard to that mix as well even with its issues.

Yes!

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Originally posted by Marcus-

However, those arent the only PvP type games that exist..

DAoC and Warhammer brought in two games with a very different type of PvP, RvR, Aion as well (though i havent played it, so i cant give specifics) as just a few examples.. I'm curious why you have to judge the majority of  PvPers from what we all will agree is a very niche' type of game..

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Well, Doac and War were both made by the same company, Mythic. So they aren't certainly aren't "very" different types of Pvp games as you claim.

Moreover, Realm vs Realm pvp (RvR) is still... say it... PvP. It's done on a larger scale at times but not always, and eventually will probably end up in a giant zerg. There is more small man group action in War than large scale Realm vs Realm action.

So in the end, its still all player vs player (PvP) because its players killing other players.. no matter how many. Instead of small team ganking like in other games, you have zerg ganking. No difference.

Your position that they are "very different" types of games doesn't hold all that much water.It's like saying a Whopper with bacon and a Double Cheeseburger with extra pickles are two "very" different burgers. There are differences, but the end result is they both are burgers although one doesnt come with tomatoes and lettuce.

As to the majority, I don't think I said the majority are this way or that way. I think if you read carefully, I pretty much state what type of PvP player that is I described. I did not say that's the majority, however, that is the majority of ones I have seen acting that way. I think enough people have seen hardcore PvPers to understand what the underlying attitude of them in game is. I sure hope this isn't a case where someone tried on a shoe and it fit nicely. :)

Most pvpers log in, kill someone for an hour or two and log. That is not the people I am speaking of, and I'm pretty sure you knew that unless you were skimming and scanning my text.

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Originally posted by popinjay

 The majority of people I see claiming to be "good" at pvp are usually spending ways to find out how they can get the easy kills or game exploits on people doing something OTHER than PvP at the time i.e. (Farming mobs, collecting resources for crafting, away from keyboard to answer the door, etc...) Then they brag later about their leet skills.

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Originally posted by Greenie
Have you really seen the "majority" of pvp'rs ? Across all MMO's??   A huge exaggeration on your part. Even if you played 20 hours a day for 7 days a week for the last 9 years, you still would not have seen but a minuscule fraction of any pvp encounters or the entire MMO playerbase as a whole. Your claim here is laughable.

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1. I made no claims about anything other than the players I see. That may only work out to 1% of pver's or even less. I am not here speaking about the majority of pvpers; just the majority of hardcore pvpers I have seen. Capice?

2. I spoke nothing about "all MMOs".

I won't go any further with rebuttals until we get this part straight because you've started your post off on the wrong foot with a faulty premise here.

You have either:

A. Misread what I wrote and then had your whole opinion based on that misreading.

B. Read correctly what I wrote, and still claimed that I was exaggeration when you put in your own variables I said nothing about initally ("all MMOs)

C. Got offended somehow and then went on the defensive.

p.s. Goldbuying in a PvE game isn't an issue, friend. If another PvEer buys gold, that does nothing to affect my ACTUAL gameplay. Nor does it inhibit what I personally am able to do as I am fighting mobs; not people.

But really quick to address a quick point as a side; in a PvP game, goldbuying is a gamekiller. Why? I hope you don't really need me to explain to you why it's an issue in that game and not PvE.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

 

 

p.s. Goldbuying in a PvE game isn't an issue, friend. If another PvEer buys gold, that does nothing to affect my ACTUAL gameplay. Nor does it inhibit what I personally am able to do as I am fighting mobs; not people.

 

 

 

But really quick to address a quick point as a side; in a PvP game, goldbuying is a gamekiller. Why? I hope you don't really need me to explain to you why it's an issue in that game and not PvE.

Gold-buying in any type of game can have negative impacts on the economy, even PvE.

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by popinjay

 

 The majority of people I see claiming to be "good" at pvp are usually spending ways to find out how they can get the easy kills or game exploits on people doing something OTHER than PvP at the time i.e. (Farming mobs, collecting resources for crafting, away from keyboard to answer the door, etc...) Then they brag later about their leet skills.

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Originally posted by Greenie
Have you really seen the "majority" of pvp'rs ? Across all MMO's??   A huge exaggeration on your part. Even if you played 20 hours a day for 7 days a week for the last 9 years, you still would not have seen but a minuscule fraction of any pvp encounters or the entire MMO playerbase as a whole. Your claim here is laughable.

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I won't go any further with rebuttals until we get this part straight because you've started your post off on the wrong foot with a faulty premise here.

 

You have either:
A. Misread what I wrote and then had your whole opinion based on that misreading.

 

 

 

 

p.s. Goldbuying in a PvE game isn't an issue, friend. If another PvEer buys gold, that does nothing to affect my ACTUAL gameplay. Nor does it inhibit what I personally am able to do as I am fighting mobs; not people.

 

 

 

But really quick to address a quick point as a side; in a PvP game, goldbuying is a gamekiller. Why? I hope you don't really need me to explain to you why it's an issue in that game and not PvE.

You are correct, I did misread what you wrote. I do find it funny that you added Option B. That I misread and "still posted on an inaccurate rebuttal based on that misreading, knowingly.  That to me screams of cynicism on your part, which is why I can see you have the attitude towards pvp'rs that you do. If you didn't possess any cynicism you wouldn't even have thought to put that down as an option. Just a thought. And yea, of course I get defensive, because I love pvp and at the same time, I don't corpse camp, don't trash talk, love helping people out in pvp and pve whenever I have the time. I love playing support characters that round out a group, but every anti-pvp'r in the world exaggerates one segment of the pvp population as to being the norm.

Also, goldbuying being an issue that affects your gameplay wasn't the point. The point was, pve'rs and pvp'rs alike buy gold.  There are cheaters in both areas.

Goldbuying in a game is actually not a game killer in a pvp game. People could buy gold and PL in DaoC on the open market, didn't affect me. All goldbuying does is drive up prices of items making me work longer to get them. Sure it sucks and I don't like it, but it's not going to actually change the gameplay or my ability to compete. (Unless you're talking about timed spawns on bosses with lockout timers -which is a horrible and stupid game mechanic that should never exist)