Originally posted by Toquio3

Yeah but cmon man, EVE is kinda like a social / space simulator. I imagine that if I was in the future flying a ship I would have to pay attention to lots of monitors, lots of flashing lights, and less of what was just outside the actual cockpit.

If you can immerse yourself into it, good for you.  Just please stop posting fake "This is EVE", that is not EVE.

Originally posted by alldfart

Originally posted by Toquio3

Yeah but cmon man, EVE is kinda like a social / space simulator. I imagine that if I was in the future flying a ship I would have to pay attention to lots of monitors, lots of flashing lights, and less of what was just outside the actual cockpit.

 

If you can immerse yourself into it, good for you.  Just please stop posting fake "This is EVE", that is not EVE.

I didnt post "this is EVE", you did that actually. I just think you went a tad overboard. If you cant immerse yourself into it, thats fine. Just please stop posting fake "this is EVE". Making Excel jokes is all fine if you do it for comic effect, even I do that sometimes, but its not ok if you're just trying to get a rise out of people.

Originally posted by Toquio3

I didnt post "this is EVE", you did that actually.

Nope. I did not. I posted This is Real EVE.

Originally posted by alldfart

Exactly why I sooo hate eve fanboiz. The picture above has nothing to do with the real gameplay.

 

 

Hardly a fanboi, I haven't subscribed to EVE since March 2009. But nice try.

Eve is definately worth it, but it's too much of a timesink to enjoy all its riches. It's one of the few MMORPG's out there which has such solid progressive gameplay, even after 4 years of play, I still found myself things to do. Tempted to go back myself, but I just don't have the free time to play it as I once did.

Originally posted by alldfart

Originally posted by Toquio3

I didnt post "this is EVE", you did that actually.

 

Nope. I did not. I posted This is Real EVE.

Thats right, you did. And it was pure trolling. What are you afraid of man? EVE is just a game. How would yellow feel if everyone liked blue? Chew on that one for a while and then take a nap. When you wake up I promise everything will be just fine. =)

Fart guy, the more energy you spend bashing eve, the more it looks like the game represents some powerful negative emotional experience for you.

i.e. the more it looks like eve kicked your ass and you've come here to cry about it.

A spreadsheet is to eve what a telescope is to the cosmos.  Get over it and move on.

Originally posted by ExplodingPod

i.e. the more it looks like eve kicked your ass

Does it make you proud of the game?

Originally posted by Toquio3  

Thats right, you did. And it was pure trolling.

It was not. And you actually agreed that it what the game looks like.

Originally posted by alldfart

Originally posted by Toquio3  

Thats right, you did. And it was pure trolling.

 

It was not. And you actually agreed that it what the game looks like.

No, I said that was what the market looks like. There is more to EVE than the market. Just because you couldnt find anything doesnt mean you should look down on the game as a whole.

Originally posted by Toquio3

Now you're just not making sense. Is there a point in all this rambling of yours? "Is it really about market?". Ok, dont get me started of poor sentence structure, I'll just ask you to rephrase that question into something coherent. Then I'll try to answer.

That was a rhetorical question. Ok, three of them.

Originally posted by alldfart

Originally posted by Toquio3

Now you're just not making sense. Is there a point in all this rambling of yours? "Is it really about market?". Ok, dont get me started of poor sentence structure, I'll just ask you to rephrase that question into something coherent. Then I'll try to answer.

 

That was a rhetorical question. Ok, three of them.

Allrighty then. Glad we got that shit sorted. Cya laters =D

its a good game, but what it comes down too what are u looking for in a game. try the trial and see for yourself is always the best thing to do when u just don't know.

Originally posted by Malcanis So you advise people to not even try EVE for free because the overview presents information in a grid format? Do you perhaps have some religious objection? Are you worried that they're risking their soul by even downloading the client and losing their place in heaven because a component of the UI has a rows-and-column format as specifically prohibited in your church's version of the book of Exodus?

It's not just a component of the UI. All your gameplay is locked inside the rows-and-columns.

...Ok, Ok, you've got nice undocking scenery sometimes.

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Originally posted by Malcanis

 

Why do you try to discourage people from even trying EVE?

 Being a good samaritan I am caring about the people and trying to save their time.

Originally posted by alldfart

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by alldfart

I think my screenshot partially answers your question. No it doesant Do you want me to add EVEMon and EFT screenshots? And what has EVE mon and EFT have to do with the game itself?

Can you play the game without spending a good chunk of time in them? Honestly?

Yes i can, infact i dont even have them installed.

These are basically what you see most of the time in the game only if you poorly manage your hud and zoom out 300km all the time, not the nice green "This Is EVE".

In PVP you don't have choice. You HAVE to zoom out. Zoom in only for nice screenshots for forums. No you dont, its not in the eula, not in the TOC and the situations where it provides a advantage are kinda rare. Its your own damn choice to zoom out.

About the hud, it could be even worse, you might have to monitor local, fleet chat, couple of security channels, corp chat, fleet window, drones, overview of course.

I dont have to monitor local, cause there is no local in w-space. I dont have to pay attention to fleet chat either cause we are using eve voice. Nope, no security channels either, we use corpchat/voice for that. Doh yes you have to pay attention to drones, dont fly droneships if it bothers you? So that leaves a corpchat and a overview, oh my how taxing, talk about sensory overload.

 

 

 

 

 

No offense fart, but it sounds to me like like you want to project your experiences on other people, which gets you flamed because we all make different experiences. To reiterate, its your own damn fault. You make the choices that lead to your game experience, you can perfectly well play eve in small to medsized corp going about your buisness in lowsec/w-space/0.0 and have a very relaxed time.

Oh and there is a reason EvE has GUI thingies that look like a spreadsheets. Because thats a very good way to organize large amounts of numerical information. If you know a better way maybe inform the guys over at redmond, they may have a job for you working on MS office.

Originally posted by alldfart

Originally posted by Malcanis

 

Why do you try to discourage people from even trying EVE?

 Being a good samaritan I am caring about the people and trying to save their time.

You're sure spending a lot of your time on this.

Still, I'm glad, because I was concerned that you were doing it because if people did try the game and they did like it and they did have fun playing it and succeed in it then it would make your failure to do so, and your objections to them even trying it look like it was something to do with you and not the game.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

alldfart,

You'd probably be the first to complain if there was no UI to input commands and it was all done by right click context menus instead. EVE's UI is pretty bad, wish they'd improve it, but at least it presents all the information you need in a clean and simple format. But if all you see in EVE is the UI, well, that's just a shame.

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by alldfart

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Lol you have yet to provide any information or proof to bac up your statement alldfart. And although i agree that to some limited degree that image is a bit corny it is  a lot closer to what EvE is than you have stated.

Also a siple question i have for you is what do you ean exactly when you call EvE a Exel spreadsheet?

Edited original post with the proof

 

adding it here as well

 

So you advise people to not even try EVE for free because the overview presents information in a grid format? Do you perhaps have some religious objection? Are you worried that they're risking their soul by even downloading the client and losing their place in heaven because a component of the UI has a rows-and-column format as specifically prohibited in your church's version of the book of Exodus?

 

 

It's because the guy in the orignal screen shot it an idiot who the hell sets up their UI like that I mean seriously.  No reason for the overview to be 15 inches wide or 2 chat windows open that big.  Then again he's prob playing at 800x600 resolution.

Originally posted by alldfart

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by alldfart

I think my screenshot partially answers your question. No it doesant Do you want me to add EVEMon and EFT screenshots? And what has EVE mon and EFT have to do with the game itself?

Can you play the game without spending a good chunk of time in them? Honestly?

These are basically what you see most of the time in the game only if you poorly manage your hud and zoom out 300km all the time, not the nice green "This Is EVE".

In PVP you don't have choice. You HAVE to zoom out. Zoom in only for nice screenshots for forums.

About the hud, it could be even worse, you might have to monitor local, fleet chat, couple of security channels, corp chat, fleet window, drones, overview of course.

 

 

 

 

 

Despite the obviousness of the obvious troll, I just couldn’t help myself:

I play EvE on a Mac, which does not support EvEMon or EFT. Yet, I’m reasonably successful in-game, and enjoy playing EvE quite a bit. Both of those programs are tools that you can use to help you sort information and plan your experience in EvE, but unless you’re one of the many brainwashed max-level-mongers of the WoW breed, you’d realize that EvE is not about max-level. So the added efficiency provided by EvEMon and EFT are a luxury, not a requirement. Doing some old fashioned research will get you just as far.

I do the majority of my PvP in a T1 frig in low-sec. Since frigs are very small, and use the onboard scanner quite a bit to hunt potential targets, zooming out to 300km is completely unfeasible. My camera usually rests at about 10-15k off my ship. Further, I find blob fleet PvP very, very boring. The quick reaction time, tactics, and action in general of frig-based PvP is much more exciting. Frig-based PvP is also cheap, and very accessible. There are several pirate corps out there that recruit low SP pilots and train them up.

My HUD typically consists of one chat-box for “corp”, “alliance”, “ransom”, and “private chat” and another above it for “fleet” and “local” chat. “Fleet” chat is generally unused in fleet PvP because if you’re doing fleet PvP w/o Vent, you’re dead already (if you’re doing any sort of gang PvP w/o Vent you’re not being very smart). As for those other chats, if you really find you need to have them in view at all times, you should probably being hanging out on MSN chat and not playing EvE.
I also sport the overview in the right upper corner. My overview has been tweaked to have the following tabs: “PvP”, “missions”, “mining”, and “default”. Each of these tabs is set specifically for the task at hand and shows only the essential info for that task…i.e. they’re not very cluttered. If your overview is cumbersome, you’re doing it wrong.
My drone-bay window is located in the upper left portion of the screen beside the system info (though I rarely fly ships that use drones). It’s small and out-of-the-way, as this window really doesn’t require that much size to be useful.

If you do happen to enjoy large fleet PvP, then seeing your one small ship take up your entire screen probably isn’t your main joy anyway. Those types of players likely enjoy being zoomed out to 100k and managing the tactics and micro-tactics of a fleet-wide assault.

alldfart: If you’re not a troll, which I highly doubt, you’d be well served to learn some basic functions of a game before launching your sorry attempts at “saving” the public from it.

Cheers!