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1/20/10 10:50:13 AM#21
Originally posted by TUX426
The complaints about the number of Character slots is a joke IMO. If you want more than 3, why wouldn't you expect to pay more? At least they're offering the option without jacking you for the game again like most other MMOs. Huh? Usually only sandbox games limit you THAT much in character slots. |
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1/20/10 10:55:52 AM#22
The lack of character slots is telling. In CoH, I used up all 8 slots, and then used more on other servers. There were that many different power combinations to play with and experiment with. STO probably does not have that kind of variety, so they figured you only needed 3 slots. But this is Cryptic, expect more major changes in the future. ------------- |
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maskedweasel
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1/20/10 11:10:33 AM#23
Originally posted by EricDanie Huh? Usually only sandbox games limit you THAT much in character slots.
If the additional character slots weren't wanted they wouldn't be selling them at all. There were times in MMOs when it didn't matter how many character slots you wanted, you had a set amount and that was unchanging. Cryptic is expecting players to use their slots and most possibly want more. If there are more classes and variations then there are slots to make characters, then they are hoping to make some additional money on slots. "Loan me a Dragon I wanna see space"
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1/20/10 11:11:07 AM#24
Originally posted by TUX426
The complaints about the number of Character slots is a joke IMO. If you want more than 3, why wouldn't you expect to pay more? At least they're offering the option without jacking you for the game again like most other MMOs.
Most other MMO's?? Name Five. No, most other MMO's give you 5 slots or more. Some few charge for extra slots or give them as a bonus for an upgraded subscription. Charging for a fourth slot + skill cap + charging full price subscription for another of their half assed attempts at game creation + RMT = Scheming greedy SPOS vendors or SGSPOSV Refugee from UO,EQ,AC,AC2,AO,DAOC,L2,SB,HZ,CoH,PT,EQ2,WoW,VG,SWG,EVE,WAR,DF,MO,AI,GA, LOTRO... |
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1/20/10 11:24:06 AM#25
Originally posted by comerb
Have you played a Cryptic game? By level 16 you have accessed 95% of the content. It just ends up being recycled over and over again. They don't actually add meaningful content to any of their games. That is so true. I remember CoH at 15 was the same CoH at the upper levels. That was until they developed CoV which did add a bit of change. So I guess that means people should buy STO and plan to play it a year or so later when it actually has longevity. |
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1/20/10 12:24:52 PM#26
Originally posted by shylock1079
Better yet, don't buy it and wait for a year, then get it for under £10 and get a better experience when playing. By doing that you save money, maybe by then it will have either been a hit (good times because you got a good game for cheap) or a flop (good times because you saved a fortune by not buying a crap game). Could even become free to play by then.... or have closed down completely. The way the gaming industry is now and will be in the future, you need a lot of patience, a large wallet or both. Develop a game, strip it down to its bare bones, release it and then sell off the pieces that have been stripped away as DLC... after a year or so, rerelease game including all the DLC at the price it was first released...... $$$$$$Profit$$$$$$ Edit: Wow, that last paragraph sounded like an internal EA or Atari memo....... |
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1/20/10 12:41:59 PM#27
Originally posted by Dugath No he really can't get his money back it is part of the beta agreement. Says something along the lines of once you use the beta key you are obligated to pay for the game.
That's Correct, I already used the Beta Key they gave me. It is okay, maybe they will make all sorts of improvements to the game sometime. A least I will already have it. For one i know the interface is supposed to change for the actual release Thank god I didn't have to buy anything or commit to buying anything when I got my Beta key. |
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Vesavius
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Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
The fact that they built the 'once you played beta no refund' into things speaks volumes tbh. They are basically saying, yeah we know you are gonna cancel as soon as you see it... If they were confident of their game and what it offers then this wouldnt be in. |
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1/20/10 1:11:03 PM#29
Originally posted by vesavius That's true, and it stnks... a lot. -=AlaKraM=- |
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1/20/10 1:12:08 PM#30
Originally posted by Kyleran
While I enjoy STO this is the same opinion I have always held about Cryptic and could not have put it better than you did with the statement that "Cryptic makes games and not worlds". And I have to say that STO while fun for me for now is no exception. It seems to me a design philosphy they follow and if anyone was asking my opinion it is a bad one Cryptic in my opinion is trying to make mmo's more like offline console games which again doesn't really work because mmo players already have to own a pc to play which means basically if the players wanted console games they would buy and play on a console. I haven't changed my opinion at all about the trolls who try to bash this game to no end with opinionated statements like "Cryptic is breaking the IP!", but I can see easily that this game is not going to appeal to alot of people. I'm still keeping my pre order though and again I'm sure I'll certainly enjoy the first month and may even play beyond that but my biggest hope is that they can remind me of Turbines work on LOTRO as far as keeping things fresh and adding content to the game if they can do that just like Turbine they will have my money for as long as they need it. And to the guy who compared Cryptic to SOE do you even know what you are talking about? You are comparing a company that makes games that aren't fun for everyone to a company who wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the face and even less about the code used to make there own games, hopefully you were just making that statement to make a point otherwise I'll be forced to wonder how much you actually "know" about the genre. |
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1/20/10 1:24:20 PM#31
Originally posted by vesavius Do you really believe this? This is akin to complaining that department stores don't allow you to take home the merchandise before paying for it. While I usually consider myself a trusting person I'd think it would take a fool to not expect a million people to drop the five dollar deposit just to test out the game and complain then cancel the pre order. While I agree that some of Cryptics money making tactics are bush league this is just smart business. And I say this simply from listening to all the clowns in the beta already that don't even play the game, are just there to as one player put it do "everything in my power to make sure Cryptic fails. Look at it this way if no one pre ordered this policy would be worthless because Cryptic would have to issue beta keys anyway (like they did with me I played both closed and open beta and have not pre ordered yet though I plan to this week from Amazon). While this particular policy isn't surprising I don't think it means all that you are making it out to it's just smart business. |
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1/20/10 1:37:06 PM#32
Originally posted by TUX426
The complaints about the number of Character slots is a joke IMO. If you want more than 3, why wouldn't you expect to pay more? At least they're offering the option without jacking you for the game again like most other MMOs.
Because, as others have stated, other games, including Crytics own CoX, has far more slots. Their reason is a technical one. Toons and all their ships take up alot more space than most toons do in other games, so I get where there are fewer slots. My problem, which I describe in other threads, is that they're eliminating features from the game that made a large amount of character slots unnecessary. |
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1/20/10 1:51:56 PM#33
Originally posted by Frostbite05 No he really can't get his money back it is part of the beta agreement. Says something along the lines of once you use the beta key you are obligated to pay for the game. I just canceled my card instead. "It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees," |
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1/20/10 2:01:59 PM#34
Originally posted by maskedweasel Huh? Usually only sandbox games limit you THAT much in character slots.
If the additional character slots weren't wanted they wouldn't be selling them at all. There were times in MMOs when it didn't matter how many character slots you wanted, you had a set amount and that was unchanging. Cryptic is expecting players to use their slots and most possibly want more. If there are more classes and variations then there are slots to make characters, then they are hoping to make some additional money on slots. No. They are reducing the number of character slots everyone gets in an average MMO and charging for it, as if alts weren't a beneficial trend for developers already as people get bored or out of content on their main characters they play on additional ones instead of canceling their subscription. Just a few examples (I might have a few outdated numbers that have been increased, because on some of them I've simply done a very quick research): Aion - 8 total
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1/20/10 2:07:06 PM#35
Originally posted by EricDanie
If the additional character slots weren't wanted they wouldn't be selling them at all. There were times in MMOs when it didn't matter how many character slots you wanted, you had a set amount and that was unchanging. Cryptic is expecting players to use their slots and most possibly want more. If there are more classes and variations then there are slots to make characters, then they are hoping to make some additional money on slots. No. They are reducing the number of character slots everyone gets in an average MMO and charging for it, as if alts were a beneficial trend for developers already as people get bored or out of content on their main characters they play on additional ones instead of canceling their subscription. Just a few examples (I might have a few outdated numbers that have been increased, because on some of them I've simply done a very quick research): Aion - 8 total
It doesnt matter what cryptic does, they have lost the respect of almost all their loyal followers by this point. Like I mentioned in another thread I actually had a Cryptic Fansite, Called "Crypticgamers.com" and I absolutely hate cryptic now. Seriously you can do as many cheap attempts at money you want, but consistent fans is what makes an MMO and a company. They are done. Also just on a side note, how many character slots are they allowing in STO? Im almost afraid to read it haha |
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1/20/10 2:21:21 PM#36
Originally posted by Recker So what ur telling me is that you are canceling ur pre order based on lvl 16, not able to access 95% of the content, and more so the fact that cryptic is being forced to release nearly 9 months earlier than planned because of atari. If you want to bitch about lag new servers are on the way and will be implemented asap. Whats even funnier is all the lag issues will pretty much disapeer with the lvl cap being removed because then everyone wont be jammed into the same space. Cryptic is very capable, if you want someone to blame email call write a letter harass bombard ATARI!!!
The lag issues will disappear cause the open beta will be complete and no one will have a reason to play it anymore to pass the time. The fact that you say cryptic is being force to release something 9months in advance before its ready is now the norm. Which by alot of MMO vets is now unacceptable. Your gonna release trash well we aren't going to support your trash and fund life support systems while you try and hash in more garbage into an already dying game. I feel sorry for anyone who invests thier money or time into this. But, I pretty much said it on other posts...... I hope this game flops really hard. Its the only way the MMO industry is going to change. |
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1/20/10 2:24:30 PM#37
My preorder is confirmed as usual. STO has its problems but its also great fun. And not being 40 year old bitter trekkie helps in enjoying its good points. if you guys are looking for perfect MMO, its never gonna happen. i suggest you quit MMO today and find a new hobby. |
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1/20/10 2:25:04 PM#38
Originally posted by LeKinK
That's Correct, I already used the Beta Key they gave me. It is okay, maybe they will make all sorts of improvements to the game sometime. A least I will already have it. For one i know the interface is supposed to change for the actual release
I am in the same boat. I would cancell my preorder if I could but I can't. The game is fun and all but I don't want to support Cryptic since they steal us Canadian for no reason.
Anyone know what country Cryptic are based in? If you bought your pre-order from a UK registered company you have the same consumer rights as if you bought it from a shop in the UK, you can return it for a full refund if unsatisfied with the product, thats the law even though companies will try and tell you differently. Consumers have a lot more power than they realise, it simply doesn't matter what restrictions the company tell you are linked to the product, that in no way replaces or removes your basic consumer rights. As for downloads, again that will depend on the country that download site is registered in. I wonder how the law applies in this case, i simply don't know for sure. Unfortunately i think Steam downloaders will struggle to get a refund as contacting Steam about such things is nigh on impossible and it is them who you need to contact. My advice...it never hurts to ask the question. The worst they can say is...no. |
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Vesavius
Old School
Joined: 3/08/04
Players come for the game, but they stay for the people- Most Devs have forgotten this. |
Originally posted by jaxsundane Do you really believe this? This is akin to complaining that department stores don't allow you to take home the merchandise before paying for it. While I usually consider myself a trusting person I'd think it would take a fool to not expect a million people to drop the five dollar deposit just to test out the game and complain then cancel the pre order. While I agree that some of Cryptics money making tactics are bush league this is just smart business. And I say this simply from listening to all the clowns in the beta already that don't even play the game, are just there to as one player put it do "everything in my power to make sure Cryptic fails. Look at it this way if no one pre ordered this policy would be worthless because Cryptic would have to issue beta keys anyway (like they did with me I played both closed and open beta and have not pre ordered yet though I plan to this week from Amazon). While this particular policy isn't surprising I don't think it means all that you are making it out to it's just smart business.
Yes I do, and no it isnt. If you want to use dodgy irrelevant analogies (which I hate because it always just becomes a argument about whether the analogy is correct or not, rather then the point at hand), It would be closer to a dep store charging me for trying on a shirt in their changing rooms, insisting I pay for it once I found that it dosent fit or the workmanship was crap. Funny how 'smart business' always seems to involve ripping the consumer off. Well done though for arguing for POOR product and LESS consumer rights at the same time. Cryptic are beyond greedy imo... they make SOE look like a charity.
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1/20/10 3:10:41 PM#40
Originally posted by vesavius
Yes I do, and no it isnt. If you want to use dodgy irrelevant analogies (which I hate because it always just becomes a argument about whether the analogy is correct or not, rather then the point at hand), It would be closer to a dep store charging me for trying on a shirt in their changing rooms, insisting I pay for it once I found that it dosent fit or the workmanship was crap. Funny how 'smart business' always seems to involve ripping the consumer off. Well done though for arguing for POOR product and LESS consumer rights at the same time. Cryptic are beyond greedy imo... they make SOE look like a charity.
When you own your own personal business and do not pull all the strings to make profit please come back and share your wisdom with us. No one has gun on your head if you want to buy its your choice if not shut the hell up. Cryptic didn't come barging into your home and ask for your money.
I have heard this bullcrap so many times before whether its Mcdonald or Microsoft. Guess what? its business, they are here to make money. |
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